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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:18 PM
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I'm finally going to Vegas! Any "insider" tips?
For years, I've talked about going to Vegas. I finally got up the nerve and booked the trip. This will be the furthest west of the Mississppi River that I'll have ever been. I'm so excited. I downloaded BoDog.net's casino software so I can get an idea of some of the games. Whoo Hoo!

Now I just have to get up the nerve to actually fly there, many many drinks should do it! :-)
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:30 PM
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1. Your first visit will be overwhelming - at least it was for me.
There are so many great things to see that you cannot possibly see it all.

Things have changed so much since I've been there, so I don't know what to tell you other than pace yourself.

Have a great time! :hi:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:33 PM
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6. That's my problem, I'll want to see everything. I've vowed not to schedule any shows until we get
there because I'm sure I'll find stuff to do other than the shows. I bought a 3 day monorail pass so I can get around quickly and cheaply. Other than that, It's going to be about 72 hours with no sleep!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:36 AM
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29. sorry to say
the monorail sucks. It goes around the back of the casinos - it's usually a long walk to and from the stops to the main casinos.

Getting around Vegas is a chore these days. The casinos USED to be right up against each other, and it was easy to walk from one to the other. Now they're all on huge estates and it's a long walk between 'em. But still fun.

I'd recommend going up the eiffel tower at Paris at night to watch the Bellagio fountain show. The Mirage has a really good and varied buffet - it's HUGE. And free mimosas.

Always split Aces and eights.

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:13 AM
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33. Yeah, the monorail's a boondoggle

That thing's a disaster, even when its pieces aren't falling off all over the place, and was poorly planned (for example, it'd make more sense if it connected to the airport...maybe the indescribably bad taxi drivers hereabouts put paid to that). If you can refund the ticket, do it. Unless, of course, you want to enjoy the view from the rail. I don't know what it's like because, probably like most who work on the Strip, I've never taken the thing.

Walking is the best way to do it. Americans, especially from anywhere outside NYC and maybe one or two other cities, very often seem loath to walk anywhere and the results here are very often not pretty (e.g., blisters on a massive scale, heat exhaustion and worse, drunk pedestrians getting killed by drunk drivers, and women giving up on their high high-heels and walking the filthy, biohazardous Strip sidewalks in bare feet). Make sure you've got the proverbial sensible shoes, plenty of water (and, if you're REALLY going for it, intersperse it with a bottle of Gatorade or similar), and actually take the time to look around and notice the assorted weirdness and odd juxtapositions that is the Strip. It's more walking than a lot of people do but, really, it's not that far from one end of the Strip to the other, and back, though you're likely to end the day tired and with aching feet.



P.S.: don't fall for the timeshare sales people who masquerade as "tourist information" providers and similar. Some can be annoying and one outfit, in particular, seems to recruit from among the unemployable (by which I mean that they're unemployable for a very good reason or two, or lack thereof).


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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:30 PM
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2. Drink as much as possible, then hit the slots!
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 10:30 PM by Bicoastal
:evilgrin:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:31 PM
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3. Woo Hoo! Drinks and then hot slots! Oh wait, you said slots?! Dang.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:32 AM
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46. Drinks are FREE when you are playing on the casino floor
Albeit, these are "well drinks", meaning these are concotions made from inexpensive liquor sources, including just simple white or red wine.

However, you can ask for a specific liquor, and tip the floor wait person well for it.

And, BTW, always tip something to the floor wait person when you get your free drink, and always tip the dealer when you win big.
(you can tip the dealer with some chips...give a dollar to the floor wait for your drink...if you feel like it...however it does increase the odds of them coming back to check on you and "want" to serve you again)

Oh! Park valet! And tip the valet $1-2 for retrieving your car.
(I always park valet..convenient and knowing my car is in a secired area makes me feel better.)

