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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:31 PM
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Mondays 'IN' The Undergroundrailroad (Black History Month) 02/16/04

Mondays 'IN' The Undergroundrailroad






Hello everybody and welcome to Monday's 'IN' The Undergroundrailroad. I'm glad you dropped in to say hello today and Happy President's Day. I'm not honoring the pResident in office now because he was not elected to anything. But certainly I honor past Presidents. I hope to jump-start your week ahead and/or at least bring a smile to your face. Can I do it? OR May I (ouch, I felt that ruler tap on my hand !). Allow me to bring a smile to your face.

We continue to celebrate Black History Month in the Undergroundrailroad. I wish learning about Black history was longer than a week or month. I think it's important to discuss and learn the many contributions of African-Americans all over the world. For instance, this leads up to our dessert today, Mrs. Fisher's Coconut Pie!



Born into slavery, Mrs. Abby Fisher was one of the first African-Americans to author a cookbook. And this month, in honor of Black History Month, the coconut pie is just one of her recipes being featured at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. Not much is known about Mrs. Fisher. Born into slavery, she and her husband moved from Mobile, Ala., to San Francisco after the Civil War. Their 11th child was born en route in Missouri. On the West Coast, Mrs. Fisher worked as a cook and a caterer and operated a pickles, preserves, jams and jellies store.

Her culinary skills didn't go unnoticed. At the Sacramento State Fair in 1879, she was awarded a diploma. The following year at the San Francisco Mechanics' Institute Fair, she won two medals -- best pickles and sauces, and best assortment of jellies and preserves. Mrs. Fisher could neither read nor write, but her admirers convinced her to dictate the recipes she stored in her head so they could be passed on. Note the wording for her coconut pie recipe:

"One cocoanut fresh, draw off the milk, then place the nut in a hot oven and let it stay long enough for the shell to pull off; then grate with the nut juice one teacup of powdered white sugar, one tablespoonful of butter and lard rubbed together until creamed . . . "

Well, I don't know about you, but Mrs. Fisher's Coconut Pie sounds wonderful and I'm going to prepare it! I'll report my results in future Mondays 'IN' The UGRR editions.

The name of the book is What Mrs. Fisher Knows About Old Southern Cooking, Soups, Pickles, Preserves, Etc.





Ronald H. Brown in a photo being held by his son Michael Brown

Where were you when you heard that Ron Brown died in a plane crash in 1996 while on a trade mission to Bosnia? I recall the moment very well. It sent waves of shock and sadness throughout the world and I remember the look on President Clinton's face. Stunned that his Secretary of Commerce and good friend was gone forever. The wreckage yielded more than a ravaged body and soon even I had to ask the question, was this really an accident or murder? It was at that point that the public gained an insight into Ron Brown's work for civil and human rights.

There were many "firsts" in the life of Ron Brown, the most important being the first African-American to hold the office of U.S. Secretary of Commerce.

Secretary Brown was born in Washington, D.C. in 1941. He grew up in New York, and with the help of a scholarship attended Middlebury College in Vermont. He received his law degree from St. John's University, attending at night while working by day as a welfare caseworker for the City of New York. He served for four years in the Army in both Germany and Korea. As lawyer, a negotiator, a pragmatic bridge builder, he was highly successful in building a strong private sector/public sector partnership. As he stated, "That includes rebuilding our industrial base and working with small business owners and minority entrepreneurs to create and expand employment opportunities."

He also served as chief counsel for the Senate Judiciary Committee under the Chairmanship of Senator Edward M. Kennedy. Ron Brown spent 12 years with the National Urban League as Deputy Executive Director, General Counsel and vice president for its Washington operations.

Ron Brown was also the highly successful chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Ron Brown was married to the former Alma Arrington and their two children, Michael and Tracey are both lawyers.

A ship was named to honor the late Secretary of Commerce, Ronald H. Brown. NOAA Ship RONALD H. BROWN, a state-of-the-art oceanographic and atmospheric research platform, is the largest vessel in the NOAA fleet. With its highly advanced instruments and sensors, RONALD H. BROWN travels worldwide supporting scientific studies to increase our understanding of the world's oceans and climate. A fitting tribute to an outstanding individual. His son, Michael Brown, is the Chairman of the Ronald H. Brown Foundation.

