"We have to show these men and women freedom by enslaving them, and...

[CanuckAmok]

...show them courage by frightening them". --Chuck Pahlaniuk, in Fight Club.

I'm rediscovering this monumental story.

Anyone care to discuss this quote, or anything else by Pahlaniuk?

[AZCat]

1. movie or book?

Watched for the first time last fall, then read the book.
Which are you rediscovering?

[CanuckAmok]

2. Both.

Both are great. Fight Club is as significant to men as, say, "The Bell Jar" or "The Beauty Myth" are to women.

Or at least it should be.

[AZCat]

3. Which ending do you prefer?

IMO- I like the movie ending better. It wraps it up more for me.

[CanuckAmok]

4. Yes, me too.

Have you read "Diary" yet? Rather similar paths in the ending. It seems to be a current theme with him; redemption through death.

[AZCat]

5. I'd wondered about his other works

I have a huge reading stack left over from XMas, and I need to finish that first. Is "Diary" worth it? Is it an earlier or later work of his?

[CanuckAmok]

8. "Diary" is the most recent

So far, I've read Fight Club, Lullabye (which I didn't enjoy), Choke (which I enjoyed, even though it was obviously written with Fight Club's success in mind--it's rather derivitive of F.C.), and I just picked up "Survivor" today.

on edit: I just finished "Diary". A better read than Choke or Lullabye, IMO.

[AZCat]

10. Thanks!

I'll pick that up sometime this spring- need some fiction to intersperse with all the wonky nonf!

[AliceWonderland]

14. Hey now!

You don't have to be a man to find Fight Club very significant. I related to a lot of it, actually -- it's as much about dehumanization as emasculation.

I liked the movie ending, but I think I liked the book ending better.

[CanuckAmok]

15. Mmmm...I guess I meant that...

...it addresses may of the issues of men and their changine (non?) role in modern society. No more hunting, gatering, or even breeding, required. I just found Palaniuk's take on mens' lives refreshingly revealing, without being too academic.

[HEyHEY]

6. Wasn't that Britian's slogan 150 years ago?

:-)

[CanuckAmok]

7. I thought it was Bush's '04 slogan!

n/t

[HEyHEY]

9. Wouldn't shock me. He's stolen everything else.

[CanuckAmok]

11. Not everything... *cough**cough* Tar Sands *cough* *cough*...

Come an' git 'em, Georgie!

[HEyHEY]

13. As long as they nuke Calgary -I'm okay. SLB and Ironflange however...

[CanuckAmok]

12. Not everything... *cough**cough* Tar Sands *cough* *cough*...

Come an' git 'em, Georgie!