If you don't have a car rental while there, taxis are everywhere! and usually arrive quickly after you place a call for one through any hotel casino taxi phone, or ask your bell desk or concierge to call one for you. But, if you make the call yourself, that's one less tip you will "need" to give ;)
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:32 PM
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4. Have fun!!
:hi:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:40 PM
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10. I'll certainly do my best. I'll be the geek with the camera. Heh heh.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:42 PM
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11. Then we'll expect pics!!
:D
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:53 PM
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20. I'm sure mine won't be anywhere near as good as yours.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:43 PM
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22. Aww...thanks!
:-)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:33 PM
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5. take comfortable walking shoes, you'll walk A LOT!
be sure to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower in time to watch the laser/fountain show at the Bellagio

plan one evening just to walk the strip and see all the free shows from the sidewalk.

bring a sweater or light jacket, it will get VERY chilly after the sun goes down.

have fun!
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:35 PM
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7. Sweet, the laser show sounds awesome. I'll be sure to try that. Thanks for the tips.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:44 PM
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13. there are awesome rides cheap too
the one in the bowels of the Excalabur (I think that's the name, it was the one with the jousters and princesses etc) is as good as anything at DisneyLand

and the one in the Luxor was good too, and if you get a chance get off the Strip and at the Hilton they have a Star Trek ride that's fun.

the food at New York New York is very good and affordable.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:46 PM
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16. I'm dying to see New York, New York. I didn't want to stay there because I was afraid of having a
room right next to the roller coaster. I'm a light sleeper as it is.
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littlebit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:35 PM
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8. Do not drink all night long
then decide to go play blackjack at 3am.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:37 PM
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9. I can't make any promises.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:43 PM
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12. Go have the Fremont Street Experience!!!
better winnings


awesome street musicians

great environment
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:46 PM
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15. and cheap Shrimp Cocktails! what's not to love? n/t
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:48 PM
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18. I'll have to figure out where that is, sounds great.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:40 PM
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21. It is in the old part of vegas...you can take the double duce bus to get there
cost you 5 bucks


The worlds largest Imac screen runs for blocks and at night they play every 10 minutes or so a real cool animation or jets or something with cool sound


really something you need to see
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:45 PM
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14. 2 dollar tables at the Sahara and the
smaller clubs if you are not wanting to bet five every bet.

best Buffet, Bellagio, Aladdin and the Mirage. Biggest at the Rio but lower quality than the above.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:47 PM
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17. are you staying on the strip?
What kinds of games do you expect to play? How long are you staying?

If you're staying on the strip, I recommend you at least check out Fremont Street, the old downtown where some of the older casinos are still in business. They have the street covered, and they do light shows on the roof at night. The picture doesn't quite capture it, but I'll offer it just the same:


The casinos on Fremont Street don't have quite the same up-to-date glitz appeal as the strip, but they have good drink specials, some good food, some fairly loose slots, and in general a more laid-back atmosphere that makes a nice break from the 24-hour assault on the senses that is the strip.

You can get there pretty easy on the bus. The bus is cheap (at least it used to be), and it's really handy for getting up and down the strip once you're tired of walking. There's a lot of good food to be had, and plenty of shows to see. I hope you have a great time! :toast:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:52 PM
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19. I decided on the Tropicana because of the location. It doesn't sound awesome or anything, but I
figured a clean bed and good location was more important to me. I'm not a big gamer, but I figure the slots, blackjack, and three card poker will be my games, depends on how I do if I get more adventurous with other games. We're staying Wednesday-Saturday at the end of April.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:49 PM
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23. Yeah, find a 20-year time machine
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 11:50 PM by Awsi Dooger
Las Vegas sucks now. It was a great town when I moved there in the mid '80s. Sorry for the downbeat summary but I'm actually understating.

Someone mentioned Eiffel Tower at Paris. Are they out of their mind? I've yet to understand how flawed and phony approximations like that have any value at all. It reminds me of a golf course in Las Vegas that pretends to recreate some of the great holes on the planet. One of them is #7 at Pebble Beach, the famous postage stamp par 3. One minor problem in the Las Vegas version: The damn Pacific Ocean is missing. Therefore it's a stupid 100 yard hole that might as well be impersonating a muni hole from Alabama.

I've been to the real Eiffel Tower and the Las Vegas edition is like Lloyd Bentsen comparing Dan Quayle to JFK.

Twenty years ago a tiny shopping mall stood on the site where the Paris casino is now. It featured two old school gambling joints, Little Caesar's casino on the north end and Churchill Downs sportsbook on the south end. They were 100 yards apart and took the biggest action in town. Filled with amazing characters like Sam Angel. That was vintage Las Vegas. Now you've got corporate bean counters making decisions instead of lifelong gamblers. There's not a hint of character at any of the modern joints. Mergers are the rule of this era with Harrah's and MGM/Mirage taking turns buying one property after another and molding them into the same bland caricature.

