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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:36 PM
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I saw the Passion...
It was an extra credit assignment at my Catholic high school. Yes, it was violent and at times hard to watch. I am not sure if the story of Jesus is real, or if there really is a God, and to be honest I don't think it matters. However I came away with this from the film...

True leaders in this world are supposed to be willing to suffer and die in order to stand up for the lowliest in society. In America, this certainly isn't the case. We have the richest of the rich in charge looking out for the other rich folks. Jesus (even if looked at as just a character) stood up for the poor, sick, and homeless. When will a leader emerge in this country that is willing to do the same? Maybe never. We will continue to waste money and manpower in the hunt for oil instead of helping those in our own backyard.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:39 PM
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1. That's what is so sickening about these right wingers..

Tthere is nothing Christian about them. They are power hungry psychopaths who use Christianity as a tool to gain more money and power off of the backs of the poor.

They are the reason I am against Christianity in general.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:42 PM
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3. Visit the Christian page of my site so you have ammo
against the right-wingers. They hate it when you point out the Bible tells you to pay your taxes. Don't care for the feed the poor stuff either. *g*
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:11 PM
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9. So, by analogy,
if someone from another country said "right wing Americans have perverted the American ideal, which is why I am against all Americans and why I now hate America," you'd agree with that sentiment?

To allow one view of Christianity to tarnish your view of all Christians is just as narrow-minded.

The reality is that there are millions of caring, compassionate, non-judgmental Christians who do feed the poor, reach out to the marginalized, support peace and justice, offer love and grace, and support all kinds of liberal causes. They don't get as much publicity or the same kind of exposure as the right-wing does, primarily because anyone who tends to see shades of gray and wants to consider the ambiguity of context is usually not capable of speaking in the sound bites that the media want.

The voices are in many places, many churches, web sites, periodicals, and journals, throughout this country. So to say that the right wing has turned you against Christianity as a whole is to deliberately blind yourself to a whole different group of people who call themselves Christians.

I always thought "liberal" meant "willing to consider other possibilities." I rarely see that in this forum when it comes to tolerance or knowledge about the WHOLE of the Christian family.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:05 AM
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11. Well, that isn't the only reason I am against Christianity...


Basically, I am an atheist and I think anyone that thinks they know who God is/was is lying to themselves.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:41 PM
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2. You are wise beyond your years dear one..
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 09:43 PM by nini
I'm impressed with your insight and you are so right.

on edit: I checked your profile.. you live in the OC? do you go to Mater dei? I'm in the Torrance area.. just wondering and if you'd rather not answer I understand.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:57 PM
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5. Yeah I definitely live in Orangutan County
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 09:57 PM by One of the Few
I am a Junior at Servite High School in Anaheim.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:03 PM
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6. is Servite still an all boys school?
Did Loretta Sanchez cause a stir there recently or something?

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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:09 PM
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7. Servite
is still all boys :(

Well, Loretta did show up at our 45th anniversary mass and was mentioned as being present. I don't think she caused a stir. Some idiots booed her, but the "few" OC dem kids there gave loud applause. Most of the kids at my school are from Yorba Linda and North County, not really representing Sanchez's district. I believe she covers the Anaheim/Garden Grove area, where the dem stronghold of OC is centered. Cheers
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:10 PM
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8. oh by the way
Did you read an article or something about Loretta causing a stir??? I'd be interested to read the distortion.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:17 PM
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15. no article.. a friend said she heard she was at Servite and said
talked about abortion. I think since she did this at LMU a while ago and it pissed people off. So, now she will be pinned with that everytime she gets near a Catholic school. Someone must have heard there were boos and as the story got told, it escalated into linking it to the LMU thing.

if I find an article I'll let you know.
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Blayde Starrfyre Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:53 PM
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4. Good point
Definitely a point there. One of the ways I think you can interpret the story of Jesus' crucifixition is as an allegory warning about what happens when you combine church and state. This also is reflected in the "give to Caesar" story, which means those phony right wing Churches should revoke their tax exempt status.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:25 PM
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10. Best review I've seen yet!
Gad, I wish I had been as smart and perceptive as you when I was in high school. I'd even settle for some of that now. Bravo!

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:36 AM
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12. i like your social distortion sig pic (off topic)
they are one of my top 5 favorite bands. I have the t-shirt with that exact image on it. :toast:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:37 AM
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13. But did you come away with a seething hatred for Jewish people?
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:54 AM
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14. I sent my friend your review, and he came back with these comments
that rather mirror your own:

Why are so many Americans affected by the movie “The Passion of the Christ?” Could it be that many of us have built neat little walls around our emotions? Why isn’t it OK to weep over all the civilians killed in Afghanistan by US forces? Why are we not allowed to cry as the city of Baghdad is bombed in a "shock and awe" campaign that killed countless civilians and forced so many human beings, from infant to adult, to suffer the horrors of the bombs, the shaking ground, the ear-shattering explosions and the deaths or dismemberment of family and friends? Are we afraid that if we feel emotion over something like that maybe there is something wrong with us? Like we're not patriotic, or we're weak, or something? Why do we ignore the millions of people who starve to death around the world? Why not share a little of our food with them before they die of hunger? Maybe if we do it right we will find a way not to overeat to the point of endangering our own lives. Why are we as a nation the most medicated people on the face of the earth, tens of millions of us taking antidepressants and countless other drugs to just make it though the day? I do believe some people have such good souls they need medication to cope, but for many people, it is just a way to avoid reality. So then, maybe it’s OK to cry over a fake Christ, covered in fake blood enduring fake suffering 'cause gosh, it’s just a movie. The whole Passion-movie-thing allows people to take down the emotional wall for a couple of hours, which in some cases may be only time in a lifetime when some people actually have felt strong emotion and empathy. Maybe while the walls are down people should keep them down for a couple of extra hours to take a look around at all the real suffering in the world, suffering that need not be if people would simply follow a few of the teachings of the real Christ. Yes, it is hard to love one's enemy, to share with those less fortunate, to turn the other cheek or to forgive those who have harmed us, but these things are the real message of Christ, the message of Christ is not contained in some gratuitously gruesome movie about the crucifixion. Reality is painful, but without reality, one misses the best parts of living.

Don’t be like Barbara Bush, wife of President George Herbert Walker Bush and mother of George W. Bush who recently stated: “But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Oh, I mean, it's, not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”

I think Christ wanted us to use our beautiful minds to do something to stop the body bags, the hunger, the suffering. Humans have free will, at least for now, so we can each choose to escape reality or we can be part of reality, and work with others to make the world a better place for everyone. And we must do this soon, there is truly only so long humans can ignore the sufferings of other humans and other creatures on this planet before the suffering, the catastrophe, the starvation and environmental devastation become universal. We have the ability to help, not to hinder, if we just can open up a little and take a clear look around and decide to DO SOMETHING.
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