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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:15 PM
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So if someone tried to tell you that your OWN ETHNICITY didn't exist
how would you react?

'Cause DAMN, I was straight tempted to slap this bitch a few nights ago who was INSISTING that Scots-Irish is NOT an ethnicity. :grr:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:18 PM
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1. Well, if you ever do slap her...
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:18 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Slap her again for me

No Scots-Irish, indeed! :mad: :nuke: :grr:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:28 PM
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5. Will do
:thumbsup:
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:20 PM
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2. there are some serious idiots out there
I once had a guy insisting on arguing with me about which of my brothers was the oldest! Um, dude, I'm pretty sure I've got this one. :hi:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:24 PM
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3. Scotch-Irish is not an ethnicity?
:wtf: I thought that's what I was (half at least). :shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:27 PM
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4. No, it's totally an ethnicity
It's one of the biggest ethnicities in the US.

She's just ignorant.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:29 PM
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6. Eh
Wouldn't bother me.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:29 PM
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7. So that makes me ethnicity-free? Hmm...
...I wonder what that same lady would make of the German or British parts of my heritage? She'd probably have the same reaction. So, according to her, a Scots-Irish/German/English/tiny-sliver-of-French person such as myself has no ethnic identity.

As a solution, I would refer this good woman to the dictionary. To encyclopedias and, if possible, to some general history books. It's really quite simple.

Ignorance offends me as much as racism and prejudice do. Oh, wait! What is the root of racism and prejudice? Exactly!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:30 PM
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8. Would she have said you're two ethnicities?
One part Scotch and one part Irish?

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:32 PM
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9. She was arguing that I'm Scottish
which is just not accurate. :shrug:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:34 PM
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10. I wonder how
your Irish parent would have reacted? Or, are both your parents Scotch-Irish? Or is one Scottish and one Irish?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:39 PM
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11. The Scots-Irish are Scots who settled in Northern Ireland around 1600
lived in Ireland for a few hundred years, then got tired of being pawns of the English, so they moved to the US. Well, some of them are still there, but they're just plain Ulstermen. :P

But we're a unique breed. :D
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:43 PM
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12. Hello from a fellow Scots-Irishwoman!
My ancestor came over from Ireland in the mid-1700s! :hi:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:45 PM
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13. Hi!
My Scots-Irish ancestor who bears my surname was fleeing the law and came over around 1880! :D
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:47 PM
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14. It's not. It's a recipe for
distillation.
:P



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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:54 PM
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23. AKA
"What's that funny contraption you got in the shed, grandpa?" :P
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:12 PM
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15. People say the same thing about Jews all the time
That's when I get to explain the difference between anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:33 PM
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17. Yeah, I've gotten that one more than once.
When listing off my various ethnic backgrounds (that I know of... I don't know a huge chunk of my european side. :) ), people will tell me that I can't be a quarter jewish because it isn't an ethnicity. :banghead:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:54 PM
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24. On the other hand, it doesn't help when my more evangelistically-minded friends
continue to try to tell me that I can be a Jew and still believe in Jesus. While I suppose that's true in the ethnic sense, it just ain't in the religious sense. Their inability to understand that cultural and religious Jewish belonging can go hand-in-hand is another weird thing.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:56 PM
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26. I'm not culturally jewish at all, my great-grandparents converted at some point.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:57 PM by DarkTirade
But they're still descendant from jews. And if they'd stayed in Poland for another decade or two, there mighta been some problems.

*edited to add the word 'great' in front of grandparents. :) *
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:12 PM
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34. What about when Jewish people say it? Many of them deny their own ethnicity. nt
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:21 PM
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40. That depends
When a religious Jew says that there is no Jewish ethnicity and that the community of Jews consists only of those who adhere to the Jewish religion, they make some sense to me. After all, the faith existed long before more modern notions of nationality. On the other hand, people who deny their ethnicity so they can assimilate are doing it for personal reasons that I just don't understand.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:25 PM
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16. I would mess up their world with a claymore or a Shillileagh,
then go somewhere for haggis and a pint of Guinness. B-)
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:39 PM
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18. Here ye go


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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:40 PM
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19. Thanks, mate.
Th'wurruld's a luvvly place when ye've a drop taken...
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:48 PM
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22. conflicted
pinta Guinness or Gies a pint o heavy
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:42 PM
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20. aint that just caucasian?
:P
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:00 PM
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27. Uh, sure....
:D
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:04 PM
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29. Yeah, we're all from the Caucasus
which is why we like to caucus!

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:07 PM
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32. aren't we all just chinese even if we are thai, middle eastern even if we are persian or arab,
indian if we are from anywhere on the subcontinent?

:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:12 PM
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33. You're Oriennals
:P
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:12 PM
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35. i love wood work
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:18 PM
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39. .
:rofl:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:42 PM
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21. What's worse is
when I say I'm part Welsh, they say, "Oh isn't that part of England?"

:grr:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:56 PM
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25. I'm tempted to point out that Scots-Irish would be a culture not an ethnicity...
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 03:00 PM by Chan790
and thus she's correct. However, too many people don't know the difference for it to matter much.

To be technical, your ethnicity would be Celtic (probably).

Same as mine (descended from Scottish Catholics from the highlands), Gerry Adams (leader of Sinn Féin, theoretically a Marxist, but the son of Irish-Catholics), Rev. Ian Paisley (filthy Ulsterman that he is), Mary Shelley (descended from Scottish lowland presbyterian stock), Winston Churchill (about as British as you can get), Jim Bakker (born in the US South to parents of Scots-Irish heritage), The Queen of England, most Australians, a large percentage of Canadians and about 2/3 the population of the French province of Normandy. If you're ancestors were in almost any way inter-married with the British, you're almost certainly at least partially Celtic.

A genetic survey done last year revealed that among the British, genetic stock of other common British ethnicities (Pictish, Anglo, Saxon, Norman, I'm forgetting several) was being lost out of the population. That's how common Celtic ancestry has become. We've conquered much of the English-speaking world through intermarriage and fecundity.

edit: changed most to much. It seemed over-reaching.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:03 PM
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28. I consider my Ethnicity to be "mutt"
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 03:08 PM by YankeyMCC
well maybe I should at least add the qualifier of "human" so "human mutt"

Does that exist? :)

btw: I'm not poking fun at you or the idea that Scots-Irish is an ethnicity, just poking fun at myself.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:06 PM
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30. "Scottish-Irish"?
Aren't they prone to wanting to bitch slap people?:evilgrin:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:13 PM
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36. Who let you out of GDP?
'Cause yeah, sometimes the urge to bitch-slap people can be overwhelming.

No, this is NOT a non-sequitor. :P
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:07 PM
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31. People tell me Indian Christians don't exist and then ask me why I wear a cross.
I feel like punching them, and for a while I would patiently explain it to them, but now I just say whatever and go find someone more intelligent to talk to. It's just not worth it anymore.

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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:14 PM
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37. Indian?
As in Native American or from India?

I know quite a few Christians who are one or the other and one who is both.

:shrug:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:18 PM
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38. Indian from India
and I think it's awesome that you have a friend who is both because I would love to be around when he or she is asked "dot or feather?" :rofl:

Actually a lot more people are discovering the existence of us, but they will vehemently denounce the existence of our 2000-year history. They think it just happened recently!!!
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:23 PM
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41. There are a hell of a lot of us........
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 03:24 PM by new_beawr
Of course, once I described myself as Scots-Irish to one of my College buddies' Irish Immigrant, South Side of Chicago Father and he gave me an earful of nasty insults, then we all got drunk and then I was OK.......
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