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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:59 AM
Original message
Somebody's out to get me
http://www.ronaldreagan.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/f/12/t/000202

And I quote:
I understand TXNavy as I've been trying to catch this un-American (I consider a traitor) for his writings during the war in Iraq.

All I know is he is in the Navy and goes by the handle "Hawker Hurrricane" and I want a piece of him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/07/24_speaking.html

I've got far more disgusting posts that he was posting these via E-mail while he was deployed.

I believe that he was always send these E-mails to his buddy/commrad called "prolesunited".

He also has a 14 year daughter called "speed8098" who is a already a Liberal activist.

I used to have better info on this joker, but I didn't know who to send this info too and I've apparently lost it over time and you have to donate money to the DU in order to use their search feaure and I won't donate one penny to that socialist web site.

I will see if I can dig up the information because it was truly disgusting as he was getting E-mails from random Americans that were thanking him for his service and he was posting these messages of thanks on the DU and spitting all over everyone them with the reply that he wanted to actually write back to them."
endquote

And for the record, my now 15 year old daughter is almost totally non political and does not post under the name "speed8098".

Of course, this guy hates the military when they don't conform to his prejudices. And I'd like to point out that as a 20 year noncom, I know exactly what treason is, and insubordination also. Oliver North is a traitor, selling weapons to our enemies (providing aid and comfort). Insubordination is refusing to obey orders or direct disprect to a supurior. I've done neither.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:11 AM
Response to Original message
1. As a soldier
I always thought that Insubordination was refusing to obey a lawful order.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #1
9. It is.
I stand corrected.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. I do not believe a lawful order has been given since the
"inaguration" of this pretender to the presidency.

Some day, I hope this will be borne out in law.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:16 AM
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2. But these people are not Nazis
Jesus Jumping Christ, that makes me sick.

Really, I actually feel ill after reading that shit.

:wtf: ???

And, I mean, ronaldreagan.com???

How pathetic can you get????
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:24 AM
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3. This Modern day BROWN SHIRT should be reported to the FBI
Lets be blunt this person is acting no different than the NAZI Gestapo trying to track down non-conformers. So far this person is expressing veiled threats. I would at least report that the person is searching for your underage daughter. This BROWN SHIRT might be a child molester. Who in their right mind would bring a 15-year-old girl into such discussions? I’m not joking that is serious bringing up your daughter.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:34 AM
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4. I completely agree
I think we should really start reporting assholes like this to the FBI


Bush wants to crack down on terrorism, religious fanaticism and fundamentalist organizations? Why not start here at home?
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Simple...
It's only radical if he (Bush, Ashcan and the rest) doesn't agree with it.
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:49 AM
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6. What an honor, Hawker!
Guess I need to visit GD more often, with even more truth.

Let's see...I've already labelled the invasion of Iraq a criminal action by a criminal administration bent on global hegemony/oil monopoly/population reduction/cheap labor/xenophobia, led by a dry-drunk coked out sack of shit. Already pointed out that Manifest Destiny dickhead is the most corrupt & destructive world government figure since A. Hitler. Already detailed the murderous and racist intentions of their fundie hatemongering base. Already called out their corporista PNAC puppeteers for the planet-raping, class-warring fascists which they are.

What's a guy gotta do to get some respect?
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:41 AM
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10. Your problem is you don't stand out...
As a military man, I'm supposed to stand in the backround of the great Republican war machine, make cheering noises, and occasionally club down dissidents (like yourself). By not doing these things, I'm a 'traitor'. Traitors are always hated more than mere dissidents.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Color me and my 25 years as a traitor then.
No problem.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Ah, but you are not active duty!
Obviously, the stress of your service has caused your brain to degenerate into liberalism; there is no excuse for me!
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:59 AM
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7. This one is an especially hate-filled site
It makes the Freepers look like amateurs.

(I got a kick out of the "Knute Rockne" forum. Rockne, it seems, was sympathetic to the labor movement and espoused Marxian politics.)

The guy who seemed to post the screed, Finman, is an administrator over there, too. Check it out:

Profile for The Finman
Member Status: Administrator
Member Number: 395
Registered: 10-24-2001
Posts: 6861
Birth Date: 11-05-1968

Yes, it's scary, a bunch of grown men, and military men at that, playing Junior Gestapo Agents, keeping tabs on people they disagree with -- charging them with treason! -- and wanting to "get a piece" of them. PLUS a piece of their teenage daughters.

The ghost of Earl Turner walks among us.

--bkl
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:09 AM
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8. Well of course they are hate filled
They worship two of the most incompetent men ever to hold any elected office at any level: Ronald Reagan and George W Bush.

