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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:04 PM
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Best engineered LP/CD in your collection:
.....I mean in terms of just sound quality, not clever tricks of sampling or overdubbing etc.

My choice, The Cars and follow-up Candy-O
I listend to them after many years of not, on a good system finally, and you could hear EVERYTHING-- every hit on each component of the drum; every clap of the hand, even some claps where someone clapped not real clean. And eveything was balanced, and not too much compression, if any, because it's not incredibly loud unless you want it to be.

I know some of you will cite Boston 1 etc. but I think that album was over-engineered--two much doubling of guitars, too much wall of sound.

I also exclude 10CC sheet music--a true masterpiece of engineering skill by Eric Stewart, but sound-wise, just above average.

Have at it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:07 PM
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1. Robert Johnson
or maybe Jimmy Rodgers

original recordings
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:48 AM
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16. huh?
Robert Johnson was never recorded in any good way? Some white guy held a mic up to his guitar, and that was about it?

:shrug:
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:57 AM
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17. The way it should be.....
The old single mic days!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 AM
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19. him, his guitar, one microphone
spawnedthree generations of guitar players so far.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:26 AM
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26. And Johnson played facing the corner, not because he was shy (which is a ridiculous...
notion), but because such a configurtion emphasized the mids of his guitar.
I remember when Ry Cooder figured out the reasoning behind that detail several years ago
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:09 PM
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33. yep.
you gotta play the room too.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:12 PM
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2. Electric Light Orchestra... El Dorado
I agree on Candy-O... Love that album. It's what I call "High Fidelity"... not sure such a thing exists anymore.

My grandfather built stereos from scratch... all but the turntables. All tubes too! He did this well into the 80's, then tubes were very expensive and very hard for him to find. I grew up on high fidelity sound... the man was an audiophile like I've never seen since. Today's recordings don't hold a candle. I guess that's why we had to go back so far to find good sound?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:13 PM
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3. PS - did you listen from vinyl?
'Cuz vinyl still rules... CD's can't compete at all.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:58 PM
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4. AJA, of course.
So pristine you could test sound equipment with it, and I think some do.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:02 PM
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5. Beatles, Steely Dan, many things by Flood, and a couple of the Depeche Modes
are pretty darn good.

Of course, Pink Floyd, The Who, etc. Bob Clearmountain and Bruce Swedien aren't any slouches, nor is George Massenburg.

Are we allowed to mention classical recordings? Some vintage EMI, some Deutsche Grammophone, some Telarc, etc.
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:34 AM
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14. i 2nd Depeche Mode
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 12:35 AM by ikhor
they must have had great studio engineering and/or effects back in the early days...

Take a listen to Violator....a lot of the samples they use sound like some 1980's casio reject when listened to the individual sound of the sample, but if you don't actually pay attention the track sounds wonderful. (and not at all dated)

edit: also compare their newest album with Violator.....it sounds like they recorded it on a laptop in their bedroom, Violator sounds like a masterpiece of sound.
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DaDooRonRon Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:19 PM
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6. Anything on 200 gram "heavy vinyl"
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 08:20 PM by DaDooRonRon
Take a listen to any of the Creedence stuff - it will knock yer socks off.

Of course, the Reference Standard for any true audiophile or music geek is Jennifer Warnes's "Famous Blue Raincoat" - but you probably knew that.

