If I hear one more time...

[foreigncorrespondent]

...that the Mass ruling is going to destroy the dem chances in November, then I will just as likely go stick my head in the oven, with the gas turned on.

Don't people realize that by saying that, they are actually showing the lack of confidence they have in their chosen political affiliation?

I mean, there are a hell of a lot bigger issues which need to be dealt with. The repukes are choosing what issues are important and what issues aren't important for this coming election, and we are sitting here fighting amongst ourselves letting them get away with it.

Gay marriage is just a spit in the ocean compared to all the wrongs Bush* has done since stealing the election.

Don't people realize that it is against the constitution to deny any one person the right to a life with the person they want to settle down with? The Mass supreme court realizes it.

Unless you are gay, then you have absolutely no idea of what it is like to be facing being deemed as a second class citizen. I can tell ya, I might not be an American citizen, but if Bush* is allowed to get away with skirting the real issues and choosing to hang on the marriage issue, then the passing of the FMA will affect me as well. I would have lost all chances of ever being able to settle with Sapphocrat in the United States. Because the downfall of LGBT rights won't just stop with the passing of FMA, that will just be the beginning of the assult against our rights.

[Dennis Quaranta]

1. Kerry Opposes Gay Marriage

How can they run with this issue? Kerry opposes gay marriage.

[izzie]

2. My if I hear once more is 'job gone start your own business."

Is that funny or what?

[krkaufman]

3. Agreed.

And we should be able to capitalize on Bush's touting it (gay marriage) as a major issue in the face of:

• record deficits and debt,
  
• a steady stream of jobs flowing OUT of the country,
  
• impending social and medical crisis in the country due to insufficient resources for Social Security and spiraling medical and drug costs,
  
• mounting civilian and military deaths in Iraq,
  
• Osama and Al Qaeda running free for 2 years since W diverted our resources to his oil liberation project in Iraq,
  
• no substantial improvements in homeland security,
  
• demoralized and nearly broken military ranks due to overutilization, false promises, and misuse,
  
• a breakdown in international cooperation due to *Administration* deceit,
  ...
  

Same as the Mars proposal. Smoke and mirrors to distract from the Miserable Failure's miserable failures.

[displacedtexan]

4. Here's what I don't get...

Being a 'straight-but-not-narrow' Democrat, I don't understand why Court House judges can issue "marriage" certificates. Why aren't those "civil unions?"

If fundies want to own the word "marriage," they should have to abide by the church baggage that should come with that ownership: no divorce EVER; excommunication for adultery, no refusal of marital duties (sex on demand) EVER; etc.

I also don't understand why the Unitarian Church is prohibited from issuing "marriage" certificates to gay couples who "get married" there. It is an old, established denomination. The founding fathers were mostly Unitarian (non-trinitarians). Surely, they never meant for fundies to own the definition of "marriage" as a legal covenant. They specifically included the separation of church and state in order to prevent either party (church or state) from infringing upon the other EVER.

Just my opinion.

[terrya]

5. I would seriously like to hear the opponets of gay marriage explain WHY

Gay people marrying would threaten "the sancitity of marriage". How? How would gay and lesbian couples, who love each other and want to honor their committment and enjoy the same basic privleges as heterosexual couples, possibly violate "the sancitity of marriage"? There's a 50% divorce rate in this country. And that's OUR fault?

I'm convinced the rationale of the opposition of gay marriage by the fundie groups is simply a hatred of homosexuals. Gay marriage would officially legitmize gay relationships. It would say, essentially, that "yes, gay marriages are valid. Yes, they are deserving of respect." And some people just can't seem to handle that idea.

Terry

[beyurslf]

6. It's simple.

If gay people get married then the children of our country will think the lifestyle is not a hell bound hedonistic trip and will want to partake in it. It is really just a recruiting tool by the gay powers that be. They don't want to marry. Everyone knows gay people don't believe in being monogamous and just want to bring as many people into their lifestyle as possible. They just want to get married so womyn can wear tuxes and guys can wear dresses.

Once being gay is ok because of marriage, straight people who get divorced at a rate of 50% (yes that is half of marriages) may decide to marry someone of the same sex. My oh my. The recruiting never ends. If we do this, soon people will marry goats and dogs. How do we stop the pedophiles who want to marry their victims?

And what if gay marriage actually worked? I mean, if gay people get married and don't get divorced as much as the straight people do.... why they mightbe given credit for fixing what was broken!

I'm telling ya, it is the end of all civilization if we allow gays to be recognized and marry.

<ok sarcasm off now>

[FloridaPat]

7. All these Democrats have to say is it's states rights and let's

talk about dead soldiers because of lying president. What is with the Democrats? For years I've been saying they are just a show party the republicans installed to make the people think there are two parties in this country.

[Sapphocrat]

8. Or, to put it another way...

Don't people realize that by saying that, they are actually showing the lack of confidence they have in their chosen political affiliation?

Don't people realize that by saying that, they are actually propagating the meme?

See also: "self-fulfilling prophecy"

[foreigncorrespondent]

13. Oh that is just brilliant...

...and very true as well.

[Redneck Socialist]

9. It may end up helping us.

Here's why: Chimpy absolutely has to come out strongly against gay marriage or his fundie base will have an aneurysm. If he doesn't, a significant number of them will not vote this fall. If he does then the more BushCo has to pander to his nut bar, freakazoid base the easier it will be for us to paint him as an extremist. I may be being a bit overly optimistic in regards to this issue, but I think it really can end up helping us.

[foreigncorrespondent]

11. Oh I agree with you, 100%.

That is basically what I have been saying all along. Bush* has his knickers in a knot over who wants to marry who, when the economoy is down the crapper, and millions are unemployed, with a lot not receiving any form of unemployment cheque or income right now. He lied about the war, etc, etc, etc. If he goes with this, then the left can most certainly paint him as an extremist who is more worried about marriage than the people of America.

[rucky]

10. Didn't even get a minute to celebrate the victory in Mass

nt

[foreigncorrespondent]

12. No! We most certainly didn't.

But the exact same thing happened, when the Mass. supreme court ruled about it last year. And as well with the Lawrence v Texas ruling.

It happens every single time when something good finally happens for the LGBT community. It is sad really.