What an extraordinary, brilliant life! It is this life that is celebrated today and always in the Undergroundrailroad.

I do miss you Secretary Ron Brown.


NOAA Ship RONALD H. BROWN





Paul Winfield

Last night, Sunday, I watched the second part of the movie KING based on the life of Dr. Martin Luther King. I couldn't help but marvel at the remarkable resemblance of Paul Winfield and Dr. King. In fact, I found it difficult looking at Paul Winfield and not thinking of him as Dr. King! If you have not seen this movie, I urge you to purchase or rent it. The sets are very realistic and the acting is superb. A little unrealistic was the role of Coretta Scott King played by the award winning actress, Cicely Tyson. There was absolutely no physical resemblance between Ms. Tyson and Mrs. King, not that there should be. Perhaps the image of the dynamic, omnipresent, Mrs. King just got in the way.

The most important scene in this movie was the last few moments of Dr. King's life. The way he looked at the sky, commenting on the weather and not needing a coat. Also what happened AFTER Dr. King was shot and taken to the hospital, presumably alive. Did the physicians do everything possible to help him? Also the manner in which his family found out about his death. Where was the dignity of informing Mrs. King of the murder of her husband in an airport? Also, the crime scene. You will soon realize that it was all a sham, a fraud, a non-problem to the FBI and local police. And finally you will see a VERY graphic autopsy and then it hits you like a ton of bricks. This man was murdered in cold blood and it looked, smelled, sounded like a conspiracy. I can't help but think if Dr. Martin Luther King had the level of security that is awarded heads of states and elected officials today, he might still be alive. But the same argument could be made for President Kennedy.

Finally you will hear the famous "I Have A Dream" speech delivered in almost the same syntax of Dr. King. It is a truly brilliant performance and it is most appropriate to honor the actor Paul Winfield in Mondays 'IN' The Undergroundrailroad in honor of Black History Month.

A native of Los Angeles's Watts District, the distinguished actor Paul Winfield's earliest theater experience came while he was a student at Manual Arts High School. He continued his studies as a scholarship student at the University of Portland, Stanford University, Los Angeles City College and UCLA.

Mr. Winfield had resolved to become a university professor, but black actors were beginning to make their mark in Hollywood. He received his first big break from Burgess Meredith, who cast him in Le Roi Jones' controversial The Dutchman and The Toilet. This led to a series of walk-on parts for television; Mr. Winfield then decided to join the Stanford Repertory Theater, followed by a stint at the Inner City Cultural Center Theater in Los Angeles


More in this bio of Paul Winfield:

In the hit movie, PRESUMED INNOCENT, PAUL WINFIELD played a crafty judge, and when he was on the bench most of us didn't care much what happened to the other actors. He is probably Hollywood's best scene stealer. He started young. At Manual Arts high school in Los Angeles, he won the "best actor" honor three years straight in competition with hundreds of other Southern Californian drama students. In his film debut in "Sounder" he was nominated for an Oscar. Twice he was nominated for an Emmy Award. One for his brilliant portrayal of Martin Luther King in NBC' s special, "King", and another time for his role in "Roots II." He has guest starred in more than 40 television shows, playing memorable roles in "227", "L.A. Law" and "Murder She Wrote." He has been in 20 plays at the Mark Taper Forum in Los Angeles as well as in regional theaters elsewhere across the country, including Lincoln Center. He has been honored by the National Association of Media Women and the Black Child Development Institute, and won NAACP's Image award. He was recently inducted into the Black Filmmakers Hall Of Fame.

______________________________________________________________________________________

The Boondocks by Aaron McGruder






Questions of the Day

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?




OK, I'm OUTTA. I will see you next Monday 'IN' The Undergroundrailroad. Have a great week!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:37 PM
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1. 1. Dredd Scott - as a reminder of past injustice
2. A bitchin' 60's Mustang

3. Open revolution
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:15 PM
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18. Hello Fenris and Welcome to Mondays IN The Undergroundrailroad.
How nice of you to drop in and say hello!

Dredd Scott met injustice. I often wonder if Black men today continue to feel that injustice. You make an excellent point!

You want a bitchin 60's Mustang ;-)

But I just love your last response. BURN BABY BURN! OPEN REVOLUTION BABY!

Fenris, please stop in again on Mondays where we hang out.

Love,

Underground Mina :hi:
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:37 PM
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2. Hi Mina!
:hi: Good to see you again!