They obviously hate themselves for worshipping such unworthy idols, and have projected that hate onto the rest of society.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:44 AM
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11. Threatening my daughter is what set me off
I've been 'outed' before (different boards, different screen name), and had a Admiral warn me... not to change my views, but to be more careful about what information I give out since there are 'sick people out there'. The Admiral made no comment on my opinion, and only commented at all because the jerk had gotten ahold of the base PR to 'accuse' me...
(Never again will I use my rank and initials as a screen name!)
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interceptor Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #11
35. Wow
What Admiral was that?!?

(As a DH, I should also tell you to be careful. Stay anonymous, dude!)
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Base commander
I was on shore duty, and it was during the run up to the 2000 election; about mid October if I remember.
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interceptor Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. Huh
Base CO is an O-6. Its where guys that don't get major combatant command at sea go. If he was an admiral at 32nd St. it had to be SURFPAC, SUBPAC, THIRDFLT, some supply dude, one of those guys...
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:47 PM
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15. I bet this FinMan fucker is a coward and never served.
I am hereby calling him out.

Bare fists at dawn - no quarter asked or given.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:51 PM
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16. What about his partner in slime?
TXNavy? As a fellow Texan, he might be easier to find... Of course, he claims that he served (probably did his minumum and resigned, he couldn't take 20 like I did)
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:58 PM
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18. I slap him in the face and throw down the gauntlet.
Nah, on second thought, I fart in his general direction.

Challenging him to a dual assumes that he, or FinMan, have honor, and they obviously have no knowledge of the concept.

These two brownshirt jackbooted cowards are utterly beneath contempt.

For the reference to your daughter, I'd suggest forwarding the matter to the FBI as a thinly-veiled terroristic threat.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. I got 20 bucks on HH!
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 04:03 PM by JonathanChance
With a name like HawkerHurricane, how can you lose?

This guy's obviously making threats at you, I'd inform the proper authorities.
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rppper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. HEY FINMAN...SORRY A$$ED BAG-O-NUTS...READ THIS


FROM ANOTHER TREASONOUS TEXAN NAVY VET......
give 'em hell hawker....he's just another keyboard patriot...a big man behind a monitor.....


SK2/SS, USN, 88-97, submarines
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
17. Is it just me or...
...does it seem HH has grounds for some kind of legal action?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:03 PM
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20. I think you have a case for legal action
Unfortunately, the only way to combat this is through legal action. Someone is threatening a family member of an active duty military person. Forget the politics. Repeat..someone is threatening the family of a military person.

Of course, I recognize the political goals of the insane individual attacking you. But, it is not that complicated. You, nor your family, should be threatened.

That being said, I'm scared for you and your family. :grouphug:

Please pursue this.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:07 PM
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21. Pay these Nazis no mind, Hawker
(except to be prepared for the day when their Brownshirt fantasies are allowed to come out of the closet, then grease yer gun and get ready because 1938 will have arrived)

Of course it's no wonder that this asshole has slurred your daughter. As a mindless propagandized automaton do you think the truth has anything to do with him?

If he could kill you and your family and get away with it like a Lyncher in Mississippi in 1948, you think he would stop at your daughter because his information was mistaken?

I like you, Hawker, but these Totalitarian Monsters and Propagandized Automatons are just a bit too close to "living out their fantasies" for my tastes.

I am a fellow vet and I am getting ready for Totalitarian Darkness to fall and for gutless cowards like The Finman to crawl out from under his rock when the darkness is at it's most pitch.

Don't be caught by surprise like a Jew in nazi Germany in 1939. Now, as then, the Brownshirts are giving us plenty of warning about what they'll do when their unchecked power is consolidated...

(sorry I don't have more cheer to spread, but that's how I see it)
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:11 PM
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22. Uh oh!
I've been cavorting with enemy traitors. :eyes:

They haven't done anything about this since November, so they had probably lost interest. However, I'm sure this thread will get back to them.

When some creeps at another similar-type site stole my DC rally pics to post and make fun of us, I posted here about taking legal action and guess what, they magically disappeared.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:25 PM
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23. His Name Is Michael Delp
Here's his love letter to Cowboy Ronnie

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/5/t/000005

The Finman

Administrator
Member # 395

posted 11-30-2002 02:52 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mister President,

I cannot hope that you would remember me, but in 1970 when you started your re-election campaign in San Jose, Nancy visited Sgt. Larry Charles, Sgt. William (Bill) Robinson, and myself, Cpl. Michael Delp in Oak Knoll Naval Hospital. Bill and I were invited (by Nancy) to your "kickoff" campaign dinner. You honored us as "American Heroes" from Viet Nam. Before the dinner, you talked to Bill and me for some time and I have never forgot what you imparted to us. Currently, I am very successful in the computer industry, and have been so for many years. I often think of the time that you spent talking to me and am very grateful for that time. You gave me the confidence to do the best that I can.

