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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:55 PM
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If a man was on a train traveling
Edited on Tue Jul-08-03 04:55 PM by Iraqi_guy
100 miles per hour....and he got up and walked 1 mile per hour in the direction the train was traveling...would that man be moving at a velocity of 101 miles per hour?

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derrald Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:36 PM
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1. ack! relative velocities!
in relation to a certain fixed point, he would. But, in relation to the train, he'd be moving 1 mile an hour.

Technically, in relation to the sun, we're all traveling at some ungodly thousands of miles an hour.
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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:38 PM
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4. so
the answer is yes?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:44 PM
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14. No...
the answer is either "yes" or "no," depending on the position of the observer.
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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:46 PM
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15. no
I'm assuming its the speed relative to someone sitting on the ground watching the train go by. i already gave the speed relative to someone sitting on the train.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:50 PM
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16. In that case...
Yes.
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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:50 PM
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18. exactly
.
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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:36 PM
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2. Statistically,
Edited on Tue Jul-08-03 04:37 PM by Iraqi_guy
14 of you look at this without rating it...
Why?

Actually wait....please answer my first question first....
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:38 PM
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5. yeah, it can be very frustrating
one time I hosted a public domain mp3, that got downloaded 3,000 times, and a whopping 12 bothered to at least say something about it.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:37 PM
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3. relative to the earth excluding rotation
yes, I believe his speed would be 101.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:39 PM
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6. yes
compared to something.

the thing that will really twist your brain is this:

imagine the same train. One man sits still, the other walks forward. If they are both wearing headlamps, then is the light from the walking man moving faster than the sitting man's light?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:41 PM
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9. there would be mostly undetectable, but still valid
red shift effect.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:50 PM
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17. Almost true
You are thinking of special relativity where relativistic addition of velocities applies. It is always true as you point out, but for velocities much less than c (speed of light), it reduces to the familiar Galilean relatively of grade school story problems. See the following link for more details (including an example of a person walking on a train, LOL).

http://landau1.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109/lectures/adding_vels.html

Red shift,on the other hand, occurs if a light source is moving away from an observer at a substantial fraction of c.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 05:03 PM
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21. doh, yeah, I totally jumped to that conclusion
the light is completely independent of the train, the walker is on the one in direct contact
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:42 PM
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12. Yes, it moves faster than the speed of light
Einstein forgot to carry the 2.....
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:53 PM
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19. The light is moving at the same speed....
The position from which the light moves is changing.
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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:54 PM
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20. ahhhh
nice.....very nice oberservation.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:40 PM
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7. No
Edited on Tue Jul-08-03 04:48 PM by JVS
Here it is Read this:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_095.html

W= (u + v)/(1 + uv/c^2)

W is final velocity, u and v are the velocities being added and c is the speed of light.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:40 PM
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8. If you really want to break a speed record
When the jet is at altitude and cruising at max speed, sprint as fast as you can from the rear section towards the cockpit and time yourself. Let us know how you make out if you try this. :)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:42 PM
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11. that's mean
although make sure you scream so you teach everyone about the doppler effect
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Iraqi_guy Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:43 PM
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13. yes
because I have a jet sitting around not being used.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:41 PM
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10. Depends if the train driver is on drugs or not, doesn't it?
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:09 PM
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24. You got a lot
of detention in Math class, didn't you?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 08:08 PM
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22. Answer: Yes

101 MPH. Taking into account, of course, the minor effects of relativity.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 08:49 PM
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23. Yes.
But he's moving 101 mph reletive to a stationary observer, only if he is moving 1 mph in relation to an observer on the train.

If he is moving 1 mph in relation to the stationary observer, then to the observer on the train HE'S MOVING AT 99 MPH TOWARD THE BACK OF THE TRAIN!

Relitivity is trippy.
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:19 PM
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25. You said Velocity, not Speed
So you can solve this problem with vector addition.
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