The Questions:

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?
ooh, tough one. I did a report on Frederick douglas in the fifth grade and I've always liked him.

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.
At this point I'd be glad to have ANY car.

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?
I think the states should work to get a more stable electing system or something because who wants another FL?
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:43 PM
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19. What's Up breezygirl! So nice to see you today;-)
I do think Frederick Douglas is deserving of a holiday that is inclusive of other African-Americans. We should provide education about our many black mentors.

Now, we don't want a repeat of Election 200 so you think we need to revamp our election system because who wants another FL. I do agree with you breezy girl.

Have a great rest of your week and thanks for stopping in.

Love and peace,

Mina :loveya:
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:54 PM
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3. Hi, lovely Mina.
A big hug for you today, my friend!

I love cookbooks, and I am sure that is a great one to have.

Ron Brown. I can remember how heartbroken I was at that great tragedy. He was a wonderful man. The thing I remember most about him was his smile. It was always there. He was a man who was happy with his life, and it showed. A truly good man. I was working for a political organization in California at the time of his death, and one of my co-workers had worked for him. She told me that he was absolutely devoted to Alma almost to the point of reverence. She said he was always saying, "Alma thinks..." on just any subject that came up. I thought that was wonderful. I also remember President Clinton saying, "If it weren't for Ron Brown, I wouldn't be President." Truly a wonderful tribute to his friend, and a sincere one.

Paul Winfield is one awesome dude.

1. Harriet Tubman would be my choice. A truly wonderful woman, who made such an impact on her fellow human beings.

2. A vintage Corvette Stingray, which I probably will never have. But I do have a BMW convertible, which is an excellent substitute.

3. They should revote, on paper, with Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford in charge of the whole thing.

Thanks for the UGRR. :loveya:
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:22 PM
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20. Hi there Sweet Patata Pie!
What a sad end to Ron Brown. His wife and children are just beautiful.
Ron Brown and his family lived the American Dream! I am so proud of his accomplishments. Yes, I clearly remembered President Clinton saying "It it weren't for Ron Brown, I wouldn't be President. They were truly good friends.

You honor Harriet Tubman for a holiday of her own. I couldn't agree more.

I see you want a vintage Corvette Stingray, BUT! HOLD ON, you have a BMW Convertible! Why YES! That is an excellent substitute!

In case of another Election 2000, there should be another revote on paper with President Carter and President Ford in charge of it,

You know, perhaps we should ask the two Presidents to form a commission on voting that oversees problems that occur during voting and it would be sent to them for review in a fast, fair and open process.

Thanks Sweetpatatapi for stopping in to say hello!

Your friend,

Mina :hi: :loveya:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:00 PM
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4. G'afternoon dear Mina.....
.....Oh I remember hearin' about Ron Brown...that was so horrible...I really did like him...felt sooo much sorrow for the loss to his family and our country. :cry:

Questions of the Day......

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?

Harriet Tubman would be deservin' of a holiday too!! :)

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.

One that runs on alternative fuel! ;-)

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?

THE REVOLUTION THAT SHOULDA HAPPENED LAST sELECTION! x(

Hopin' you and the rest o'DU have a great Monday!! :grouphug: :loveya:

Peace'n'Love Always,

~Amber~ :hi:
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:49 PM
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22. Good Evening my dearest Amber. Happy Monday and rest of your week!
Yes, so many of us remember the sad day his plane was missing. We lost a great person.

Harriet Tubman should have a day celebrated. Senator Clinton signed a bill that would celebrate Harriet Tubman for a day. I will talk more about this as we get closer to the holiday.

OK, you want a car that runs on alternative fuel? Hmmmmm? Don't they already have that little car that runs by battery? I thought they did make a car for alternative fuel? I have to Goggle that!

IF there is a repeat of DU their WILL BE REVOLUTION! I agree!

Take Our Country Back!

Thanks Amber for dropping in. You are just the sweetest and I appreciate your visits always.

Love,

Mina :loveya: :yourock:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:04 PM
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5. Monday Monday Hi Mina
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 03:05 PM by proud patriot
Questions of the Day

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?
Rosa Parks, MalcomX , and UndergroundRailroad of course

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.
1964 and half sky blue Mustang Convertable , That's my Dream car.