I do not expect that you would remember this, but I want you to know that you are always in my prayers and I am forever honored and grateful for the time that you gave to me in 1970.

I understand the trials that you are going through now and hope that you will find some comfort in the knowledge of my prayers.

All my best,

Mike Delp
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Wait a sec
doesn't his profile state he was born in 1968? Then a) how did he serve in Vietnam, and b) meet Ronnie Rayguns in the VA hospital in 1970?
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:30 PM
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24. Internet bullies are one of the lowest forms of life
I love these useless, loudmouthed assholes who are all tough-guy when they're hiding behind the anonymity of a screen name. The majority of the tough-talk bullies I've actually encountered have been pasty, unsocialized, chickenshit little shrinking violets in person. They're the kind of guy (and most ARE male, but there's some females that do it too) who live in Mom's basement, eating frozen pizza and drinking Jolt cola, and they think they're hot shit because they rule at Doom. Pathetic. Really pathetic.

I would bet money this chickenhawk SOB has never done a day of any kind of public service in his life - including military duty - unless it was court-ordered for shoplifting Ho-Ho's from the Circle K.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:39 PM
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25. SICK BASTARD
including info about a teenage daughter (doesn't matter if it is true) is sickening beyond belief. Better a socialist than a facist asshole who apparently doesn't understand that dissent is part of what it means to be American.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Skittles, let's you and me
go KICK HIS ASS! Goddam loudmouth bully.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. YOU KNOW IT GENIPH
it is sickening how low these fascist thugs will go
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:09 PM
Response to Original message
28. Well the topic is gone now
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 05:17 PM by Kamika
It was apparently too strong even for those guys


Here's how to be a internet tough guy btw

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1936
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Good Lord!
The thing was up for months before it was brought to my attention (Thanks, Proles!), and is gone within 15 hours of my posting about it here?

I wonder if I can get other posts pulled.
This is an awesome power, which I must use for good...
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Use the force, Luke!
That's some kinda power you got going on there!
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. See, I told you
they would read it here. There are spies among us. :P
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:11 PM
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29. Sweet Jesus HawkerHurricane!
I would definitely report these two numbskulls to the FBI. They didn't indeed threaten you and your family, even if it's indirectly.

You don't deserve that, no one does.

And don't stop your dispaches from the deck, they are sorely needed today.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:51 PM
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34. yeah, track them down

There's nothing like outing cyberstalkers to their own kind.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:14 PM
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39. Nail him. He really crossed the line by mentioning your daughter.
Jeez, Hawker, this freedom-loving, flag-wrapped jackass really appreciates our country's free speech, since he wants to silence yours, and yet be able to threaten you at the same time.

Tell the owner of the site you're considering legal action.

The poster who made the threats is an *administrator* of the site, which implies at the very least a degree of personal responsibility. Well in his post, he mentions:

"I want a piece of him"
"I've been trying to catch this un-American (I consider a traitor)"
"He also has a 14 year daughter"
"I used to have better info on this joker"
"I will see if I can dig up the information"

I'm not an attorney, but this is an extemely obvious, publicly-made, personal threat -- harrassment at the very least.

Sorry you're taking one for the cause from these weasels. Hang in there, Hawker.

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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Not worth the effort...
If he posts something similar again, I'll consider legal action.

He's mighty brave in cyberspace, the flameboy is.

And, by the way, Mr. 'I Love Ronald Reagan'... to quote a great Republican...

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public.
-President Teddy Roosevelt

Just because I wear the uniform does not mean I wear a gag.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Well said, HH...
I can only imagine how infuriating this is to you. Totally understand your not wanting to pursue at this time. Makes sense.

Terrific TR quote and *very* appropriate.

Best to you -- :toast:

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:46 PM
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42. Don't stop talking, Hawker.
I am disgusted.

This individual wouldn't recognize service to America if it rose up and bit him on the ass.

:thumbsdown:
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. I don't intend to stop talking
Although, let me make it clear to any lurkers that these opinions are my own...
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:17 PM
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44. is the picture on the page of your link Ollie traitor North??
and on the homepage, isn't Raygun drinking????
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. That's Ollie all right...
The man who sold weapons to a country that was at war with us, then used the money to illegally fund a group of terrorists/guerrillas in Central America... And did it to influence another group of terrorists after the President (St. Ronald) swore that we didn't/wouldn't make deals with terrorists...
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