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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:56 AM
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I'd like to learn how to read, write, and speak spanish fluently
It seems to me that there are a lot more employers out there now days seeking people with bilingual skills. I've been wanting to get out of trucking for a while- at least as a trucker. The thing that's keeping me back is that I do not possess a skill that will bring in the kind of money that I need aside from truck driving.

I don't have time for college. What do you think would be a good way to learn spanish otherwise? I eat at a local Mexican restaurant on a regular basis. They kind of know me there and they employ latinos. I was thinking of asking a waiter there if he might know someone who could help me out. I'm thinking I could pay someone an hour a day to educate me in spanish. What do you think?
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:05 AM
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1. I've heard that the Rosetta Stone software is good
A co-worker is using this and has said good things. I can't vouch for it personally, but he said it focuses on conversational speaking. BUT... it's rather pricey!

http://www.rosettastone.com/

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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:31 AM
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2. I've tried 2 different kinds of software
with minimal results. Yeah, I know some words and even some complete sentences in spanish, but I couldn't communicate to anyone in a meaningful way in spanish.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:10 AM
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10. That level of skill requires immersion...
for many people. It sounds like you know the language...you're just not fluent on recall. We used to use a number of techniques in my college workstudy job (I was the computer-tech/docent in the language lab). Try these in combination with a learning program:

-Watch Spanish-language films (Pan's Labyrinth, El Crimen del Padre Amaro, Y Tu Mama Tambien were all very good IMO. Also anything directed by Pedro Almodovar.) and watch them with the subtitles on. You'll find as you're learning the language, you'll go to the subtitles less. Also, if you have a favorite movie on DVD (I used Fight Club), one you know most of the dialogue to in English, turn on the Spanish language track.

-Books with Spanish on one page and English on the other. Read the Spanish side and if you get stuck on a word or sentence, read the English page. Keep a Spanish dictionary handy. Don't jump into the classics, they're harder to read...we used to have a large collection of two-language "pulp" novels. ("Bad" romance novels, detective stories, horror stories, etc.) They sell them at most decent-sized chain bookstores.

-Alright this is going to sound funny and I don't suggest doing it in public...you've got to work on recall of words and ideas otherwise you'll forget and the easiest way is to talk to yourself out-loud in Spanish. Really. It memory imprints through repetition so make sure your grammar and word choice is correct and don't say the same things over and over. The trick is to train your brain to communicate in that language, not to memorize phrases.

-Find a native-speaker who is patient and willing to work with you and plan a weekly lunch "date" to work on conversation skills. Expect that you will make mistakes, a lot of them and don't get discouraged.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:35 AM
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14. +1 to this, and a no-brainer, buy a spanish-english dictionary
and i've been using the Rosetta Stone (Portuguese), and while it has been pricey, the foundation it lays down is pretty strong...granted, unlike the ads, you won't be fluent after one week or even a few months, but the building blocks get set in place without you even realizing it...

FWIW i've been using Rosetta since April - almost finished with level 1
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:27 PM
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16. Harry Potter y la Piedra Filosifal
:bounce:
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:50 PM
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18. Public LIbrary
My public library in Arlington, Va has Rosetta Stone available online for free. Check yours.
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:36 AM
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3. I'm sure you can audit
classes at your local college. Heck . . . even take it for credit if you like.

Good luck!
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:41 AM
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4. I simply do not have the time for college
I work 11 to 12 hours a day and my schedule can be unpredictable. In the winter it's not uncommon for me to be out 15 hours. Then I have a half hour drive to and from work. I literally can't schedule a same time every day kind of class. I'd end up missing a lot.
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:57 AM
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8. With your schedule then
maybe you should audit classes. Attend when you can. Best way to learn a language is through course work and practice, taking every opportunity to speak the language.

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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:45 AM
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5. can you listen to spanish lessons or radio
while working. IIRC you are a trucker right? So perhaps some audio in the cab would be helpful. And try out what you are learing on the employees at the restaurant. They will appreciate you making an effort.