You can probably tell I'm absolutely disgusted by the turn of events. I have no idea how it's tolerated, let alone celebrated. The sportsbooks I frequent were formerly run by oldtime bookmakers who used to thrill to call me to the counter and discuss the mathematics of a clever betting proposition they wanted to offer. Now the sportsbooks, for the most part, are managed by petrified empty suits who have to answer to the bean counters nightly, goofs who think sports is supposed to be like slot machines with automatic profits. If the sportsbook loses on hockey, the solution is to eliminate hockey from the menu. I wish I were exaggerating. The only real sportsbook these days, one with any guts, is the Las Vegas Hilton. The monorail stops there, at the adjacent convention center.

Anyway, the Tropicana is not a bad choice, by 2008 standards. That's one of the surviving older hotels that hasn't changed dramatically in 20 years. Others on the Strip are Circus Circus and Riviera, across the street from each other. Walking the Strip was a good suggestion. Some of the smaller older places where you can duck in and out quickly for a feel of the atmosphere are Slots o' Fun (next to Circus Circus), Bourbon Street and Casino Royale.

There are different types of casinos and you might want to sample some of each. Places like Bellagio and Wynn and Mirage are the stuffy upscale hotels. The Station casinos and Coast properties cater more to locals. Downtown maintains many older casinos but I always found it comparatively seedy and uninteresting, even when I worked at the Horseshoe.

You'll see plenty of carnage, more so-called progress. Frontier and Stardust are gone, awaiting new glorified warehouses.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:02 AM
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31. I agree with the vegan above...
Las Vegan, I mean.

I didn't live in Vegas 'til 2004 but I first visited it over 20 years ago and remember what it was like just before the corporate types really took over. The place sure has changed, not least in escalating expense for visitors (I could go for a Bahamas trip for less than Vegas, which'd definitely be my preference), and it's a shadow of its former self. At least Downtown still has plenty of neon left and, despite some Disneyfication, the pedestrian mall, and removal of at least a few layers of seediness (if only on Fremont), has some Vegas character left.

The Strip's mostly devoid of character, nowadays. The corporations changed it -- actually, it wasn't the same once the Mafia were ousted as overt overlords, and everyone I know who worked here in the '60s and '70s tells me that the Mafia treated both guests and workers vastly better than the soulless corporations do -- but Steve Wynn pretty much set the tone for the face of the New Strip when he opened the Mirage. These massive Strip properties with the neon-free muted lighting and the often outrageous room rates and other prices are essentially just theme parks with suspect air...some are truly incredible in their details and the thought and expense that went into expressing the intended themes but they really aren't Vegas (not just 'Old Vegas' but the erstwhile Vegas that's still falsely presented in films and TV as now-Vegas). If I was going to build a Strip casino-hotel I think I'd take the bold step of making my theme Las Vegas, just to be radically different, and it'd be aglow with neon.

I was never a real 'Vegas person' and it's far from my natural habitat (I always felt that Vegas represented some of the best of the US and some of the worst of the US, at the same time, and my brief visits here seemed almost like anthropological field trips), but I can still see that there're some fun things to do here, some still for free, and the peoplewatching is undeniably world-class. Just don't let the superficial glitz -- much more calculated and less endearing than that of old -- obscure the facts that (a) the corporate casinos want every single dollar that enters this town and will do anything to get yours and to prevent you from getting theirs and (b) although it presents itself as a carefree, hedonistic destination, the Vegas Strip (Downtown, too) is anything but, behind that very thin facade, and it's probably the most uptight place in which I've ever spent time. And I really, really, really, really think it's bad, in many ways, that almost the entire Strip is now owned by two gaming corporations.

There are very few good deals in Vegas any more, even for casual gamblers. It used to be great here, even for those of us who didn't gamble, because everything was free or really cheap. That included room rates, food, many shows, and lots more. Not any more. Now the big shows, some priced in the stratosphere, pay for themselves and so do the bars and many of the restaurants and other concessions -- gambling's no longer the only moneymaker here and other activities and facilities don't just exist to entice gamblers. Now, too, the casinos have discovered the joys of running insanely-overpriced clubs and ultralounges that seem to overwhelmingly cater to (in my limited experience, having been dragged in to some...the only joyful note being that I didn't have to wait in line or pay for the dubious privilege) identical frat boys, L.A. blondes in little black dresses, and people determined to look bored and trendy while they drink unbelievably overpriced beverages. Bleh.