Didn't you? :)
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:13 AM
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24. I have Peter Gabriel's first solo effort on heavy vinyl and I agree
with that assessment...
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:01 PM
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7. Liz Phair, Whitechocolatespaceegg N/T
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:17 PM
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8. I have a couple.
Maria Schneider Orchestra - Sky Blue. Phenomenal sound quality, every last detail is audible but not intrusive. Listening to it is like being immersed in the sound.
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DaDooRonRon Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:58 PM
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9. Good grief - somebody KNOWS that CD?
It just came out of the CD player about an hour ago. I never thought anyone could write more challenging big band charts than Bob Florence or Carla Bley until I heard her. She is astounding.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:34 AM
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15. You should check out her other stuff too.
She's been setting the pace for a while now.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:00 PM
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10. Engineering? Gotta go with "Paul's Boutique" by the Beastie Boys
That was brilliant shit from end to end.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:09 PM
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34. A lot of that had to do with the Dust Brothers involvement.
I think it's still the B-Boys best one, and I like all their stuff quite a bit. The feel throughout Paul's Boutique is classic.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:25 PM
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37. Without the Dust Bros it wouldn't have been close to the same.
It was also DJ Hurricane's debut with the BBoys.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:12 PM
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11. There's a few
But one that instantly comes to mind is AC/DC's "Highway to Hell". I don't know who engineered it, but I think George Young produced it. The first time I heard it I couldn't believe what a great sound that the drums had on them. Not one of my favorite albums of all-time, but the sound of that record knocked me out.

There are many others that I have spent countless hours on trying to figure out what they did to get certain sounds, but Geoff Emerick is one of the best engineers that recorded music has ever seen in my opinion.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:14 PM
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12. Besides all the new stuff, Dire Straits
Their records are amazing. Sounds like they are sitting in the same room with you, just jammin' away.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:19 PM
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13. Not my favorite record,
but probably Fugazi "Repeater," engineered by Don Zientara.

Sounds so clean.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:01 AM
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21. Good choice. Shudder to Think's "Pony Express Record" comes close, too.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:01 AM
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18. Tangerine Dream
Granted, Edgar Froese CAN get a bit repetitive now and again, but everything he does is sheer genius on EVERY level.

I'm listening to 'em now. I have almost their entire collection.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:59 AM
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20. "Metal Machine Music"- Lou Reed
And I'm only half-kidding...

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:43 AM
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28. have you heard the "cover" version?
The idea seemed horrible to me, until I actually heard it. Lou Reed must like it well enough, since he also plays on it.... This guy, Ulrich Kieger, by name, made an arrangement of the whole album for a live ensemble. It's very very cool.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:05 PM
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44. whoa!
No I haven't, but I'm looking for it right now. Thanks for this!
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:10 AM
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46. here's a link to it on amazon
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:10 AM
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22. This dj's list:
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 02:12 AM by lildreamer316
Toto - Falling In Between (anything by them really)
Van Halen - Balance
Queensryche - Empire
Alan Parsons Project - Games People Play
Mike & The Mechanics
Chicago - 17
Eric Clapton - Pilgrim
Ace of Base - Signs
Enigma - MCMXC A.D.
Bruce Hornsby & The Range - The Way It Is

just off top of head atm.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:12 AM
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23. Roger Waters- Pro's and Con's of Hitchiking
Eric Clapton and David Sanborn on this... You can hear EVERYTHING... Also was engineered with that 3-D recording technology for vinyl.

A highly underrated album
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:16 AM
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25. 'The Wall'
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:33 AM
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27. Vinyl - Dark Side of the Moon, CD- Brian Eno Another Day on Earth
DSOM is one of the best selling best produced albums ever

I was amazed at how clean the sound was on Another Day on Earth. Eno always knew what he was doing in the studio but this CD really caught me by surprised when I first played it. It can make even mediocre stereo systems sound good.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:47 AM
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29. depends what you mean
I personally like really shitty sounds. I have when producing stuff of my own done things such as recording drum machine onto cassette and then playing that back through a boombox and recording that with a shitty microphone. In that sense, I really like the first few velvet underground albums - especially the 3rd album.

On the other extreme, I'd say it would be the 1980s recording of Bach's "Goldberg Variations" by Glenn Gould.

Somewhere in between I'd place any late-period My Bloody Valentine, from the two post-strawberry wine EPs through Loveless.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:14 PM
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35. Thumbsup.
Engineering is not always just about cleanliness and clarity, but about compelling results. Which is why I listen to music, because it moves me in some manner.

