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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:33 PM
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Poll question: Are using curse words and being literate mutually exclusive?
Edited on Tue Jul-31-07 05:09 PM by redqueen
I certainly think not... but apparently there's a good number of people who see those two traits as just that.

What say you?
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:36 PM
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1. Using curse words well requires literacy
Ben Folds is one of the most literate songwriters of his generation. But he has quite the potty mouth.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:38 PM
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2. Apparently. But those people suck fucking ass
:D
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:39 PM
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4. That's disgusting!
:wow:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:38 PM
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3. Only when makin' love.
:yoiks:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:40 PM
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7. Is it hard to curse, read, and make love all at once?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:49 PM
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11. it depends on what you're reading...
:rofl:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:40 PM
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5. that's just a lie spread by wimpy english teachers.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:56 PM
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16. Or nineteenth century schoolmarms
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:40 PM
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6. That would depend on whether you are a child or an adult.
Since children haven't formed a well rounded vocabulary, then yes, the two are mutually exclusive. Even many adults have such a limited way of expressing themselves that they have to resort to the base form of expression. Some adults can incorporate curse words into their speech and be quite literate.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:44 PM
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8. That's an incorrect assumption
Since children haven't formed a well rounded vocabulary, then yes, the two are mutually exclusive.

No. I was a book-worm as a child and I enjoyed using cursing around my chums and my dad. It was another language that we used. MANY people are like this, not just adults.

Thinking use of "base words" is a sign of illiteracy is a form of snobbery.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:23 PM
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28. Just because you did it doesn't make it excuseable.
But then, anyone can justify doing anything. As for children having a well rounded vocabulary? Don't make them out to be adults, because they aren't. The haven't had the years of education and experience that makes them well rounded individuals. I read a great deal, as a child; just about everything I could get my hands on, and, although my vocabulary was more expanded than the average child my age, in no way could it match that of an adult's.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:04 PM
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31. No, it isn't just me
And your attitude smacks of snobbery. Vocabulary should not be a measure of your status in society.

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:57 PM
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45. It has nothing to do with snobbery or status.
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 02:00 PM by Joe Fields
And you are right. It isn't just you. Therein lies the problem. And to be quite clear, I am only talking about children.:eyes:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:04 PM
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46. No, but misspelling IS a sign of illiteracy!
I'm not going to tell you what you misspelled.

Ironic, huh. :rofl:

Bake
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:20 PM
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48. Ahahaha...
You're mean!


Besides, it's blatantly obvious. :P
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:45 PM
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67. You know, anyone , even the brightest of us can misspell a word,
now and then. I wasn't going to get into your spelling, word usage or grammar, but since you have decided to take issue with my spelling, and try to infer, because of one misspelled word that I am illiterate, then what's fair is fair. Oh, and I won't bother pointing out the misspelled word. And, looking back through your posts, I see you have a great deal of trouble with usage, and especially punctuation.

redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-31-07 02:08 PM
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98. Yeah... well... *I* think so, but...

obviously it still appals and sickens many.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 10:33 AM
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71. I laughed at a joke. Sorry I hurt your feelers.
Go ahead, make fun of my spelling, usage, grammar... I don't give a shit.

I'm not the one with a stick up my ass claiming that other people are 'less than' for stupid, meaningless bullshit.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:48 PM
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9. My child is quite literate, thank you.
You should work out some kind of scoring system so you can tag people with "literate and cursy" or "just a dumbass all around" and shit like that.

;)
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:48 PM
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32. Are you always this extreme and snarky, or is this just my lucky day?
I hope you're not this way around your child.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:57 AM
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33. Ooooooooh... "I hope you're not this way around your child."
NICE!

:thumbsup:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:49 PM
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10. Of fucking course not
Any assbucket who would attempt a charge of non-literacy at me would be rendered impotent unto a litany of decimating verbiage.

