Man sentenced for marrying his 15-year-old cousin and aunt...

[davsand]

It is one 15 year old and she's both his Aunt AND his Cousin...

Can you imagine what THAT family reunion is like?



Man sentenced for marrying his 15-year-old cousin who is also his aunt


Monday, January 26, 2004 Posted: 1:46 PM EST (1846 GMT)

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- A member of Utah's polygamous Kingston clan was sentenced Monday to a year in prison for taking a 15-year-old cousin -- who was also his aunt -- as his wife.

Jeremy Ortell Kingston pleaded guilty to incest in an arrangement with prosecutors. The felony charge will be reduced to a misdemeanor if Kingston successfully completes three years' probation.

Kingston was 24 when he took LuAnn Kingston as his fourth wife in 1995. Family members say he has at least 17 children...

http://www.polygamyinfo.com/plygmedia%2004%2062cnn.htm

Laura

[Wetzelbill]

1. That guy is definitely a Republican and a Bush supporter

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. eesh

gross! yikes! :puke:

[Voice_of_Europe]

3. Stone Age

i imagine it much like Stone Age.
Everybody living in the common cave and not caring who sleeps with whom as long as there is enough food around...

[Skittles]

4. sick bastard

and people who think this kind of marital arrangement is just hunky-dory - SHAME ON YOU.

[Rowdyboy]

5. believe it or not, the last time I commented on

incest, I was told by a DUer that if they were adults and willing it was perfectly acceptable. "Adults have a right to have sex with whomever they wish".

Sorry, its just WAY too sick for me.

[northzax]

10. sure, adults

and frankly, I don't want to know anything about it, but behind closed doors, if you want to knock-boots with sis, that's your fucking problem, as long as you both are adults, and it doesn't start until adulthood. last time I checked, a 15 year old is not an adult

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

6. So much for the "sanctity of marriage"!

[Loonman]

7. Incest: the game the whole family can play

n/t

[Another Bill C.]

8. Here's a thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=804144

[BR_Parkway]

9. You mean they did this BEFORE gay marriage?

and I thought we were the slippery slope that were leading to this type behavior. Oh, that's right, they did it all the way back in the old testament days. Damn, I'm not so special anymore </sarcasm>

[Jack_Dawson]

11. How is that even possible?

A 15 year old Aunt? I'm not getting it. Somebody draw me a picture...it's too early to think.

[nickinSTL]

12. 15 year old aunt

It's not that hard to be a 15 year old aunt.

If you have a brother or sister who's 10 years older than you (which isn't that unusual) who has a kid when they're 25 (hardly a stretch) you can be a 15 year old aunt. Easy.

'course, to be an aunt to a 24 year old requires a much larger age difference between the siblings. I'd say 27 or so, though considering the family involved...could be less.

[Piltdown13]

13. One way would be...

Say there were lots of kids in your mother or father's generation of the family, and your father (for the sake of example) was the oldest of his siblings, with the youngest being 20 years younger than him. If you were his first child, it's possible that you might be older than his youngest sibling, who would be your aunt or uncle. I don't know if that's what happened here, and I still haven't worked out how that aunt could also be your cousin. :-)

[davsand]

14. I wondered about aunt by marriage...

But then I realized that at 15 the child is most likely on a first marriage...

So, one way it could be physically possible (icky but possible) would be if his (The groom, I'll call him for simplicity's sake) Grandfather married one of his own female offspring...

The resulting child would be a half sister to any of her mother's siblings, and thus an Aunt to the Groom. Additionally, she'd be a cousin since she is an offspring from one of the Groom's parent's siblings.

Could it be ANY sicker?

Laura

[German-Lefty]

16. Nope they don't incest to do it. Just two marriages between families.

See below.

[German-Lefty]

15. I've got I worked it out!!!

It's best to draw this stuff out on paper
define P(a,b,c) as "a and b get it on and have c".

grandparents: g1,g2, g3,g4
Your parents: m,d
Your crazy aunt: a
Your cousin&ant: c
You: y

P(g1,g2,m)
P(g3,g4,d)
P(g3,g4,a)

P(m,d,y) - you're born
P(g1,a,c) - Grandpa on one side get's it on with your aunt on the other

So c is your cousin, because she's the daughter of your aunt on one side. She also the your aunt because she's the sister of your parent on the other.

No incest must be performed to do this, but if you were to have kids, it would be worse than just marrying your cousin. All her genes would come from 3 of your 4 grandparents.

:headbang:

[davsand]

18. THAT is amazing!

I was struggling with this one and it actually made my brain cramp... The incest idea was the only thing I could come up with to explain the relationships--but YOUR scenario makes more sense and is more likely (if ANY of this is "likely")

You rock!

Laura

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. In the sake of fairness and against prejudice...

...I am going to force myself to be surprised this happened in Utah.

*nnnnnnnnngh!*

Sorry, I couldn't. I really tried, I promise.

[Another Bill C.]

19. We are all descended from "incestual" marriages.

According to the bible, we have to be descended from brother/sister, mother/son, father/daughter, and cousin couplings.

According to scientists, we are all descended from a single African woman. This would suggest the same relationships were involved.

We are all most likely descended from 12- to 14-year-old grandparents of some degree.

In the bible, Lot impregnated his daughters and their sons grew to be tribal leaders. This occurred after Lot's fellow villagers were decimated for some sort of misbehavior -- obviously more serious than copulating with your daughters (or your father).

Our attitudes toward sex haven't changed much from the time of Queen Victoria's dictates.

[davsand]

20. That kind of genetic inbreeding is not a good idea

I don't care how you slice it, diversity in the gene pool is a survival necessity for any species. Further, there is every indication that while the matra-lineal DNA is consistent, there is no evidence that it became widespread in one or two generations.

Laura

[German-Lefty]

21. Evolutionary Argument for Incest -- I'm playing devils advocate here

Inbreeding causes an increase in expression of recessive genes. Crossbreeding causes decreases the chance that those genes will become active, but doesn't directly influence the amount of those genes in the gene pool.

Example: Take two twin towns in Germany, one with all the people blond/blue eyed and the other with people that have dark hair/eyes. For hundreds of years these people stuck to their own towns. Then one day someone built a road in between, and they started mixing.

If we mix the chromosomes randomly over a couple generations. You'll have 1/4 of the population blond, but 1/2 the population carrying the "blond gene". The amount of "blond gene" hasn't changed, but the amount of blonds has decreased.


Most genetic disorders are caused by recessive genes doubling up. Every now and then there may be good traits from this too.

Premise:I'm going to make a premise which I'm not 100% sure of: Evolution is still working to remove bad genetic material from the gene pool and encourage the good stuff. Even if few people are directly being removed from the gene pool, people with a bad hand may have fewer kids.

The problem with genetic diseases is that they affect too few people. If everyone carrying a single gene X would go blind. Gene X would quickly die out. The problem is that when only 1/1,000 people carry a recessive gene X only 1/1,000,000 go blind. So evolution gets few chances to get rid of the damn thing. On the flip side: if X is a good gene that gives you super intelligence, evolution will get few chances to promote this gene.

Conclusion: You're probably doing your children more harm then good by inbreeding, but you are helping the species improve the gene pool.