Well, to all that were mortified that, a few days ago, I called...

[LeftyFingerPop]

Sarah Palin a bad mother for leaving her baby to work after 3 days...to those who called me "sexist"...

Take a look at how she held that baby like it was a sack of potatoes tonight.

The mere fact that she even had her son exposed to the lights and noise in that hall makes me sick.

So I will say it again...she is a fucking bad mother.

[SeattleGirl]

1. From what I've read and heard about her, her political ambitions trump all.

She's mean spirited, vindictive, and just plain nasty.

[LeftyFingerPop]

2. Did you notice her "snarl"?

She has a mean spirit. And I am furious that she used her son as a prop.

[SeattleGirl]

3. Oh, I did indeed.

I didn't have the sound on, as her voice grates on me, just like McSame's does. So I was following it on closed captioning.

I was so angry after that speech, I swear if she were in the same room with me, I would have gob-smacked her good.

[LeftyFingerPop]

4. I wish I had turned the sound down...

but I had an overwhelming curiosity to hear her speech.

I'm sorry I did. I'm going to have trouble sleeping now.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. A female cheney? I didn't watch, couldn't bring myself too.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

5. I thought it was interesting when she made that pit bull joke....

I've met some really sweet pit bulls. I don't think she fits the mold at all.

[LeftyFingerPop]

6. Oh, and for those who assumed that daddy was taking care of the children...

after watching last night, I somehow don't think so. That guy has about 50 irons in the fire. I doubt that he is home much.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. yet you keep mentioning she is a bad mother not that they are bad parents

[LeftyFingerPop]

17. Read my posts...

I talk about the dad too.

Not everything has to do with gender...in my eyes anyway. I guess it does in yours though.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. yeah i guess so too

:sarcasm:

[Zuiderelle]

8. Her proving your words right, don't make it appropriate for you to have said

the things you said, with only the knowledge you had at the time. You made the statements you made based on the FACT that she has a young baby. Her running for VP and that fact alone, made her a bad mother in your eyes.

Don't try to pretend that you knew all that has transpired since. I think we all saw what a horrible person, and yes, bad mother, she was last night. But it does not prove that she's a bad mother simply because of her ambition and her baby. It's everything else that proves that she's a bad mother. Her hateful words and empty promises and claims to things that are outright lies. Her being that bad, lying example for all her children paraded there for her benefit, is what makes her a bad mother.

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. Thank you.

[LeftyFingerPop]

10. The knowledge that I had at the time was this....

1) She left her special needs baby after 3 days.

2) I was 90% sure that her husband was not a stay at home dad.

3) It was apparent that she put her political ambitions above her family.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what kind of person she is, or what kind of person her husband is.

[Zuiderelle]

19. 90% sure her husband was not a stay at home dad, huh? Based on what?

And why would he have to be stay-at-home dad anyway? They could both work, many parents do. They could pay for a Nanny, etc, share the responsibilities, like any two-career family does. And why was it "apparent that she put her political ambitions above her family?" Because of all the other suppositions you made. You still had no basis upon which to judge her the way you did.

And you still base your "bad mommy" judgment on these same things. Base it on her lying, base it on her positions on choice, ANWR, ear-marked funding, her lies, her lies, her lies. Stop basing it on her "leaving" her newborn child. Because with that you are still judging any woman who "leaves" a child to work.

[LeftyFingerPop]

20. I knew he was some kind of champion snow machine racer, and

I knew he was a project manager type in the oil fields.

I also have intuition.

She and her husband have no business having children.

edit:grammar

[Zuiderelle]

21. Now there we go, they have no business having children at all now?

Based on her being a politician and him racing snowmobiles? And of course, on your intuition? I bet you would say that I have no business raising children either, because I'm arguing with you.

[LeftyFingerPop]

22. Who the hell is talking about YOU?

I know not one thing about you, and have no need to know. You are not running for Vice president of my country.

[Zuiderelle]

23. I was making an analogy.

[LeftyFingerPop]

24. It is an improper analogy...

She has opened herself and her family up to scrutiny. She is trying to place herself "one heartbeat" away from the leader of our country.

Her parenting skills matter to me. Her husband's parenting skills matter to me. The decisions they both make in life matter to me.