FUCK, yeah. :headbang:

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. dude...
<3

I love you...I mean, I FUCKING love you...assbag. :D
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:03 PM
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19. I love your fucking ass, too
bitch. :D

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:05 PM
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20. fuckin' a, yo!
:D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:50 PM
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13. Literacy only enhances your potty mouth range.
:rofl:
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:51 PM
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14. No, in the absolute sense curse words and literacy are not mutually exclusive, but
Excessive use of curse words is less than ideal. Curse words are great when expressing very strong emotions or for effect, but they should not be a routine mode of expression since if they are used too often, they lose the effect that a curse word should have on the psyche.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:05 PM
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21. The effect that a curse word 'should' have...
so the intent in trying to shame people into limiting their use is in order to preserve the shock value?

Interesting...
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:17 PM
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25. I wouldn't say it's shameful to use a curse word too often
I would only contend that there isn't much point in using a curse word when you don't have to. If someone who routinely uses curse words curses, I don't think twice about it. However, if someone who rarely uses a curse word curses, then I notice it and realize that person is really expressing some deep frustration or emotion.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:12 PM
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24. Bingo
You get people who constantly talk like, "I fuckin' went to his fuckin' house, like he said, and the fucker wasn't fuckin' there."

Much more effective:

"He asked me to meet him at his home at 3:30 in the afternoon. I was quite prompt, but he hadn't arrived and did not during the several moments I waited. I consider that extremely fucking rude."

:D

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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:17 PM
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53. "eloquent profanity"
When asked by his nephew about his profanity, (George) Patton remarked, "When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity.

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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:17 PM
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26. I think this needs a copy edit
"Excessive fucking use of goddamn curse words is less than fucking ideal. Fucking curse words are muthafuckin' great when expressing very strong fucking emotions or for fucking effect, but they should not be a goddamn routine mode of fucking expression since if they are used too fucking often, they lose the muthafuckin' effect that a goddamn curse word should have on the fucking psyche."
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:54 PM
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15. No, I've always argued that profanity should be a privilege of the articulate
I have an extensive vocabulary, and "motherfucker" and its brothers are only a tiny portion of it.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:59 PM
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17. obviously NOT
:blush:
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:01 PM
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18. Nope.
:hi:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:07 PM
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22. billyskank!
:hi:

*smooosh*


Hmmm... no yes votes? That's odd...
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:07 PM
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23. *smoosh* back
:D
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:22 PM
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27. Fuck no.
A) I hate prohibitions of words. You might as well just say that all painters are forbidden to use green.

B) Smart, literate people of my acquaintance are able to really USE swear words and make them work in marvelous ways.

C) Restrictions on speech are restrictions on speech. Irrespective of whether the wannabe censor is a prude, prig or snob, it's all the same bullshit.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:27 PM
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29. Hell no!
Some of the greatest authors use all manner of profanity.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:44 PM
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30. WHO WANTS TO F-IN KNOW??
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:59 AM
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34. Fuck yes.
Everyone who fucking curses is a shit-eating, cocknecked, ass-eyed pile of monkey felch effluvia.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 10:00 AM
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35. "felch effluvia"
That'd make a great band name.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 10:33 AM
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36. What can I say?
I've gotta be good for something. B-)
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:07 PM
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47. "Cocknecked"??? Damn, that's a new one to me!
Fucking hooray for literacy!

:rofl:

Bake
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 12:15 PM
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37. That would be news to Jeff Chaucer, Bill Shakespeare and
Jim Joyce.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 12:17 PM
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38. I don't believe so.
I think it more likely that a vocabulary consisting mainly of expletive will be found in the less literate.

I'm fairly literate and work with a great many literate people. Sometimes nothing quite satisfies like a good "Fuck!"

(I just know some wag is going to read that last sentence and offer to help me out. )
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:52 PM
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43. Is 'wag' a good or bad thing to call someone?
I've never heard that term before...

And c'mon... you set it up that way on purpose!
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:45 PM
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49. Wag:
11. a person given to droll, roguish, or mischievous humor; wit.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wag
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:00 PM
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39. My grandfather used to say...
My grandfather used to say, "Each curse word a person knows is the net subtraction of three IQ points." (He also said, "We already have an Ignorance Tax-- it's called the Lottery!" but that's for another discussion...)

I'll be honest-- as I move through my widely varying circle of friends, I've noticed the more educated and literate the person, the smaller the amount of foul language.

As for me, if I find myself cursing, I try to realize that there are existing non-curse words that are better suited, more emphatic, more civil and much more precise in meaning than the common and predictable 'f*ck' or 'sh*t'.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:02 PM
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40. Ahhhhh... at last!
Are you the person who answered "Yes"?

Thank you for your honesty!
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:15 PM
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41. Well.... yeah. It was me.
Well.... yeah. It was me.

But before I get piled on, I judge only myself for the language I use-- my example was simply an observation I've made re: my acquaintances and friends.

And yes, I do curse-- but I try not to.


As an aside-- it's easy to be honest on a message board; put me in a room full of my peers and my answers might vary.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:24 PM
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42. Easy to be honest... easier to avoid!
(There are more who share your opinion, they're just not here in this thread, apparently.) :hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:06 PM
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52. Wow - the total opposite of my experience. And I frequent the top philosophy depts in the world...
... which is pretty much the cream of the intellectual crop.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:30 PM
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54. That sounds so sexy.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:37 PM
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55. And there's plenty of cussing to boot!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:46 PM
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56. Cussing intellectuals...
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 04:46 PM by redqueen
now that's my cuppa tea! :D
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:47 PM
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57. lol! Being around us drinking might just be too much for you then.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:45 PM
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64. in the best way possible!
:7
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:14 PM
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59. Well, I'm the first to admit that I don't...
Well, I'm the first to admit that I haven't hit the world-wide philosophy hot-spots ("...is that martini half empty or half full?" or "if no one is around to see her dancing topless, is she *really* dancing?" :evilgrin: ), and my friends and I would probably be considered merely a step or two above the benighted, the half-educated, and the sub-literate.

But like you, I only go off of my own personal experience, and that's the great thing about people's experiences-- no two are alike (although I humbly submit that my naive and ingenuous sentiment might clearly be wrong...)


:toast:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:26 PM
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61. As my grandmother used to say...
"If you don't have anything nice to say, shut the fuck up."
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:43 PM
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63. Sounds like a woman who didn't talk to often...
Sounds like a woman who didn't talk to often...

:)
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:57 PM
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44. Goddamnit, why the hell would you fucking think of such a shitty thing?
;-)
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:46 PM
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50. No, using curse words just means you're low class.
:sarcasm:

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:47 PM
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51. Fuckin hope not, sayeth the Ph.D. Philosophy, M.S. Mathematics person.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:50 PM
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58. I've seen studies where the use of too many expletives reduces vocabulary size.
Personally I curse like a sailor though.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:23 PM
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60. Well hello there!
:hi:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:47 PM
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68. How are you?
Or should I say, damnit, how the f--k are you?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 10:34 AM
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72. Fuckin great, thanks! How the hell are you?
:D
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:37 PM
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62. Redqueen, I fear our society is being ruined
by illiterates like Kurt Vonnegut and Ray Bradbury. Please... Think of the children!

Won't somebody please think of the children? :crazy:
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:11 PM
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65. It does make one seem more ignorant
And lower class. That isn't necesarily the case, but that is how many people feel. My language has regressed a bit since I was in college, but I try to make an effort to talk "properly" especially amongst people who speak "properly".
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:20 PM
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66. cursers are freepers
weLcome to ignore disrespectqueen!!1!
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MysticalChicken Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:03 PM
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69. No...
I curse a lot (though usually when I've just fucked something up) and I've been able to read well since I was two years old (yes, two!), so I'm obviously not illiterate. (Besides, if I were, I wouldn't be able to post on message boards...!)
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:05 PM
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70. no
:hi:
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