Working for most of the Strip casinos -- the corporate ones -- largely sucks because their mindset is that employees are expendable and interchangeable, they shape the state's laws (undoubtedly including the labor ones), and many casino managers are initiative-challenged drones who wouldn't recognize a novel thought even if they weren't afraid to have one. Now that I don't work for anyone but me, I don't have a lot of use for most casinos these days: I don't drink, I don't gamble, and I have more than enough time in the company of tourists and other drunks. I do, however, feel somewhat at home in off-Strip places like Sunset Station and South Point. The Station casinos, the Coast casinos, and South Point (owned by Mike Gaughan, who used to own the Coast group and set the tone for them) are not only friendlier to the gambler, and always have good and budget-priced shows by performers of yore, but are widely known to treat their employees well. If you're into gambling but not into losing lots of money, off-Strip places (including some Downtown) would be an idea -- actually, the very best places for winning video poker might be convenience stores and supermarkets out in the suburban boonies. As for food, it tends to be expensive on the Strip but here and there you might find a decent deal, though it's becoming harder now that maybe 85% of the Strip is owned by two companies who've largely dropped pretense of competition and providing visitors any good deals on food or anything else.

One place that's kind of like a flashback in this sense is Ellis Island, now part of a Super 8 motel on Koval Lane, just east of the Strip and just south of Flamingo Road, where a perennial favorite for locals and old-time visitors is a $4.95 steak deal that includes a baked potato, green beans, and salad. It's a pretty cool little place and is frequented by a lot of casino workers, who get special deals on drinks and so forth, and their entire menu is pretty well priced even if it's largely fairly unimaginative American coffee-shop food. I'm not big on chunks of meat but I've had that steak special a couple of times and it is not only priced well but is a thoroughly decent meal that'd likely appeal even more to the steak-o-phile who doesn't want to pay $20 or more for the Strip price on a slab of dead cow. I first tried the place on the strength of the word of a friend of a friend who delivers meat around Vegas and claimed that Ellis Island got better cuts of meat than most of the fancy Strip hotel restaurants. It's funky to the max, and the karaoke bar can be intrusive (it seems to attract mainly the tone deaf and very drunk)...I heard that the casino's bare concrete floors date back to the day that management decided to remove the carpet and never got around to replacing it.

Anyway, there're undoubtedly a few places like Ellis Island still hidden away. Food is also cheaper, in general, on Fremont Street and I know Binion's has a good and well-priced steakhouse and that the one just opposite it -- Fremont? -- has cheap food, though the only stuff I've tried there was unadulterated and unabashed junk food, including highly-suspect cheap hot dogs and a decent hamburger. Still, Vegas is nowhere like the town it used to be, and most of the changes -- for all the architectural, decorative, and other overdone splendors of these massive 'theme' hotels -- are for the worst, I think. But even though it's not Vegas, it's still Vegas. Kind of.

Oh, and I would love to share a dark alley with whatever moron came up with the "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" campaign: that slogan meshes too well with an ever-increasing American sense of entitlement to encourage many tourists to believe they can do whatever they want, sans consequences, including treat hospitality- and gaming-industry workers like garbage. Some of these tourists don't need any help with being obnoxious pigs, proving that the 'Ugly American' is an archetype as readily observed inside the USA as it is overseas (a good thing, in a roundabout way, because it just shows that they stand out against their own compatriots and that not all yanquis are of their ilk), and as soon as they catch Metro's eye (or that of casino security, including the Eye In The Sky -- get used to being on camera pretty much all the time in Vegas) they'll see the lie behind that idiotic marketing slogan.

One more thing -- one of the best things about Vegas is its location: the desert. If you get thoroughly sick of the Strip, et al. (and even if you don't), try to get out of town for at least an afternoon, even if it's only as far away as nearby Red Rock Canyon. I work on the Strip, so when I'm through I almost injure myself in the rush to get the hell away from it (thus my relative lack of familiarity with many of the hotels there, some of which I've not yet even entered), but even if your soul's only moderately sapped by the Strip's energy a good walk in the desert is guaranteed to fix what ails you.

So, yeah, I agree with the above point-of-view that Vegas kinda sucks, as a tourist destination, these days but you can still have a good time here, and I hope you do...one thing is for sure: you won't truly believe the place until you see it (and, arguably, you'll quite possibly believe it even less then).
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:25 AM
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34. P.S.:

Forgot to add this web site, that was of use to me when I first moved here and that I've given to visitors as a good way to find out where to eat, where to stay, etc:

http://www.cheapovegas.com/index.php

I think it's a great little resource.

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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:21 AM
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43. Yup, I've been looking at that site for awhile. I've got it bookmarked.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:53 PM
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24. Here we go
1. Learn to play craps on the computer. It's the best odds for the player and it's the best group game going.

2. Most of the other games are for saps. They didn't build all that shit by letting people go home with money.

3. See a cirque de soleil show - any of them.

4. Catch all the free street shows that you can - volcano, pirate ship, etc.

5. Stay away from those guys with all the hooker brochures on the strip.

6. Marvel at what middle america wears and does on their vacation.

7. Sorry to break it to you, but the monorail doesn't really go anywhere.

Have a great time. I went once. I will never go back.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:40 AM
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47. The Hooker "playing cards" were a shock to my system for sure.
I am not a prude by any means, but the dudes out on the street with the hooker ads just blew my mind. At first it freaked me out THEN it got annoying.

I went to Vegas three years ago with Kevsand for a conference he was attending. I am a very visual person and I have got to say I hit overload about 30 seconds after we hit the strip. Too many people, too many lights, and just a lot of input ALL at one time.

I did enjoy the water show at the Bellagio, and the gondola ride in the Venetian was kind of a novelty. I am not a gambler so the casinos did very little for me except it was kind of cool to just see how people act when they are in there. (It felt (to me, anyway) a lot like being in a cave someplace--complete with a sort of nagging claustrophobia. The whole exercise seemed like a lot of people trying really hard to separate me from my money.

Vegas is no place I want to go back to but it was worth seeing one time in my life. I would like to go back to Nevada sometime to see everything outside Vegas.

YMMV.



Laura
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:10 AM
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25. Don't play slots. Play Blackjack.
And don't split 10's. That's just stupid.

Split 3's, 8's, and Aces. That's all.

Good luck.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:12 AM
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26. Head downtown for cheap tables and drinks
kinda old school. Lotsa fun.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:12 AM
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27. Bet everything you own on red!
That always works.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:24 AM
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44. Well, since you put it that way, it sounds like the most reasonable plan. How to get the wife
onboard with that idea though?
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:59 AM
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28. you'll know when you are at the right blackjack table...
when you hand them $500 and they give you back one chip.

THAT'S where the real money is to be made!
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Biscottiii Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:53 AM
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30. Whatever you do, hit this place for buffet - ALSO watch your slots
Okay,too much for a title line.

FIRST off, if you're playing slots WATCH your machine or have someone you KNOW watching for you close by - or cash out before you go potty. Say, you have your coat over the chair to hold your spot and have to make a dash for the bathroom or pick up a drink. Having money still on hold in your machine. The scam artist walks up, hits the button for the "pay out" slip, snags the ticket and keeps walking (no ID reqd for paying that ticket). Sis lost about $63plus when it happened to her. Next day, we were sitting around other slots when some dude dressed in lots of gaudy New Orleans beads & dressed like another tourist, did it again - happened so fast!!! Younger Sis yelled Hey, and he said "Oh, was someone playing this machine?" He wasn't able to snag the ticket, kept walking when younger Sis started yelling for security.

2nd, if at ALL possible . . if you can go to Paris, like some up thread said, it is unbelievable & surreal! BUT, do try to go to the Le Village buffet: http://tinyurl.com/wz4eg

Lines are long, late breakfast if you can time it so you can fall into the lunch crowd offering. It's a WHOLE village with streetlights and all, and the food is unbelievable. Highlight of our trips! I told another of my MBs to try it and they went back daily, plus have added it to all their trips when they have meets in LV. Have fun!
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:28 AM
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35. If you like crab, hit the Bellagio buffet.
:thumbsup:
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:07 AM
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32. The Star Trek experience rocks!
That was at the top of my list when I went.

I'm such a nerd :P
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 04:00 AM
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36. take a ride out to the desert.
you'll see show after show, hotel after hotel, casino after casino.

go out in the middle of nowhere. you'll have that memory for thirty years. (i do)
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:47 AM
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37. Red 17. Everything you own and can borrow. Red 17. You'll thank me.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:56 AM
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39. That's a good way to save money
there is no red 17. 17 is black on a roulette table.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:27 AM
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45. Just like James Bond, I like it.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:51 AM
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38. Comic Lewis Black has some good advice for a Vegas visit.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 08:58 AM by leeroysphits
Go to the casino in your hotel. Get 200 dollars in quarters. Go back to your room, sit on your bed and stare at the quarters for a long time (because it's the last time you'll ever see them).

Go to the bathroom and start flushing the quarters down the toilet one at a time.

Every once in a while the toilet will back up and you'll feel like a winner.

Have fun! :)
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:14 AM
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40. Don't spend any money
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:22 AM
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41. because of casino consolidation it's not a cheap trip, but some thoughts
tropicana is a worn property and, to my mind, i don't like the south strip location so much as the central strip, but since your interest is to visit new york new york without having to stay at nyny and tolerate the roller coaster noise, it's fine

as others say, the monorail is just one example of how over-priced the town has become -- a formerly free service now a rather expensive one for what you get, tried it once after they added the longer route and switched to a paid ticket, and never again, walking is just as fast because of where the monorails stops/picks up and walking is free, taking the bus or trolley if you go any distance is more effective because their drop-off points are usually better

another issue is the awful, terrible pushy times share salespeople in every hotel, even the tiny ones like casino royale, NEVER stop and listen to those people or their sales pitches, they are thieves and prey on old people who are losing their good judgment, the math of buying a times share is just stealing, it should be illegal! -- if you want to buy a condo (NOT a time share, never a time share) just call a damn real estate agent while in town

the people who recommend you visit fremont street missed the part where you're staying on the south strip at the tropicana, fremont street is the old part of vegas and a VERY long bus ride to the north side of town or a very expensive cab ride to the north side of town even if you're not long-routed (which there's a pretty good chance you will be)

many of the free shows suggested -- such as bellagio dancing fountains, etc. are in the center strip -- the mirage volcano was not working as of three weeks ago, not sure when the renovations will be finished, anyway to my mind the best free show is the treasure island pirate battle if it happens to be running

i have walked from mandalay bay (extreme south) to fashion show mall (wynn casino area, maybe north of what we'd call the dead center strip) a number of times, but few people are willing to walk as far as i do -- in fact, hardly anyone does it who isn't doing "hit and run" on the casinos such as for card-counting or comp hustles which you are not going to be involved in -- if you decide to walk you should make frequent stops to cool off and order water in the various casinos along the way -- beverages are free if you're gambling but service is slow compared to mississippi (not clear on whether you've actually gambled in mississippi, your post seems to just be mentioning the river not the state) -- it can be practical to just carry your own bottled water -- tip there are folks who may or may not be documented or licensed selling cold bottled water for $1 outside the entrance to bellagio :-)

assuming you're the average person and that you will be drinking alcohol, which dehydrates in the desert air, i would seriously consider canceling the reservation at the tropicana and looking for something more in the center, if you're really going to walk to center strip and if you're really going to bus to fremont street -- but my guess is that like the average vegas visitor you won't actually do much at a distance from your resort because you'll find plenty of drinking, gambling, and partying without ever leaving the four corners area of the mgm grand, tropicana, new york new york area...

the steals and deals are gone for the average person -- vegas has re-tooled itself to attract the well-heeled gambler from around the world, not the discount seeker -- you are going to be shocked at the ridiculous prices just for a buffet, just not worth it any more, stand in line and then pay through the nose to get your own food, me, i don't play that way personally -- i would never recommend a buffet except to the person who gambles enough to be comped (comped guests have a VIP line which is usually substantially shorter)

you give illinois as your state, do you never play the games at the chicagoland casinos? what you learn playing online doesn't translate well to live play, the craps player who has never tossed a pair of dice is a sad sight, the blackjack player who can't give the right signals -- even the poker player, where it is a given that many younger people have first learned the game underage online -- it just goes more smoothly if you have played live before -- i say get in some live action locally and learn a bit about what you're doing before your trip -- you'll have more fun that way, i think

oh, and while it's true MOST of the deals are gone except for the high rollers, as a little tip, if you like to shop and buy too much at the many malls, you can usually pick up an extra carry-on bag for $5 at casino royale gift shop near harrah's and next to the venetian mall

