Why are people dissin' my Christian beliefs all of a sudden?

[Armand]

Is it because of that "Passion" movie? Is it because of a few RW assholes who make all of us Christians look bad?

Can someone please give me answers?

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Those are 2

[arwalden]

2. "Hate The Beliefs Love The Believer"

:hi:

[Fenris]

24. Is that you in that avatar, Alan?

:)

[Lars39]

3. If it's truly offensive in a way that goes against the DU rules,

alert on the post and let the mods handle it. I think I know the post you're talking about. It's over the top.

[Armand]

8. It's not just one post, I'm afraid.

It's many.

[Intelsucks]

9. There have been plenty that were over the top

I have been reading this stuff for two days, and it appears to me that it's open season on Christians and Christianity.

I'm not an "alert button" kind of person though. I have kept my silence.

[Skittles]

4. BECAUSE WE ARE SICK OF HAVING RELIGION SHOVED AT US

I mean, it is EVERYWHERE. I cannot get AWAY from it.

[arwalden]

7. Kick Some Ass!!!

[Armand]

10. Where do you see religion being shoved at you?

No one is forcing it upon you, right?

[Skittles]

12. THEY SHOW UP AT MY DOORSTEP

THEY CALL ME; THEY TELL ME I AM A SINNER ON BILLBOARDS AT CHURCHES. I AM SICK OF THEM. NOW THEY WANT TO AMEND THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION. I AM F***ING SICK OF THEM.

[Armand]

17. Ignore them.

Simple as that.

[Skittles]

19. IT'S HARD TO IGNORE PEOPLE WHO WON'T GO AWAY

no matter how many times I tell them I'm not interested in their *censored* they just DON'T GIVE UP. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[Armand]

27. Heh. I slam doors in faces of people who come.

[chiburb]

32. That's very Christian of you...n/t

.

[Armand]

39. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I follow the Bible to a T.

Hell...I believe and that's all. I don't read the Bible. I don't go to church. I don't do any of that other crap that everyone expects us Christians to do.

I just want people to show a little respect for my religion and religious beliefs instead of cutting it down all the time.

[jus_the_facts]

43. well we ALL feel that way about something....repukes get that a LOT...

....so do us DEMS...what goes around comes around or some such! :(

[chiburb]

47. Like you show the same respect to those that ring your bell?

.

[Armand]

56. I haven't dissed anyone else yet, have I?

No.

[Skittles]

98. do unto others

I actually follow that. I politely tell them I am not interested.

[arwalden]

38. Hard to "ignore" scripture-based LAWS

... you know... the ones that are selectively enforced to keep the homos from getting too visible and too uppity.

-- Allen

[Skittles]

99. begone, ye uppity homo!

:7

[arwalden]

102. I REBUKE Ye!!

:hi:

[RebelOne]

87. I know, I know. I have the same problem.

I live in Georgia, the Bible Belt. When I tell them I'm an atheist, they want to come back and talk to me. You can't get rid of them.

[Heyo]

95. Maybe it's just me....

...but I have never.... ever... a single time in my whole life... ever had any type or religious person knock on my door, call my house, come up to me on the street and preach to me, anything like that.... and there's been plenty of chances for any of those things.

Heyo

[Skittles]

104. LOL

you don't live in Texas

[arwalden]

33. Classroom, Courtroom, Boardroom, Sporting Events,

Government events, amending the constitution, determining my familial status, criminalizing my sexuality, TV, radio... enough, enough, ENOUGH already!! Falwell, Robertson, the Pope... are they religious leaders or politicians?

-- Allen

[Armand]

41. Like I said in my main post:

It's a few bad apples who are spoiling it for the rest of us.

[arwalden]

51. I Think You've Already Figured It Out. You Seem To Be Aware That...

the anger is NOT directed at you personally, but at that segment of fundamentalist christians who choose to behave badly.

Knowing that, why would you feel personally attacked? Perhaps that's NOT how you feel... but that's how it appears to be. I can think of no other reason for you to start this thread unless you did feel that way.