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen? I believe all people who are able should converge
into the states in Question , to let them know we are watching
and will not be shut down this time .
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:03 PM
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23. Hi Proud Patriot, Happy Monday Monday!
I love your responses in the first question. There should be a holiday for Rosa Parks, Malcom X and The Undergroundrailroad! Great responses!

Your dream car would be a 1954 Mustang and the colors would be half sky blue ! Now that is a cool ride!

This is a good idea. We should converge into the states in question to let them know our presence is there and watching the powers that be. We will NOT be shut down this time, the votes WILL be counted! YEA!!!!! I'm liking that idea already. You know, perhaps we should start organizing this now.

PP I can always learn something new from you. Thanks for dropping in to say hello to me. Here's a :hug:


Love,

Mina :loveya:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:06 PM
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24. Thanks Mina
:loveya:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:08 PM
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6. Mmmmmm coconut (slaps face repeatedly)
Damn. Both personalities made me sad. I'll jump straight to the questions:

1) Lots of good candidates. Rosa Parks maybe? Being the sports buff I am, I'm tempted to say Jesse Owens. I first saw a documentary about the guy when I was eight, and enjoyed immensely the humiliation Hitler went through seeing his übermensh being beaten by a black man.

2) I never had a car. I never actually wanted to have a car.

3) The shadow conspiracists should chicken out, fear civil war and decide it's not worth it. Secret messages are sent to operatives: "abort operation".
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:17 PM
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25. JCCyC hello and good evening.
I think Rosa Parks who we call the "Mother of the Civil Rights movement should have her own holiday.

You never had a car. And you never actually wanted a car. No problem. I have lots of people who do not drive in my family. Old fashioned and feel that the husband should drive ONLY.

I see you have a plan if the votes aren't counted and civil war might be at had. Let's hope the process will go as planed. I'm very surprised at how the votes are being counted and reported to the networks on time.

Thanks for dropping in to say hello JCCyC (what does your DU name mean?) When I'm typing your name, I must remember to take the cap key "off" to spell your name correctly.

Have a wonderful and happy week ahead!

Love,

Mina :loveya; :hi:
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:11 PM
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7. Hi Mina!
thanks as always for your Monday post!

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?
may I echo the requests for a holiday for Harriet Tubman...an amazing woman


2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.
well my tastes have changed often over the years... I'm going to just have to stick with "new", I've never had a new car of my own.

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?
We would truly be at the point where we need outside assistance. We could ask for observers.
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:26 PM
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26. Hi indigo32, I'm checking out your cool avatar! Lookin good.
Harriet Tubman is an amazing woman. There will be a NY State, with the assistance of Senator Clinton, day for her. I 'm going to speak more about it in a few more weeks.

You will get your new car.

If there is a repeat of election 2000, we would need outside assistance. Outside assistance. DO you mean like the United Nations? I agree we will require someone to help us.

Thanks indigo, my friend (we go far back in Mondays IN The UGRR) and have a great week!

Love,

Mina :loveya: :hi:
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:14 PM
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8. Hooray, I made it to the UGRR!
Hello, Mina! :hug:

That pie sounds scrumptious! I could eat the whole thing right now, I swear.

Ron Brown must have been one of the very few African-Americans at Middlebury. I love that school and that area.

In answer to the questions...
1) Harriet Tubman, of course, and I have to put in a plug for my heroine, Barbara Jordan. Couldn't we find a reason to honor her?

2) I got the chance to drive a Lamborghini Diablo a few years ago. Man oh man, what a rush!!! I'd have to say that is my dream car. Or...I forgot, my dream car is a Porsche 959. I saw one at the Frankfurt Auto Show in 1985. They were never street-legal in the US and that made them all the more desireable. :evilgrin: I have many dream cars.

3) I'm afraid this has a good chance of happening, sadly. I don't have any problem with taking the time to count the votes properly but we have to make sure the votes aren't lost or changed.

Have a great week and thank you for the History lessons. :yourock:
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:54 PM
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28. Yes, you made it and ***I*** finally made it too! Here's a (hug). I
missed you Maine Dem. It's been very busy, I'm sure.

You know back in the day, they baked pies and cakes in those enamel pans. Doesn't that coconut pie look great! I'm going to bake it this weekend. I'm being so bad!


Barbara Jordan, Former U.S. Rep. (Democrat TX)

Yes, you do discuss Barbara Jordan frequently in the Undergroundrailroad. I loved her too. I'm sure there must be a reason to have a holiday for her and Harriet Tubman. I'm just not sure if the non-progressives in OUR world are ready for a Barbara Jordan Day or Harriet Tubman Day. It would be nice if the candidates could promote more recognition of great African-Americans!

So your concerned that a repeat of election 2000 could happen again. Were you impressed with the speed we received the results during our primary reporting? I do agree. I think it will narrow down to TWO STATES, FL AND TEXAS. We *MUST* have a plan in place to protect those who are disenfranchised while voting. You present a challenge to all DUers and that we must be prepared for possible disenfranchisement in the states that are close in the poll numbers.

Oh, your welcome and thanks for the compliments!

Have a wonderful rest of your week!

Love,

Mina :loveya: :yourock:
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:17 PM
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9. Good Morning
1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?

W.E.B. DuBois.

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.

A Honda Accord Hybrid Car :-)

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?

Get around in a circle with my friends and sing "Kum-by-a"

I hope you have a great day :thumbsup:

*Skinner hasn't responded yet by the way.
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:23 AM
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29. Good Late Evening La_Serpiente and how are you. You know, I just LOVE
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 12:27 AM by undergroundrailroad
your DU office because that's what they are. With the assistance of ELAD, our DU Administrator, we can use our space anyway we want to. I like your signature line, your avatar and your photo.

OK, let me check you out my friend.




WOW! W.E.B DuBois would be very deserving of his own holiday. There is a certain mystic about Mr. Dubois and, of course, he was a brilliant educator. I like your selection La_Serpiente.

I see you want a A Honda Accord Hybrid Car :-) Cool, cool, car selection!

LOL, if there is a replay of election 2000, you'll join your friends in a rendition of "Kum-by-a". :grouphug:

Thanks for stopping in to say hello La_Serpiente. We'll talk during the week.

Love and peace,

Mina :hi: :yourock:


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blazinjason Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:32 PM
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10. Hello Sweet Mina and Happy Monday !
I'm home today and enjoying a day away from the work place. I'm glad you're on duty as I always enjoy reading Mondays IN The UGRR.

I love the piece you did on Ron Brown. That is a great photo of Michael Brown and his Dad.

Thanks for the information on Mrs. Fisher. I will try and bake the pie myself (fire alert) or I will ask my wife if she would like to bake it. We both love desserts.

OK on to the questions:

I like your very first question because we should honor more African-Americans with state and federal holidays (not shopping days). I would pick Justice Thurgood Marshall. Why? He was one of the most important civil rights heros of all time. He was responsible in many ways to follow desegregation of schools and public places. If not for him, we might still be living in a segregated America. Justice Marshall was a progressive and a great man.






On May 17, 1954, Chief Justice Earl Warren read the decision of the unanimous Court:

"We come then to the question presented: Does segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race, even though the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors may be equal, deprive the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities? We believe that it does...We conclude that in the field of public education the doctrine of 'separate but equal' has no place. Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal. Therefore, we hold that the plaintiffs and others similarly situated for whom the actions have been brought are, by reason of the segregation complained of, deprived of the equal protection of the laws guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment.




What an excellent question Mina!

I would like a HUMMER, yellow if you don't mind ;-).

Another election 2000? Ah, well, if you must know, I'll take to the street! Hopefully, I'll have a crowd to join me.

Have a wonderful week Mina. This is an excellent Mondays IN The UGRR!

BJ





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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:56 AM
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30. BJ, hello and thanks for stopping in to Mondays IN The UGRR.
I'm sorry for this late response but I read and reply to all that post.


BJ, thank you so much for your kind words and I'm glad to know that you are enjoying the content around here].

So you would like a yellow Hummer? I think that can be arranged!

OK, close your eyes ;-)





If things don't work out after election 2004 you want REVOLUTION! I heard that!

Have a wonderful rest of your week BJ and once again, thanks for stopping in to enjoy our carnival of sorts

Love,

Mina :loveya: :hi:
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:42 PM
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11. Huzzah and hello!
Good afternoon darling Mina! Hope your Valentines Day was both romantic and relaxing, assuming both are possible in the same day…

I remember where I was when Ron Brown died. At the time I was a pre-school teacher who worked a split shift. I heard the news that afternoon while trying to choke down a Spinach salad to win a weight loss contest. I remember President Clinton’s face as well, rarely have I seen a man of such power displaying such visible sadness. It was truly a sad moment.

Paul Winfield has been one of my favorite actors since way back when I saw him in The Terminator as Police Lieutenant Ed Traxler. It didn’t dawn on me then but he’d already had quite an impressive career before that role. I recognized him from other science fiction films I’d seen as a kid such as Damnation Alley and Star Trek The Wrath of Khan, and of course the dad in Sounder, one of the first book and movie pair I’d ever enjoyed. I’ve always enjoyed his performances, and I will definitely look for the Kind miniseries on DVD/Video in the comings weeks.

So, onto this week’s questions!


Questions of the Day

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?

Great question! Being from New Bedford I have to say Fredrick Douglass. His body of work and activism are so instrumental to the emancipation of African Slaves that to honor him with a holiday is, in my opinion, the LEAST we can do. For some great reading on his time in New Bedford, check here: http://www.history.rochester.edu/class/douglass/part2.html

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.

Toyota Prius. Someday… someday….

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?

Pitchforks and torches, to quote the talented Pete Townsend “We won’t get fooled again”.

But seriously, barring rash acts, constant pressure on our congress people to insist that the vote count is carried out in a manner that encourages openness and scrutiny. Assuming that still cannot produce conclusive results, restaging the election with paper ballots but only under UN supervision.

However, while the UN would essentially guarantee a fair reading of the results their mere presence in US democracy would throw the AK-47 and camouflage crowd into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of “global one world government takeover” madness that would more than likely pull the entire US social structure into a spiral of chaos and violent revolution.

My how far we’ve come… :eyes:



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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:18 PM
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12. Heyhey Mina!
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 04:41 PM by Kamika
Interesting stuff :) not bad to keep a whole cookbook in your head.

Lets see.. about the questions..

1. Hmm really good question. I want it to be a politician or something not an actor.. I can't really come up with with anyone at the moment.

Maybe Muhammed Ali.. I think he was a GREAT role model.. but I'd rather wait till he's dead for that.

I'll have to think about that.

2. Hmm no idea. haven't really WANTED a car so badly.. I guess a really expensive , gas consuming Camaro :D




3. With my luck the republicans would get it, I should seriously become a republican, then the democrats would win everything.

:pals:
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:49 PM
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15. grhl
Bump
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GoGo1 Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:31 PM
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13. Hi Mina and Happy Monday in the UGRR. I'm checking in to see
the happenings today. Very nice presentation today. I love actor Paul Winfield . I do miss Ron Brown. Wow, he had a very interesting life Mina.

To question number 1. I think we need a holiday for Thurgood Marshall and Harriet Tubman. OR, since we have a "President's Day" why not a tribute to African-American's Day. It should be a federal holiday with ceremonies.

I have always wanted a truck. I'm to old for a truck now, but I always wanted one.

Election 2000 again, I think this time we have DU to organize.

Have a great day Mina :hi:

GoGo#1 :loveya: :yourock:
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:40 PM
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14. Good Monday afternoon!
As always I appreciate your posts.

My main exposure to Paul Winfield lately has been his mellifluent (love that word!) voice-overs in the A&E Series "City Confidential." I think I started watching that show just so I could hear more of his voice. Here is a link to information about the show, for those interested: http://www.aetv.com/tv/shows/city_confidential/

1. Name one African-American, in your opinion, who deserves a national holiday in addition to Dr. Martin Luther King?

After reading some of the other responses, I would vote for Harriet Tubman, but the first woman who came to mind was Rosa Parks. Lately I have been volunteering in a Head Start classroom and the week of Dr. King's birthday, the teacher did a felt-board story about how Rosa Parks refused to sit at the back of the bus. Some of the 4- and 5-year-olds were amazed to hear about the racist laws that existed back then. One girl's comment about the racists: "Was there something wrong with their brains?" :)

2. What car have you always wanted but have not yet purchased.
I wish I still had my old 1971 Volkswagen Squareback, banana yellow. I did not actually own it but I grew up with the car and drove it throughout my teen and college years. When I got a new car and moved to Seattle, my dad sold it to a very excited young snowboarder. It was OK with me back then, but if I could get any car I wanted, I would still snap that one up in a second!

3. OK, it's three day after the 2004 Presidential election and there is STILL no declared winner. Bush is STILL the pResident. There is trouble in at least 2 states with validating votes. What do you think should happen?
I think everyone in the U.S. who wants to dump Bush should gather in the White House lawn and engage in PRIMAL SCREAM THERAPY until he gives up and leaves! I wish I could think of a more realistic solution, but that's all I've got...

Have a good week.

eileen_d
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 07:03 PM
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16. Good Afternoon, Mina!
I replied to the UGRR last Monday, but never received a reply. ;(

Anyway, great post this week. I understand what you mean about the syntax of the "I Have A Dream" speech by Dr. King. I saw a TV movie about, I think, Malcolm X, back in the seventies (James Earl Jones played Malcolm X) and there was a depiction of the speech during the March on Washington. Not only did the actor playing Dr. King not look a THING like the real MLK, the syntax of the speech, the rhythms and cadences we've come to know based on the old newsreel footage was just completely wrong. Made the depiction of the speech jarring and unbelievable. Important stuff.

Questions:

1. Several: Booker T. Washington, Harriet Tubman (natch), or Dr. George Washington Carver. I don't think he'd get a national holiday, but I think Ira Aldridge has become sadly overlooked in the history of theater, especially Shakespearean theater in America. Have you heard of him? He was a remarkable actor, dealing with the same hatreds and prejudices as Paul Robeson, only 100 years earlier. He is nearly unknown in the US, but there are statues of him all over Europe!

2. I would love to own a Porsche 911. Can't imagine that I ever will, but a guy can dream......

3. I think General Clark should suit up, recruit a revolutionary force, and march with tanks and infantry to restore American democracy. Didn't happen in 2000, and people breathed a sigh of relief that it ended peacefully. Now I bet a lot of people wish such a thing had happened.

Have a great day, Mina! You're the best! :loveya:
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:08 PM
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17. Hi Mina! Better late than never!
1. George Washington Carver - The Original Mr. Peanut! :D

2. B M W

3. International observers from the UN. :evilgrin:
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:29 PM
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21. Hey Mina
1) There are so many African Americans deserving of a National holiday. I'll go with the consensus here and nominate Harriet Tubman for the honor.

2) Pretty much any car would suffice. Driving around without air conditioning in Florida makes anything look better than what I currently have. However, if I had to choose, I'd like a Lincoln. It's nothing fancy, but I always loved driving my Dad's 1989 Lincoln Continental.

3)I think we focus on full recounts in all counties. I wish Gore had called for a 63 county recount in Florida. Lets just hope the problems aren't in Diebold strongholds like Ohio and Georgia.

Happy President's Day, Mina.

:loveya:

-Taylor
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:27 PM
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27. mmmmmmmm
coconut pie....I can see this with chocolate flakes and almonds sprinkled on top. I'll have to make a baby pie 'cuz the spouse or kid won't eat it...


Meanwhile....

1) Frederick Douglass, who kept his eye on the prize and motivated generations to pursue civil rights.

2) A hybrid station wagon. I haul stuff so the Prius didn't do it for me...sigh

3) There better not be a day three! I think there should be observers planted in every major city and a cadre in Florida and Texas just to make sure it's done right. I strongly believe in prevention

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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:27 AM
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31. G'day, Mina/UGRR
Always glad to see you! :hug: Mondays in the UGRR make the day bearable. Sorry I missed you, I had to get a new tire yesterday, the old one went flat. Ever notice how emergency conditions are always very inconvenient? I haven't figured that one out, yet.

Now to answer your questions:

1) There are too many worthy individuals to select one. IMO, there should be one for Jim Crow, to bring to light that set of foul practices and beliefs are still alive and (unfortunately) well to the present day. Too many are in denial to the fact that the US has not lived up to its creed that "ALL are created equal." All means everyone, and not people cherry-picked in the neo-con right's favorite phrase "I have a dream my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

2) I'd like a Porsche 911 turbo.

3) Time to take to the streets. The disgrace of 2000 should NEVER have gone unchallenged, and I detest Gore for letting the rotten republicans have a free pass to stage a constitutional coup d'etat.

I'd like to think that there's hope for us.

Thanks for letting me clear my spleen. I feel much better--whew!

P.S. That pie looks delicious, just in time for me to go work out.
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