Good luck Droopy!

:hi:
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:48 AM
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6. IMO, it's best to get the foundation in academic courses and then get your speaking skills

through real life practice.

Also, IME, to get someone to teach a foreign language on an individual basis, unless the two of you work with lesson plans and/or books, it's easy to just waste time and accomplish nothing. BTDT.

There's no quick and easy way to learn a foreign language.

Is it possible you can take an online class? That way you could jump on it whenever you had some free time.





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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:51 AM
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7. Yes, I've tried the quick and easy ways and I know they don't work
as I mentioned up-thread.

What foreign languanges do you speak and how long did it take for you to learn them?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:39 AM
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12. I'll PM you. nt
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:09 AM
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9. Move to a spansh speaking country and get a girlfriend
But not Cuba. Cuban accent is like Scottish.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:24 AM
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11. I took Spanish for 2 trimesters in a community college -
and I recommend that approach. It does take time, but look how long Palin has been speaking English, and she still doesn't understand it.
My 10-week courses were very intense - I was dreaming in Spanish after 2 weeks.
La Professora told us if we missed 3 classes, drop and try again - there was no way to make up that much materiel.
We spoke no English at all after the third class day.

It took time, but it was the best language course I ever had.

mark
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:54 AM
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13. Immerse yourself in Spanish.
Watch Spanish TV, read Spanish newspapers, etc.

I can read Spanish pretty well, and one trick is to read an English newspaper, then read the same story in a Spanish newspaper.

Spanish TV is also helpful, particularly the news shows, for developing an ear for it.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:21 PM
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15. Couple suggestions:
Rosetta stone, and www.livemocha.com :)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:48 PM
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17. Spanish TV is available in most cities
When I first went to Japan, I had a good book knowledge of Japanese as well as survival skills, but I didn't know the colloquial stuff or understand how the levels of politeness function on a practical level. Before I went, I received two excellent suggestions: 1) My grad school adviser told me to be sure that I had a TV, even a cheapo black and white one, and kept it on the whole time I was awake. If possible, I should find a drama series that was just starting and make sure not to miss an episode. 2) A fellow student suggested that I read Japanese comic books, because they are the only places where Japanese is written out exactly as it is spoken, complete with slang, low-class pronunciations, and exclamations.

Both were excellent suggestions.

Before you do either, though, go to the foreign language section of a large bookstore and see if you can find a Spanish workbook for adult learners. There are about six different series, and some even comes with CDs. The ones with two or three volumes are probably best.

Once you've worked through these--or while you're working through them--start watching Spanish TV with the closed captioning on. Yes, closed captioning works just as well for Spanish as for trying to understand obscure British country accents on Masterpiece Theatre. You won't understand everything. You'll never understand EVERYTHING, but gradually you'll understand more and more, and finally you'll understand ENOUGH.

Watch the news programs, because unlike Japanese, where news is one of the hardest things to understand, Spanish is descended from Latin, and Latin is the source of much of the political and economic vocabulary of English. Besides, if you watch the news on a U.S.-based Spanish station, you'll be hearing the Spanish version of news that you already know in English.

I don't know if you have access to Spanish comic books, because I've never looked for them, but if your work takes you to the Southwest, try to find a Spanish-language bookstore. You may be able to find Spanish magazines in any large city.

Watch movies made in Spanish speaking countries. If you have a Netflix subscription, look under Foreign. They have subcategories for different languages and different countries, and you could fill up a whole queue with films from Spain, Mexico, Argentina, and Cuba, and occasionally other countries, although these four are the biggest film producers. Watch with the closed caption.

If you have HBO, that includes HBO Latino, which will give you treats such as The Sopranos dubbed in Spanish.

All these are good for your passive knowledge, but for active knowledge, you need to SPEAK. Every place I've lived has had informal Spanish conversation circles sponsored by the public library or other community institutions. The good thing about them is that you can drop in whenever your schedule allows it.

The key for learning to speak is not to be afraid. My best language students ever were from Malaysia, because it's a multilingual, multi-ethnic country, and everyone of every ethnic group learns Malay and English in school and probably speaks still another language at home, usually Chinese or some south Indian language such as Tamil or Telegu. Malaysians therefore have no fear of foreign languages.

My Malaysian students started trying to talk to me in Japanese after Lesson 3. They were the only students who would try to speak Japanese to me if they saw me on campus. They had the right idea: Do your best, and if you don't know how to say something, improvise instead of giving up. Most Japanese people are just the opposite. They're so terrified of making a mistake that they end up tongue-tied.

If you live in an area with lots of Spanish speakers, eventually you will run across situations in which some Spanish-speaking person asks you for directions. I used to have this happen all the time on the West Coast, and eventually I asked my department chair's wife, who had a graduate degree in Spanish, why this would be, since I'm pale and blue-eyed and not an obvious Spanish speaker. Her theory was that I looked as if I wouldn't bite a person's head off for not speaking English.

Anyway, if you encounter Spanish-speaking people who don't speak English well, try speaking Spanish to them. They'll be glad to have an Anglo they can communicate with, however basically, and you'll have a chance to practice, because after all, isn't that the point, to communicate with people?

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:56 PM
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19. Move to South Texas
You will be immersed in Spanish.

Anywhere South of Falfurrias, you're in Spanish Texas.

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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 08:42 PM
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21. Oh, si. Since moving to San Antonio, me hablar mucho espanol.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 10:27 PM
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23. Muy bonito!
Me halaga saber.

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 11:00 PM
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26. Houston has recently gone majority Hispanic.
San Antonio has always been majority Hispanic.


I went to college there and got my BA. Lived there three years.

One of my Hispanic friends got his brother to teach me the bad words!!

His brother would say "pendejo" and I would repeat "pendejo", not knowing what i was saying, and they would laugh their butts off!!!!

So at least I learned what NOT to say!!!

With yard guys and various Hispanic workers, just saying "Buenos dias" and "mucho gusto" helps A LOT. They appreciate the effort if you know just a few basic greetings.

I took Latin and Spanish in high school. About ten years ago I took some Italian.

Latin is a GREAT foundation for many things.


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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 11:06 PM
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27. Next time, reply Cazuela!
It's the polite reply.

Cazuela = cooking pot.

Cazuela is a synonym for bandeja.

Bandeja is a homonym for Pendeja.


It is a way to say you understood the insult, but you do not reply in kind, because of politness.

:hi:
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 07:36 PM
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20. Livemocha is good. Logon when you have time and find a partner
who knows spanish but wants to learn english.
you can use each other to practice on
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littlebit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:07 PM
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22. My ex taught me.
She started out teaching me a few words and before it was over with I could have conversations with her grandmother. I think speaking it everyday is easier than trying to learn through software. It was for me anyway. Being able to speak spanish has helped a lot. Especially with some of the places I deliver to.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 10:38 PM
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24. lots of good suggestions here. I'd emphasize
listening to the language whenever you can. If you drive and spend long hours behind the wheel, listen to Spanish radio, maybe Spanish books on tape, whatever. Part of it is just getting the feel of the language, the flow, the cadence, etc. When you have some non-driving time, try to build your vocabulary - even just nouns and simple verbs so you can start stringing together sentences.

The guys at the local Mexican place we frequent love it if we try to speak Spanish. I'm sure you can find someone there, too, who would be willing to tutor you on a weekly or daily basis.

There might be some good online resources - streaming Spanish talk radio, etc.

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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 10:45 PM
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25. If I remember you are a local driver
I'd say the best way to really learn it is to take a class at the community college, but as you take the class dive into the culture. I've forgotten most of the Spanish I learned in FL, but it comes back if I dive in.

Watch spanish news. They talk slow and clear.. unless they are of some fast talkin spanish dialect.

I hope you do it. It's cool to know what ppls are saying :)

:hi:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 11:21 PM
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28. Date a woman who only speaks Spanish.
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