Why are repeat murderers and other felons given better treatment than hard working citizens?

[Deja Q]

Kill a person, or many, get free room and board, food, insurance, and a nice quick painless injection if you're really lucky.

Work hard and contribute? Well, then you're overpaid, worthless, outsourced, called lazy, spit on, left to rot slowly.

I sure as hell am NOT advocating murder to get a free ride; I'm just observing the sheer irony in our society that seems to reward criminals more than it does those who wish to live free.

[mcctatas]

1. ....

never mind...

[DarkTirade]

2. Fate, it seems, it not without a sense of irony.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. The State, as an identifiable entity, has a moral obligation to care for its wards

The market, which is everywhere and nowhere, does not.

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Simple answers to seemingly hard questions.

[Pierre.Suave]

4. I have a suspicion that...

Were you to try the alternative, you would prefer to be on your own and not in prison...

[madeline_con]

5. Why are they free to repeat in the first place? n/t

[Withywindle]

6. I sort of hear you on the medical thing.

What, it's unethical to let murderers die of cancer or AIDS or heart disease or what have you with no treatment--and yet it's just fine to let that happen to people who've committed no crime at all except for being poor?


OTOH, I kind of suspect that if those were my only two choices, I'd rather panhandle for a Greyhound ticket to somewhere beautiful and crawl off to die with some dignity looking at beautiful scenery in the woods than be poked at in a cinderblock room with my wrists chained. Just sayin'.

[ghostsofgiants]

7. Have you ever been in a maximum security prison?

Not gonna argue that the working class issn't getting fucked over on a constant basis, but I don't think a life prison sentence is the holiday you're making it out to be.

[HEyHEY]

8. This sounds like that old conservative argument for harsher sentences

Fact is, putting them in jail is to protect society from them. And when they're in there we can't be barbarians to them. We have to take the high road.

[two gun sid]

9. I work at a state prison

as an electrician. It's not like you are describing it. The health care is horrible. Most states have privatized their health care and you can guess how that has worked out. TB, Hep B & C are rampant. At the complex I work at we have still dealing with a MRSA outbreak that started last year.

I could go on about the other issues you raised but, my point is really that convicts aren't to blame for the fucking the working class is taking. I think that problem originates a little higher up the food chain.

[HEyHEY]

12. Convicts are more so the result of the fucking the working class is taking.

[two gun sid]

14. Yep. It's a goddamn shame how the corrections system works...

When I hired in 16 years ago I worked in a max joint. A few of the convicts were really bad guys and they needed to be there. They were the reason we build prisons.

Now I work around Trustees and Level 1 prisoners. Lots of drunk drivers, deadbeat dads and "dope dealers". Truth in sentencing was one of the greatest scams ever.

I'm getting off my soapbox 'cause this is my day off.

[Connonym]

20. ding, ding, ding, we have a winner

Part of the republican philosophy is to fool people into thinking that the reason they're being held back is because of welfare "queens", disabled people, the poor and the imprisoned (which I agree is partially related to the fucking of the working class in terms of horrendous education, parents being forced to work more than one job and not having adequate time with their children, etc.). The reality is that they're trying to distract us from that fact that corporate greed, tax avoiding, and other, maleficence are a far, far bigger danger to the middle class. It is the biggest scam ever near as I can figure. If W and his cohorts every go to jail for their crimes they would be in a "country club" minimum security prison. A guy who robs a 7-11 will be in maximum security. Think about it.

[ghostsofgiants]

23. There is a point that doesn't see enough light in discussions of law and order.

[Nikia]

10. I've heard that the accomodations and social environment

Are not the greatest. The food usually isn't that good. You and/or your family have to pay outrageous prices for necessities and anything extra like deoderant, tooth paste, shoes, notebook, phone calls. At some prisions, they are rather neglegent in providing good medical care. At many prisions, the guards treat prisioners a lot worse than most bosses treat their workers.

[Heidi]

11. Are you saying you'd like to live thier lives?

When were you last spat upon?

[cwydro]

13. No way would I want to be in prison.

Fate worse than death, IMO.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

15. A friend of mine did two years on drug-related charges

The big bruiser types rule inmate society, and the more harmless inmates live in fear of them, knowing that they could be beaten up or raped at any time. My friend suffered several broken bones when a bruiser who happened to be homophobic found out that he was gay.

If you actually went to prison, chances are you wouldn't like it much.

[datasuspect]

17. fight or fuck

is what they often say, and sometimes big, bad dudes get their ticket punched.

predators, gang affiliated types are the ones who "make" it in the joint (i.e. they aren't brutally gang raped or used as human toilets).

i like toad, but he is way off the mark in this post.

[datasuspect]

16. you are talking out of your ass

have you ever been to prison?

have you ever been in any kind of jail?

what you are saying is ludicrous and absurd.

prison is no reward.

[PeaceNikki]

18. I was so shocked at this post, I couldn't even think of how to respond.

It clearly comes from a place of extreme ignorance.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

19. And the award for grouchy curmudgeon post of the day goes to...

I must say, I agree complet---AAAHHHH!!!! DAMMIT!!!! DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY DAMN YARD!!!!! I JUST WATERED IT, DAMMIT!!!!

As I was saying, taxes are high, too damn high if you ask me. Grubby government....

[dembotoz]

21. treatment in prisons somewhat public record.

some standards apply
if prisons were secret - can we say Gitmo?
No observations, no standards.
oh they say say there are standards, they are just secret.
After WWII the folk who ran nazi concentration camps found out, when it was
made public, that they had made a bad carreer move....

Our treatement of the poor in America- a disgrace.
And John Edwards will be remembered for bonking some camera women instead of his
work to focus our party on the poor.

The Democratic Party is not clean on this issue either.
Billy Clintons welfare "reform" prevent me from having ANY respect for that asshole.

[Ptah]

22. You are mistaken if you really think prison is better than freedom.

:thumbsdown:

[Inchworm]

24. Every Sunday...

Go visiting.

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