Stay classy, Jet Fans

[FredScuttle]

I don't know what's more sickening - the mouthbreathing knuckledragging animals who lead this halftime "show" or the security force and Jets organization that lets it continue because of "free speech laws"??? :wtf:

Since when did sexual harassment (and assault) come under the 1st Amendment?

"At Jets Game, a Halftime Ritual of Harassment"


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/sports/football/20fans.html?em&ex=1195707600&en=da6029e940e216f7&ei=5087%0A

[alarimer]

1. What a bunch of fucking pigs

In what universe is it acceptable to harass women that way? Sometimes I hate men. I really do.

[IndianaJones]

2. who is your team? nt.

[FredScuttle]

5. Not that it matters in the slightest

but the Buffalo Bills. We don't make females run a gaunlet of sexual harassment and ask them to flash their tits.

Besides, it's too cold for that shit.

[driver8]

12. Bills fan here, also. n/t

[malta blue]

3. I hate Jets fans....

When I was 18, I went to a wildcard game and was pulling for the other team - one of the players on the other team was a client of my dad and had gotten us tickets.

I was assaulted by two men as I was leaving. My dad was walking ahead of me and did not hear nor see what happened. I was grabbed by the hood of the sweatshirt and they started shoving me around. Another man stepped in to help and I managed to get away from them and take off towards the exit.

Ever since that day, I detest Jets fans...

:nuke: :nuke:

[FredScuttle]

7. They should rename the Meadowlands "the Cesspool"

or the "Garbage Dump"

What a uniquely grotesque and ugly arena.

[malta blue]

8. It really is disgusting.

I don't know what they felt they were going to accomplish by tormenting an 18 y/o girl - I was a skinny, nerdy thing. It wasn't like I was in a shouting match with them or anything.

F***ing pigs - and my brother is a Jets fan too - I don't really like him that much anyway :P

[FredScuttle]

9. Jets fans are pigs

and they're pretty pathetic too...2nd class citizens in their own stadium.

[_testify_]

15. I'm sorry you went through that.

It's inexcusable. No one should have to do endure anything other than some good-natured ribbing.

We're not all like that, I promise. My family has season tickets and we were really hoping for the stadium in Manhattan because it would have put an end to the all day binge drinking that is otherwise known as NFL tailgating.

[malta blue]

40. I know I should not judge all Jets fans by these thugs.

It was truly one of the worst moments of my life. And I am so glad my dad was far ahead. He is older and I am not sure what would have transpired had he gotten involved in the melee.

And since you are a DUer, I am sure you are a classy Jets fan. :hug:

[_testify_]

52. Thanks.

I can promise you my dad and brothers are good guys as well, and we'd have intervened had we seen that happen to you or anyone else. You're right to call them thugs. Real fans understand that we represent our team every bit as much as the guys wearing the uniforms. Even moreso!

:hug:

[LynneSin]

4. Hell, perhaps the Eagles Court needs to move to New Jersey

at least our drunken assholes were just beating up each other - not sexual harassment.

Free Speech? That's bullshit - it's no different then if I screamed fire in the middle of the stadium. There are laws to prevent sexual harassment. What if those men on the ramp were screaming racist comments - would security just sit there and do nothing screaming "free speech".

If I'm correct (and a legal expert can correct me). This is not a public place. This is a venue where if you purchase a ticket you abide by the rules of the venue or risk expulsion. The venue owners just need to enforce it and kick these pigs out of there.

[FredScuttle]

6. Imagine if you wore a "IMPEACH BUSH & CHENEY" shirt

They'd 86 you out of the joint quicker than you can say Jack Robinson.

[Blue_Tires]

10. well, they DO have to watch the Jets play

that in itself is its own curse...and if it came down to a choice of what i'd rather watch, the nip-nips win 10 times out of 10...

More surprising is the fact that the team/stadium security is at best condoning through indifference or at worst covering up for drunken loutish behavior that if left unchecked, will eventually escalate to groping and assaults...Real quietly, I would not be surprised if Jets ownership got a call from the commish asking them in no uncertain terms to straighten this shit out in the name of good PR...But then again, Goodell only seems to want to drop the hammer on individual players, not team owners...

let's hope the knicks fans don't start picking this up from their team's example

[FredScuttle]

11. Knicks fans need only look at their own ownership and management's behavior

for examples of how to treat women with dignity and respect. :sarcasm:

I half-expect this ridiculous behavior from Jet fans because they're assholes anyway....what shocks me is that the team (and the league) is letting this fester without lifting a finger to protect their customers.