if the airline loses your luggage, cheap shirts at the same place, and ask your hotel to give you a free amenity kit with toothpase, toothbrush and so on in it

many great restaurants have branches in vegas BUT most of the celebrity restaurants the celebrity chef is not actually ever there, bradley ogden (at caesar's) used to be an exception altho i haven't eaten there in a while -- i guess i recommend to phone first and ask if bradley or his son will be in the kitchen on the night you plan to visit -- if they are, you are in for a wonderful experience (not cheap tho if you are not a comped guest)

good luck!
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:41 AM
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48. Thanks for the wonderful feedback. I really appreciate it.
I've played some of the games locally, gambling isn't really my focus, strange I know, but I just don't have the gambling bug so much. A few hands here and there is about all I expect to play, and a low limit, just to say I did it. My wife is way more confident and experienced, so she'll have more fun. I wanted to bone up a bit with the computer game just so I remembered the strategy and didn't completely look like a fool.

I'm sad to hear the monorail is such a bad idea, but glad I'm hearing it here first so I have time to cancel my tix. I have no problem at all walking long distances, so I think I'll be just fine with walking, stopping. Like you said, I'll probably find enough to entertain myself in my little corner of the world, although with the way everyone is mentioning Fremont St, it sounds like it would be worth the taxi ride to see it.

I mentioned Mississippi, the river, because that's been the boundary of my US travels so far. This trip will be the furthest west that I've ever gone. Sad, yes, but that's why this is such a big deal for me.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:31 AM
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42. The loosest slots are on Fremont St.
The big theme casinos are good to, because they make money on things other than gambling. We found Mandelay to be good, probbly because it is way out on the end. My wife and I struck it slightly rich at the Las Vegas Club, a dive in the "downtown" area.

Don't go for 4th of July or New Years.

Best buffets: Aladin, Paris, Luxor. We were not impressed with TI's buffet. We did like Golden Nugget's. Get there early to avoid lines.

Best shopping: Desert Passage at Aladin, Caesar's Forum Shops. The fashion mall is nice, but it looks like a regular shopping mall.

Do not bring a car. Taxis go everywhere and know how to avoid traffic. There is also a nice rail service that runs up and down the strip. Be aware that the strip area is a lot more spread-out than it looks.

Everything is expensive in Vegas.

Favorite off-strip attactions for me: Liberace Museum, any of the guided daytrips to the desert. We also liked the nuclear testing museum.

Favorite place to stay: Mandolay Bay (I find it less expensive than ones close to the center). The rooms are really nice. The building design makes the view unobstructed. The grounds are really nice. (We went in winter so we did not use the numerous swimming pools). It has a real Roman spa. Plus it has the Shark Reef aquarium and a dedicated shark channel on TV.
Favorite theme casinos: Caesar's. Venetian is really nice too. Also, check out the Star Trek theme Hilton, especially Quark's lounge.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:42 AM
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49. What happens there, stays there
Or so I'm told. Have fun!
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:28 PM
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50. TAKE LOTS OF MONEY!
What you think of as a $20.00 back home is more like a fifty cent piece in Vegas.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:45 PM
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51. When you check in, ask for a room near the elevator
otherwise, you'll be stuck in a room 2 football fields from the elevator (in the bigger places)
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 03:05 PM
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52. well, based on my experiences
with first timers:

1: buy a cheap digital watch. There are no clocks anywhere and phones are frowned on. And if you don't know how you will react to gambling in a casino, you don't want a nice watch to pawn (I've seen it, it's not pretty. I once bought my friend's watch, ring and car for five hundred bucks to stop him selling them to a stranger to keep playing.)

2: budget for the trip and take out enough cash for daily expenses and gambling before you leave home. Request a new, random pin number for any card you use to get cash and leave that number, unopened, at home with someone you trust. (that way if you really need cash for a serious emergency, you can call and get it, but you can't clean out your account on a rabid dry spell) assume you will lose every penny you take with you.

3: when you first get there, look around at the bellagio, for instance, and realize that the floor has to turn a profit, above all expenses, of about ten million a day, on average. Find a sign bragging that for every dollar you put it, their slots will give you 90 cents. If you realize that, and know your gambling money was what you would spend anyway, then you will have a ball. Oh, and take a class in how to play craps, all the casino have them, it's the most fun.

Enjoy!
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