-- Allen

[Armand]

65. I saw a few posts in GD that had hatred towards ALL Christians...

not just toward a few.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

92. as an aside

if it makes you feel any better my gf is episcopalian and i am atheist...we mock each others beliefs constantly but love each other...


i think we are all just upset for various reasons..the bush admin is doing things that are cruel and unchristian..its making us all very cranky


:toast:

[Armand]

96. Heh. I've been cranky since December of 2000.

[Skittles]

101. AMEN, ARMAND

that we can ALL agree on. :D

[Skittles]

100. IT'S NO LONGER JUST A FEW, ARMAND

NOW THEY WANT TO AMEND THE CONSTITION. THEY ARE AFFECTING THE WAY WE LIVE.

[ProfessorGAC]

103. Then YOU Should Go Talk To Those Bad Apples

And tell them to quit giving you a bad name. I'm not going to talk to that ilk. They can all go live in a cave somewhere for all i care.

I don't want to hear them, see them, and i certainly don't want them having any special political sway. But, right now, they do. It's not acceptable.

It's not about christianity. It's about charlatanism and people like that having an extra political voice. That's what angers me.

If you don't like people like me being angry about it, and it's because of a few right wing bad apples, then it should be your duty to go tell them to shut up. They're not making me look bad. They're making me sick.
The Professor

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. yes they do shove it our faces

all the time..today morning guy on train reading the leviticus on how homosexuals are damned for fucking enternity ...wtf do i care i am hindu or atheist depending on the year....then the constitutional amendment issues...then passion

your religion is one of the most powerful influences...i believe that if Jesus Christ did exist he was a good man however his followers are driving me INSANE

thats probably where you are getting these posts from...


Ps: hopefully i havent posted anything that has upset you...and i am not justifying doing so..just letting you know that we do get religion shoved in our faces a LOT

[INTELBYTES]

That's a load of crap!

We can't get away from secularism in our Christianity.

[arwalden]

45. LOL

"Stop it! Stop it! I can't get away from secularism!! I'm going to go to hell... all this secularism!! AAAAH!"

[Champion Jack]

30. I agree with Skittles

[INTELBYTES]

37. Yeah, yeah, you got your chocolate on my peanutbutter.

[Rainbowreflect]

57. But all these threads about it are not going to help you get avoid it.

I usually just do go to threads I feel will offend me.

[TXlib]

66. Freedom of/from religion

I feel that freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, in the sense that laws should not be based on religious dogma.

I don't have a problem with people proselytising on a street corner, or expressing their views any other reasonable way, so long as they respect my right not to listen.

[seethrougheyes]

68. doesn't mean....

you have to read it. There are MANY topics in this message forum...pick and choose. Just because you feel that you are having it shoved at you doesn't give you the right to put someone down because of their beliefs. Like I say, don't read it!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. i mean this non-aggressively

but exactly what do you mean when you say "Why are people dissin' my Christian beliefs all of a sudden"?

[Armand]

11. It means "Why are people saying bad things and cutting down

my religious beliefs all of a sudden?"

[jus_the_facts]

52. because it is being used to DIVIDE......US.....

....why is that so hard to understand....that's what it's always been used for..this is not all of a sudden? :shrug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Your beliefs are fine with me as long as the old addage is enforced

"My right to swing my fist ends where your chin begins"

[Gman]

18. Well said

and agreed. I for one don't want someone else's beliefs shoved in my face in an attempt to shove them down my throat.

I am an active Catholic. I teach CCD on Sunday morning. I know very well what I believe. Frankly I have a very healthy dislike of fundamentalist protestant so-called "christians" who choose to ignore the Beatitudes and perform idol worship for anything with the 10 Commandments written on it and like attitudes.

[jus_the_facts]

13. it's not all of a sudden...people have dissed *christian* beliefs for....

....as long as they've existed...it's common fightin' ground and has been for millinnea....guess nobody ever gets USED to it or gets too many ANSWERS or it wouldn't be such a divisive assinine issue!x(

[Armand]

15. It's taken off exponentially ever since "Passion" has come out.

The belief dissin'.

[jus_the_facts]

22. welcome to the 21st century Armand...it's NEWS 24/7/365....

...the media will PRO and CON ya till you wanna dance RIGHT INTO THE FIRE!! :evilfrown:

[chiburb]

29. Yes, and new members have shown up exponentially...

Since then too. Perhaps to proselytize? Worm their ways into DU to convert the heathens?

[Armand]

34. Are you implying that I'm one of those people?

[chiburb]

42. Well, what do you mean by "all of a sudden" in your OP?

If you've only been here two days, how do you know they haven't been dissin' your religion for years?

[Armand]

53. I've been reading the DU for a year and a half.

"Top 10 Conservative Idiots of the Week" is what kept me hooked. Oh, and not to mention Mike Malloy. Great man he is. :thumbsup:

I haven't seen anyone majorly rippin' on Christians until Monday, when "Passion" came out.

[jus_the_facts]

64. the issue of religion has been beat like a dead horse here in that time...

....so much so a BAN was put on starting threads about it....THAT must be why you've not seen any of it....guess it's time to put another *death to religion threads* at DU!! :eyes:

[Intelsucks]

I saw it happen numerous times yesterday.

If you believe here, you are a fundy. I'm disappointed at the mods over this, as hard as their job is. It is a blatant violation of DU rules.

[Armand]

89. I'd have to agree.

I'm tired of arguing.

[Intelsucks]

91. You'll never win. You won't change anyone's mind.

n/t

[Loonman]

14. Just grin and bear it, dude

I put up a thread months and months ago about Gibson's movie, and because folks could not behave themselves, it got locked.

Being reactionary and biased is not strictly a Repub/Conserv trait, as I'm sure you have now noticed.

[INTELBYTES]

35. I know what you mean...

I started a "pro" Passion thread in the GD this morning. Within 5 minutes it got moved by the mods to no-mans land in the meeting room. Yet the one that says "Why the Passion makes me afraid" has 85 hits and counting in the GD. It's a double standard to be sure.

[DrWeird]

16. Is anybody really "dissing" your beliefs?

Or do you consider sacrelige and heresay personal attacks?

[pagerbear]

21. My question exactly

Are they dissing you personally for stated beliefs, or are they dissing beliefs you hold dear?

[Armand]

23. Some examples:

"The Bible is a bunch of myths."

"The Bible is a book of fairy tales and bedtime stories."

"Jesus was a propagandist."

Oh, and my personal favorite:

"Holy rollers are destroying the Earth."

[DrWeird]

50. But the Bible is a bunch of myths.

Creation was a myth, obviously.

Noah's ark was a myth, and clearly derived from older mesopotamian myths.

Moses parting the red sea is a myth.

It's possible that Moses leading the slaves out of Egypt is a myth, as there is no Egyptian historical account.

Jonah and the Whale is a myth.

The Tower of Babel is a myth.

Jesus healing the lepers and walking on water is a myth.

Sounds like a book of fairy tales and bedtime stories to me.

Now as for: "Jesus was a propagandist," I don't agree with that or understand the context in which it was said. But it's a perfectly valid opinion. I or anybody else can say what they want to about Jesus. It's not like christians have a patent and copyright out on Jesus. He's in the public domain.

"Holy Rollers are destroying the earth." I agree. We've got Bush denying civil rights and bombing the shit out of the world. We've got Osama bin Laden. Pat Robertson's got diamond mines and machete weilding killers.

Frankly, none of this is an attack on you, and if you can't stand people disagreeing with you, maybe you should go back to your inner chamber to pray.

[RebelOne]

93. You are right.

My daddy told me that the Bible was a collection of contemporary novels of those times.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

58. Well, people believe that. You believe otherwise. That's Democracy.

[alittlelark]

62. I was raised Catholic

As I got older I bit from the 'tree of knowledge' - so be it. I have no problem with religious people.
My best friend is a methodist. They are mellow, and keep their religion in their hearts.
My mother is a pharisee ie: wears her religion as a shroud, and attempts to convert everyone into her evangelical church/temple (it's a Jews for Jesus thing).
Jesus did not put up with pharisees
I have had many people offer me tracts and books in an attempt to convert me. One of these days I will print up a leaflet to hand to these people in an attempt to convert them to Atheism.

As for 'Holy rollers are destroying the earth' - Yes, many of them are. These 'born again' oil tycoons are making billions off of 'fossil fuels' that would not exist unless dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, yet they believe the earth is only 6000 years old!!?

The Armageddon lobby is entrenched, and quite scary

[La Lioness Priyanka]

69. about the bible being a myth

do you consider statements from other religions myths:

have you heard about the ramayana and the mahabharata? do you consider these text epics or the truth...

how about the Koran..gods word or human word? how do you feel about this?


to those of us who are not religious or belong to a different religion the bible is not god's words . thats just a product of having different gods.

[Armand]

78. I can't say anything about those other religions.

I don't know enough about them to comment.

But...at least I have tolerance for people who have beliefs and values they hold dear to them...instead of cutting them down like nothings and calling thier beliefs "myths".

[DrWeird]

85. But isn't it a basic christian belief

that those other people are evil and their going to be punished forever in the afterlife because they believed those myths?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

86. look i sympatize with you

but ask yourself this "do you really believe the Koran is gods word"

if the answer is no, then why do you expect us to believe in the Bible...to some the bible is gods words to others its not

both should have the freedom to express them so long as it is civil

[Snow]

90. You may be missing a point here - myths are valuable,

they hold our cultural memories, give us guidance, admonitions, the whole lot. And there's almost always something factual at the bottom. Look at the Homer tales, or King Arthur, or even Gilgamesh. The Korean Tangun story is a little too weird, but most of the myths are worth keeping, worth telling around fires to the youngsters by the oldsters, worth understanding. The word should not be taken, although it is often, to mean 'worthless pack of lies'. But - we non-bible followers have problems with the bible-followers' claims that their mythology is true in detail and superior to other myths. Does that make sense? Does it still strike you as offensive?

[BiggJawn]

70. But at least nobody's promoting a MOVIE about those statements...

ARE they?

You don't like people "dissing" your beliefs.
I don't like people telling me I'm going to spend an un-proven "eternity" in a mythical place called "Hell" because of my LACK of beliefs.

Oh, well, sucks to be us, doesn't it?

Have you ever read Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World", and if not, why not? I have read your Bible, indeed I studied it.

If your faith is strong, you have nothing to fear of either Sagan, me or the rest of the Sceptics in this world.

[FreeperSlayer]

20. If it works for you....

...by all means go for it! Believe away! But please, keep it away from we "brights".
The Invisible Cloud Being, The Son with superhero powers, and their sidekick, The Flying Ghost, should be kept to yourselves.

[Armand]

25. The same should apply to the nonbelievers.

Keep your atheism to yourself.

[FreeperSlayer]

31. Uh, we do

[INTELBYTES]

40. High Five on that one Armand!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lars39]

48. Most atheists do, the consequences of coming out as a non-believer

are devastating.

[alittlelark]

67. I have yet to be upset at someone for not accepting Atheism

It does not matter to me

[arwalden]

71. Those Door-To-Door Atheists Are A Real PAIN... aren't they?

[chiburb]

73. Just slam the door in their faces!

Like good Christian Armand does!

Quote: I don't read the Bible. I don't go to church. I don't do any of that other crap that everyone expects us Christians to do.

Seems Armand might offend some Christians with his comment that calls bible-reading and church-going "crap"...

Can't even stay in character...

[arwalden]

81. Here... Read This... We Want You To Come To Our Atheist Church

and perform Atheist sacraficial rituals on small animals and virgins. We DEMAND that you allow us to set up our altar in the routunda of your courthouse buildings. Fair is fair.

-- Allen

[La Lioness Priyanka]

74. why should we?

no one is openly saying that you should follow atheism but just pointing out why they do not think the bible is literally true?

i personally do not think any religious text is literally gods words. but you have the right to believe otherwise and state that as well

[Armand]

80. Well...if you were to look at that person's post...

he/she told me to not talk about my beliefs. So I asked him/her why shouldn't nonbelievers keep their mouths shut too? I mean...I'm being fair here, arent' I?

[chiburb]

83. Yes, and you're building your post count nicely too...

[INTELBYTES]

105. Hey, what's wrong with beefing up your post counts?

Oops, there's another one for me!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

88. yes you are

you cannot preach but you can certainly state you believe in god..the same way i can say that i dont...

[arwalden]

I Smell Hypocrisy

From those who want the atheists to shut up and keep it to themselves, yet they feel compelled to witness and convert and judge others. Better yet, they try to incorporate Biblical Law into US Law.

Hypocrisy is not pretty.

-- Allen

[Armand]

82. I'm not being a hypocrite...

I was just replying to post #20. He told me to keep my mouth shut about my beliefs...so I asked him why couldn't he keep his shut too?

[LynneSin]

26. I'm a Christian and I don't see it like that

I think they are dissing fundies which I highly doubt that you are. I don't think Jesus would be keen about a movie that is as graphically violent as what was described by those who have seen "The Passion" He also wouldn't be too happy about us blaming anyone for his death, I mean the guy was suppose to die on that day I don't think it matter who did it. You can't blame Jews or Romans - blame God, he put Jesus in that position in the first place

[Armand]

28. Obviously you haven't been reading in GD.

[LynneSin]

36. I try not to wander in there if I don't have to

:shrug:

Didn't you get the warning????!!!!

[Armand]

44. Uh...warning?

Maybe it's too late....?

[INTELBYTES]

46. Armand, I find the civility in the Lounge compared to the GD....

night and day. In the Lounge you have people intelligent enough to carry on a civilized discussion. The G.D. is full of a bunch of rabid dogs ready to tear up anything that doesn't fit in their tightly defined world.

[Armand]

49. Heh...I guess I got the warning late, eh?

:(

[TXlib]

72. This is why...

I tend to post issues that more properly belong in GD in the Lounge, instead.

[INTELBYTES]

54. "They will hate you in My name"

Don't forget that scripture Armand. That's the reason they are "dissin" your religion.

[Armand]

60. Thanks, IntelBytes.

[arwalden]

84. But They Must Remember To Hate, Persecute, And Kill Them First.

(Only kill if necessary. Torture is best. Believe or perish SINNERS!) :hi:

-- Allen

[reprehensor]

55. Have you seen these articles?

I think you are partly right, it is a backlash against extreme RWs and you are being caught up in the dissin'.

Check out this article:

The Despoiling of America
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

and this

George Bush & the Treacherous Country
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=51033

and this

Walter Cronkite - The Most Christian of Values
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/8017170.htm

[Armand]

63. That's all I want people to know..

that a few fundie right-wing assholes are the ones who give us Christians a bad name. I just want people to know that some of us Christians actually care about the poor...weak...and oppressed.

Thanks for the articles. I'll bookmark them and check them out later.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

79. we do know this

but we also know that a large majority of christians do not want us fags and dykes to get married...its against god...a god we may/may not believe this...its pisses us off...in my position would you not be pissed off?

[WilliamPitt]

61. How about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x401465

[DrWeird]

75. Didn't read the whole thing, but..,

why'd you post it in GD Primary?

I never would have seen it there.

[chiburb]

76. Forget it. Pearls before swine...

[chiburb]

77. Agree with the Dr...

Maybe post it in E&A?

[Misinformed01]

94. No one on DU has ever dissed my Christian beliefs

in three years or so.

However, I have been so rude to and about fundies, anti-choicers, and anti Gay marriage rights folks, that some people here may have mistaken me for an athiest.

Who knows?

[muffin_man]

97. I don't see

a difference in what Christians do and what political activist do. i mean door to door,phone calls,influence policy,force their idea of what is best on everyone else.I know their "forced ideas" are quite different but still I think their tactics are similar.I don't see anything wrong w/ either. I just respect their right to do it. I do think Christians for the most part are treated here at DU like a DUer would be at "free repub".You don't agree w/ their ideas so you hate for them to be expressed. I would doubt any Christian on DU would attempt to "force" anything on anyone.