[DS1]

13. If that were true, there should have been mid-inning gangbangs at every Red Sox game

before 2004


(replying only, of course, to your title)

[FredScuttle]

14. kick for pig Jet fans

n/t

[_testify_]

16. Broadbrush much?

[FredScuttle]

20. It wasn't an isolated incident

or one or two fans ruining for the bunch

It's 4 concourse levels of asshole pigs who think they're at the Puerto Rican Day Parade circa 2000

[_testify_]

22. It's not just NY, and it's not just the Jets. It's an NFL problem.

It's the goddamn nonstop drinking before, during, and after the games. I really believe that.

[FredScuttle]

23. Agreed

but this is horrific.

[burythehatchet]

28. give it a fucking rest

[FredScuttle]

29. You're right

pointing out Jet fans are a bunch of classless pigs is redundant.

[burythehatchet]

32. I'm a Jets fan and you're an anus.

[FredScuttle]

33. Don't you have some women to harass?

n/t

[burythehatchet]

46. don't you have a life to live?

I've found that when someone adopts a judgmental, holier-than-thou stance on a issue, its usually an effort to suppress their own feelings of inadequacy and self-hatred. This is especially true when the individual has a less than solid understanding of human nature. In other words, Thou doth protest too much.

[FredScuttle]

47. I am holier-than-thou

I have no qualms and no problem stating that I'm a better person than a bunch of classless animals who look forward all week to the glorious 1/2 hour they get on Sunday to stand on the concourse at the Meadowlands and verbally assault female strangers. That is when they're not graduating up to actual assault on females.

I'm interested to hear I have a "less than solid" understanding of human nature. What biology or sociology class did I miss where they covered how it was OK to yell at a total stranger to show me her tits? Or forcibly molest a female at a football game?

[burythehatchet]

64. Here's a good place to begin

http://www.amazon.com/Crowds-Power-Elias-Canetti/dp/0374518203

Its a book by the prize winning writer Elias Canetti called Crowds and Power. Its a groundbreaking work analyzing the dynamics of crowd behavior. Interestingly, Jets fans were not singled out in his work. Perhaps you could write an epilogue.

I realize it will be a bit more dense than freshman sociology, but you did ask. And no, you're not holier than me or anyone else, you just haven't matured yet. Sure, your nuts may have dropped but you may be in an extended awkward phase. Hang in there.

[FredScuttle]

66. That's rich...a lecture on maturity from a Jets (and Mets) fan

Ha...I'm sure you'd appreciate the irony of it, if only you knew the definition of it.

I'm not sure what your objection to my OP is....are you mad that I'm calling Jet fans as a class a bunch of uncontrollable animals or do you think I'm unfairly lumping in innocent Jet fans with the obnoxious Neanderthals who wandered in from the swamp, totally unrelated to the football game, who decided to reenact the 2000 Puerto Rican Day Parade on Concourse D?

[burythehatchet]

69. Never mind ... you seem fairly retarded ... carry on.

[FredScuttle]

70. If was truly "retarded", as you so eloquently put it...

I would be wearing a white jersey with green stripes and standing on Concourse D at Giants Stadium, yelling and spitting at female strangers.

In other words, I'd be a classless, piggish NY Jet fan.

[_testify_]

17. Here's some Bills fans calling a kid a 'faggot'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNy7XlOAHmQ

Fucking pigs, right? RIGHT?

[DS1]

18. and they paid dearly for it 2 days ago

:)

[_testify_]

19. Heheh no kidding!

I tell ya, I'm gonna watch the Jets-Pats rematch through my fingers. I'm kinda worried about how bad the ass-kicking is going to be.

They've stopped the 'Who's better? Manning or Brady? stuff on ESPN. Now it's Brady vs. Montana!

[SoxFan]

35. After the Jets-Pats game...

It'll be Montana vs. Unitas for second place behind Brady.

It's going to be the first NFL game with a disclaimer warning viewers about scenes with distrubing violent imagery.

[_testify_]

50. You may be right.

If we lose by 3 touchdowns I'm considering it a victory! :)

[DS1]

68. hahahah!

disclaimer

[FredScuttle]

21. Not really the same as 4 concourse levels of pigs verbally attacking women, is it?

not to mention INSIDE the stadium with the tacit approval of the security forces and the team.