Technically speaking, one of the most beloved instruments of the 20th century, the Mellotron (strawberry fields, court of the crimson king), is a total loss. Emotionally, it is a true winner.

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:58 PM
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40. mellotrons rule
I also should have added everything from early factory records days - I can't think of the producer's name right now though.... the guy who produced all of the joy division albums - the production on those is completely brilliant, but totally weird.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:05 AM
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48. Martin Hannett was indeed a genius
I steal from him with impunity
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:14 AM
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53. Which is why the Alan Parsons Project is my fav band.
He and Eric Woolfson were an unbelievably talented pair!
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 AM
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30. Kevin Gilbert's "The Shaming Of The True"
A particularly admirable feat when you consider the album was put together after he died, so some tracks were based solely on piano/vocal scratch recordings, etc.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 AM
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31. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
I just like Steve Albini's sound and the quiet/loud stuff.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:32 AM
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32. T Edison's "Mary Had A Little Lamb"...
it set new standards for recording
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:20 PM
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36. Dark Side of the Moon
'nuff said.

Other really good ones, let's see... I have a John Williams CD (classical guitar) that's quite beautifully done.

Bela Fleck's "Tales of the Acoustic Planet" is well done as well.
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:12 AM
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52. YES! Engineered by Alan Parsons
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:49 PM
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38. "Electric Music For The Mind and Body"....Country Joe and The Fish....
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:51 PM
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39. Tales of the Iron Mountain by Tony Levin
I forgot about this one. It's a binaural recording done (with the recording engineer wearing microphones on his ears) inside of an old mine in NY State. Totally awesome, musically and engineering-wise.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:10 PM
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45. I agree!
Actually, it was on a visit to Portugal when someone turned me on to this album. I've not heard anyone else mention it until now, 8years later! Great soundscape, this one. :thumbsup:

:hi:
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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:30 PM
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41. Van Halen I
Best damn guitar sound ever. (Well, since Hendrix.)

Each album is different, Eddie's the same, but the sound ain't the same.

Van Halen I is magic.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:40 PM
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42. The classic audiophile darling - The Casino Royale (1967) Soundtrack - also
Rough Mix by Pete Townshend and Ronnie Lane

Beethoven Ninth Symphony, John Eliot Gardiner and the Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique

I also have an old Angel LP. long out of print, of Neville Marriner and the Academy of St. martin in the Field doing Harpsichord Concerti by Haydn and one of JS Bach's sons that is also very well recorded.


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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:46 PM
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43. Who's Next (The Who), Dead Cities (FSOL), Tabernakel (Jan Akkerman)
and Abbey Road (Oasis, if I remember right).

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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:41 AM
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47. I'm gonna have to go with...
Nine Inch Nails - "The Downward Spiral" (Trent simultaneously screaming and whispering on "Heresy" still gives me goosebumps and unlike some NIN albums, it doesn't seem "Overdone")
Depeche Mode - "Violator" (From top to bottom, easily their best album from a craftsmanship standpoint. Plus, it just sounds fantastic.)
The Police - "Synchronicity" (Sting's best vocal performances, IMHO)
Jarabe de Palo - "La Flaca" (This album is good, top to bottom, in every way, shape, and form. It's on every "best of" list I can think of.)
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:07 AM
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49. Michael Jackson, "Thriller".
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:53 AM
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50. Bjork's "Vespertine" listened through headphones
It's truly astounding. The sound is absolutely 360. You feel as if you were sitting in the middle of a choir. The mixing is unbelievable. The sound comes from every direction. Even if you don't like Bjork, it's worth listening to just for the production values.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:02 AM
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51. Roxy Music - Avalon SACD my system test disc
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon MFSL Gold CD
U2 - The Joshua tree anniversary edition 180 gram LP
Joy Division - Closer 180 gram LP
Sigur Ros - In A Frozen Sea LP box set
Emerson Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery DVD-A
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