My opinion is that they place career ambitions over their family. That is a red flag to me.

[Zuiderelle]

26. My analogies are my analogies. Nothing you say can make them "improper"

The bottom line for you is that a woman with a special needs child has no business running for Vice President.

That's why people objected to what you were saying before. And it seems like you aren't saying anything different now. We've all learned a lot about why she has no business running for VP, and it has nothing to do with her being a woman with a special needs baby.

[LeftyFingerPop]

28. I don't care if she has 50 special needs children...

If her and her husband can give their children the love they deserve.

And please, don't presume to tell me what is in my heart.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. well stated

[philosophie_en_rose]

29. Exactly right. Thank you.

Lots of mothers and fathers go to work, even shortly after having a baby with special needs. Sarah Palin is scum, but attacking women that go back to work is disgusting. There are so many reasons to attack her, as you point out.

You made the statements you made based on the FACT that she has a young baby. Her running for VP and that fact alone, made her a bad mother in your eyes.

Yes, he did write that and it's ridiculous. The fact that she has a young baby with special needs does not mean that she has to stay home 24 hours a day to be a good mother. The fact that she's a bad mother for other reasons does not make the original sexist post okay.

[PassingFair]

33. 3 DAYS!!!

I don't know many that go back after 3 days.

I did, but I work from the house, my newborn
was with me 24/7, and I sure as hell didn't
put in a 9 to 5!

There is something WRONG with that lady.

Really.

[philosophie_en_rose]

34. Do you think she really worked that hard or for very long?

:shrug:

[PassingFair]

35. Yes.

Just her exercise and make-up schedules probably
take HOURS.

Those bee-hives don't construct themselves!

I think she would have been a GREAT choice
for the 'pukes -- 4 years from now.

This is a case of VERY BAD TIMING.

[philosophie_en_rose]

30. .

duplicate post.

[southpaw]

11. She uses being a mother as a political tool

She clearly played the 'mother of a special needs child' card in her speech... After line-item vetoing funding for special needs programs!

She's disgusting.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. here i agree wiht you but she is hardly the only one

all candidates parade their children around as political tools. it makes them look more human and relatable.

[LeftyFingerPop]

16. All candidates don't expose a special needs child to the stresses...

of a large convention.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. but she is the only one with a special needs kids. nt

[LeftyFingerPop]

27. By the way that poor child was being passed around last night...

I think he is viewed as a sack of flour, rather than a "special needs child".

[LeftyFingerPop]

15. She's worse than disgusting...

She steps on her children's heads to gain political advantage. To me, she is rotten to the fucking core. Her husband is a real charmer too.

[Bullwinkle925]

31. being a mother of only 1 myself . . .

i certainly don't understand where she is able to have the time to spend maintaining 5 children and wrestling with her *responsibilities* simultaneously.
i worked full-time raising my child - with my husband by my side - and tried as best i could in creating safe,loving environment for my daughter. i didn't have the added stress of running a city or state.
but, that's just me.
and - i am a feminist as well.

having said that - if she can make it work - more power to her.
definitely, however, she is not my pick to be 2nd in command of this nation.
the thought of it really makes me . . . . .

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[mentalsolstice]

32. I once had a teammate at work who had a bay with DS.

She was barely there during the 2 years we worked together. The baby was constantly in the hospital with respiratory infections. And then there were the therapies, language and physical. BTW, the therapists don't do therapy on the baby, the point is to train the parents to do the therapies as they are the primary caregivers of the child. In my co-worker's case, the dad was also taking a lot of time off as well. They both fell behind at work. A baby with DS is extremely time consuming for both parents. Because she and I were totally responsible for our particular project, I ended up working through a bout of mono (didn't get 5 months off), holidays, etc., and I wasn't able to be there for my family when they needed me.

While I can see a mom working at an average job in such a case, I cannot imagine being the VP or POTUS in such a situation, unless you turn all your parental duties over to a couple of nannies. Wonderful, if you can afford that. However, in my eyes it doesn't make you much of a human...not one I'd want making decisions about my life and my fellow citizens.

eta: Palin doesn't seem very well grounded or experienced in what the average American has to sacrifice to take care of their kids and/or elderly parents.