Jets fans are animals. We've always known it, but now we have proof

[_testify_]

24. Whatever.

Have a nice day, Fred.

[FredScuttle]

25. Yeah, whatever

I know the female football fans of the NY Metro area have something to be thankful for this weekend....no home game for them to be verbally and physically attacked by a bunch of animals.

[KamaAina]

26. Meanwhile, at the same stadium, fans lost their season tickets for throwing snowballs

of course, that was the other team that plays there, the Giants.

[FredScuttle]

27. Strange how the "No Fun League"

and its member teams (and associated arena security forces) let sexist animals have all the fun they want, eh?

[madinmaryland]

30. Dumbasses from New Jersey.

:grr:

[devilgrrl]

31. NFL fans in general are a bunch of knuckle-dragging assholes.

I'm a Bills fan and stopped going to the games because of all the drunken assholes at the stadium.

You never see shit like that at college games. That's why I'm glad Los Angeles doesn't have a NFL team. And Los Angeles is glad too!

[FredScuttle]

36. It's gotten much, much worse

Bills games are just one long sequence of drunken assholes calling everybody a "faggot"...the opposing team's coach, the QB, the star receiver, the fans, etc. Then, you get the fights in the stands in the 3rd quarter. I stand there thinking "I could be toasty warm at home with a nice bourbon, watching this on TV"

[underpants]

39. I went to the first game in the new Baltimore stadium

what was that '98?

Anyway it was against the Steelers. Kordell was playing then and I got to know every intimate detail of his day to day life from some VERY knowing fans :eyes:

Seriously it was so bad that there is NO WAY I would ever take a kid under the age of 16 to a game.

Fights every where. Grown men fighting in the middle of the afternoon.

After the opening kickoff I was standing there-everyone had stood up for the first kickoff- and I heard the guy in the row right behind me (with his family who all looked remarkably alike) just screaming at some "*(#$sucking FAGGOT" to sit down. I thouhgt,"Man that guy is mad at SOMEONE" I then looked around and I was the only one still standing up. I sat down- I had thought that we would stand up for most of the game, apparently not. I was with my work so I did get all manned up and kick his ass....yeah that's it.

[FredScuttle]

43. While I'm not so naive to think that this only happens at an NFL game

I have noticed the whole atmosphere at a football game is much, much uglier than a baseball or NHL game. Hell, even soccer fans in Europe mix in some cleverness and wit in their vulgarity (see the chant they used when Beckham was still with Man U. about his wife's predilection for sex in an uncomfortable place) and ultra-violence.

NFL games, to me, seem like one long homophobic, misogynist, anti-social circus where the contest on the field pales in attention span and interest to the contests in the stands to see who can get drunkest quickest and start fights with total strangers for no earthly reason.

[devilgrrl]

55. I was shocked to learn that the 49er's have obnoxious fans.

We went to see the Bills play the 49er's in San Francisco a few years ago. These four young male yahoo Niners fans sat behind us and were immediately loud and obnoxious - annoying everyone around them - Bills and Niner fans alike. Then they all pulled out cans of beer they smuggled into the stadium. One of them opened a can, covering the guy sitting next to me with beer spew... He laughed it off, which really set me off and I knew right then as the game went on that these jerks were going to get way nastier and out of control. So I went up to the ushers, told them that they brought in cans and pointed them out. As they were looking, one of the yahoo's was taking a nice giant swig from his smuggled can. The cops were then called and away went the yahoos - much to the pleasure of everyone around them, the crowd applauded as they were escorted out.

This is the kind of thing you'd expect in Cleveland or Buffalo, that's so not the kind of "San Francisco Values" that I'm used to. :crazy:

[LeftyMom]

62. Yeah, but that's definitely the exception and they were removed.

For the most part Niner fans are polite, informed and there to watch the game and have a good time. I've been going to games at the 'stick since I was a kid, and almost all of the fights and bad behavior I've seen (and I haven't seen much) came from fans of other teams- mostly drunk Cowgirls and Cheddarheads back in the nineties.

And let me tell you, back when all the seats were season tickets, if you let somebody use your seats and they were an ass, you'd hear all about it from your neighbors (and you sit next to the same people for years and years, you get to know them pretty well) for a long time afterward. As a result, there was a real incentive to screen anybody who was going to use your seats carefully, your reputation was at risk based on their behavior. Now that there are single-game seats readily available, that sort of thing might be less self-policing in sections with a high proportion of single-game sales to season ticket holders, but down in the better seats there's still a definite code of decorum involved.

If people want to make drunken asses of themselves, there's a place for them across the bridge.

[DS1]

37. You mean fans that go to see the game, or all fans 'in general'?

I'm just wondering if you're throwing out another one of your giant GD turds

[devilgrrl]

53. A lot of the people that go to the games... the decent fans are the clear minority these days...

or so it seems.

[DS1]

54. Ok thanks

[devilgrrl]

56. I consider myself a decent fan. I assume that you are as well?

:-)

[DS1]

59. Of course

I was bored to death at a Giants or Jets game once in the 80s. That's the only one I've ever seen live. Now I just watch at the local bar sipping black and tans or coffee.

[underpants]

34. Is there a socio/economic breakdown of Jets and Giants fans?

I have always wondered about this.

Are certain parts of the NYC/NJ area mostly Jets or Giants fans?
Is there some sort of breakdown between white collar and blue collar?

:shrug:

[regularguy]

38. Used to be that Giants tickets were

much harder (read: impossible) to get than Jets tickets. Probably still is the case. Maybe it's just easier for your average a-hole to get Jets tickets (maybe the corporate types humiliate women more discretely). I'm not sure that the fan bases are mutually exclusive like Mets/Yankees.

[underpants]

41. Okay that leads to the second question

Mets and Yankees. Are Mets fans mostly more affluent AND Jewish-maybe it is Jon Stewart and Seinfeld being such fans but it always struck me that the Mets were the more suburban team and the Yankees were the Bronx-Italians/Irish/what have you team.

THis is a GROSS simplification I know.

[regularguy]

44. Mets fans used to be Dodgers and

New-York-Baseball-Giants fans. Yankees fans have always been and tend to live (or their parents did) in some place called the Bronx. When you're about five your parents tell you which team you'll bee cheering for. My folks were from Brooklyn and were huge baseball fans and I wouldn't have even known the Yankees existed if I didn't read the sports page. I haven't been a NYer for decades so I don't know if there's any sort of demographics going on nowadays.

[_testify_]

49. Both teams have fans that run the gamut of all socio-economic levels

I don't think it's really possible to pin down what makes a fan. My father is from Brooklyn. He's a Yankees fan. My brothers and I were all born in Queens. We're Mets fans. And all of us are Jets fans.

I couldn't tell you why my brothers didn't become Yankees fans. I'm a Mets fan because they won the WS when I was ten years old and just beginning to appreciate sports.

Apparently I'm a Jets fan because I'm a pig? Or I'm a pig because I'm a Jets fan. I dunno, you'll have to ask the OP.

[underpants]

58. I see

thanks

[FredScuttle]

42. I would be interested in that data

I couldn't even begin to guess what the demographic breakdowns are for each team's fans (location, income level, level of education, ethnicity, etc).

We can reasonably conclude there is a much richer and prouder contingent of Giants fans (who've been a championship pro team in NYC since the 30's). On the other hand, the Jets basically only have the 1969 Super Bowl to hang their hat on....in the 48 seasons the New York Titans/Jets have been in existence, they've only had 15 winning seasons and only 6 playoff wins since their '69 miracle.

[underpants]

45. Thanks for that info

Yeah the Jets don't have a very great history do they?

[FredScuttle]

48. The Bills aren't much better

21 winning seasons out of 48....but at least they have a 52-42 edge in games vs. the Jets :evilgrin:

[sasquatch]

51. In the fictional book "semi-tough" they explained it by stating-

Giants fans are from all the high end parts of town (Manhattan, Staten Island) while Jets fans are from the lower end burroughs (Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx). Supposively this is true.

[underpants]

57. Ah

thanks

[soleft]

61. Staten Island is high end?????????????

[_testify_]

63. I thought the same thing LOL

I was like, SI is the red-headed stepchild of the Boroughs!

[rug]

71. Tthey're both in New Jersey.

[soleft]

60. Don't they kill referees in Europe?

:shrug:

[Mad_Dem_X]

65. How nauseating.

What a bunch of assholes.

[FredScuttle]

67. And the security and the Jets organization twiddles their thumbs in the corner

n/t

[redqueen]

72. Can't wait for tomorrow's game.

:evilgrin: