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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:44 AM
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Magic words on TV worry Rapture Ready crowd.
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 08:46 AM by Deep13
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=297730
I don't know why I find that Rapture Ready message board so fascinating. I guess I have a morbid curiousity about how tightly they can be wrapped up in their delusion. In this string, many RRs express concern and even outrage over magic words. The 3rd Commandment in Exodus says something to the effect of, "You shall not use the name of the LORD in vain."* Now, in English versions of the Bible "LORD" in all capitals is a code word for one of the numerous Old Testement names of God like YHWH, Tetragrammeron, Eloi etc. By contrast "Lord" with a capital first letter is NT term for Christ. The word "lord" in small letters is a common noun used in the fudal sense.

*As a side note, what does "in vain" really mean?

In ancient times, words were thought to have intrinsic meaning beyond mere symbolic representation. This especially applied to written words which seemed magic to a largely illiterate public. One problem with this assumed fact was that words could be used to invoke spirits, imposes curses, invite disasters and influence disease. A wrong word might send a flurry of demons to blight ones crops. Of course, the most potent magic word of all was the name of God. Consequently, the use of that word as an interjection was verboten.

This brings me to me point. The RR thread I have here obsesses over what is or is not blasphemy. They are shocked to hear "Oh my God" in a TV ad. This is despite the fact that "God" is a generic term and not the name of God. They go one toexplain the extent they obsess about interjections even when they intentionally omit all references to religious matters. When someone says "Oh, my gosh," it is just as bad because the speaker is thinking "Oh, my God." They also equate bra ads with "filth."

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"I even hear Christians from my church - outside of the church grounds - say 'OMG'. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the phrase, 'Oh, Lordy'.

"I was convicted here recently to not even say, 'gosh', 'golly', or 'qahh' - becoming convinced that it was tantamont to taking the Lord's name in vain."





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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:36 AM
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1. I visit the RR site every day for amusement.
It is unbelievable how people can be so delusional and self-righteous.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:28 PM
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2. Oh I havent checked the index lately...
Holy smoke! it had a -1 change... Im safe for another week!!!


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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:55 PM
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3. Really, even with chocolate Jesus in the news?
wow.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:01 PM
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4. The NFL is doing that, too. "Thou shalt not take the name Super Bowl in vain."
Has to do with licensing rights. Oddly, I'm of the opinion that the Third Commandment was written for similar reasons.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:00 PM
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5. wow. Just... wow
from another thread:

It would be a good time to put evolution on trial. There is more evidence against it than there is for it. They are still teaching outdated and false evolution information from Darwin's day.

There is more proof today than ever that evolution is all made up. It takes more faith to believe in it than it does to believe in an intelligent designer.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:11 PM
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6. BZZZT! Oh, we were looking for "natural selection."
Let's see how much you wagered. Oooh, too bad.

It takes more faith to watch evolution happen in from of your eyes than it does to believe the speculations of bronze-age priests.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:04 PM
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7. Yeah, that meme is getting popular in the "intelligent design" world
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:52 PM
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10. Hopefully they'll use the peanut butter argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

At least I wouldn't fall asleep but I would have to bleach the urine stains out of my panties from laughing too hard.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:41 PM
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14. Just watched the peanut butter video.
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 09:44 PM by Deep13
My friends, I have been a fool. This simple and eloquent argument has convinced me that I have been blind to the divine origin of life and fooled by the arrogance of science. The fact that nothing crawls out of a new jar of what is euphemistically called peanut butter* absolutely and conclusively proves that life must have a divine origin.

I know for a fact that the a uniform jar of commercial peanut butter has exactly the same environmental conditions as the early Earth: peanuts, sugar, corn syrup and a bunch of crap specifically designed to prevent new life from spoiling the product. It's exactly like the hot, sulfurous environment of the early Earth. It has also been proved that life only had a hundred years or so to come into being before time was up and it lost its chance. There is obviously no way that billions upon billions of chemical reactions occurring globally for millions of years could possibly have resulted in one single self-replicating amino acid. Absolutely no way!

I, therefore, renounce evolution and will devote the remainder of my life to spreading the truth of creation: the world was created in a cataclysmic fight between the gods of ancient Rome and the Titans. Praise be to Uranus, father of the universe!

Hey, wait a minute. How do we know there isn't knew life in that jar.

*Read the label. Does all that crap really come from a peanut?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:43 AM
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22. There's just one flaw with the Peanut Butter theory
a jar of peanut butter only lasts about 2 days in my home so how do we know they're right?
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:42 PM
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31. Same here.
Skippy Super Chunk never has the chance to settle in and make a home on my shelves. We eat it too fast.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:48 PM
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32. Skippy Honey Roasted Peanut
Smooth - don't like the chunky variety of it
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:55 PM
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33. My daughter doesn't like the honey roasted.
Me-I don't pass up the peanut butter, especially Skippy.

A few months back there was a huge sale on Peter Pan and I purchased six jars. Every last one was recalled. Serves me right for turning my back on Skippy for a good sale!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:01 PM
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37. "Every last one was recalled."
Was it because new life had evolved inside the jars?
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:07 PM
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43. I wonder if they heard about this video,
got pissed off and decided to punish us all.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:41 PM
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30. What if the seal were broken
while it was warehoused in an extremely hot environment. Could mold form?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:26 PM
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42. PB is a miracle compound.
You can attract and catch roaches and mice with it, as well as three year old kids.

You can use it as a natural paste to hold bird seeds up on a bird feeder (but I don't know if the specialists like that).

If you have a washing machine that has had a large jar of minced garlic dumped into it (my recent saga with my autistic child), a half dozen bath towels drenched in PB (from cleaning it off the cabinets, floor, counter and ceiling of the kitchen) gets that garlicky smell out better than vinegar or baking soda.

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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:28 PM
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8. ""in vain" means as an expletive. For educative purposes here are
some examples:-
Jesus fucking Christ.
Jesus!
Hallefuckinlulia!
OMG!
etc etc
I hope this is helpful.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:18 PM
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11. Those are interjections, not expletives.
Expletives are not any part of speech, but are added to a sentence to improve how it reads or sounds.

Ex.1: "Sweet suffering Christ, will you shut up!?"

"Sweet suffering Christ" is an interjection.

Ex.2: "I can't get the fucking thing to work!"

"Fucking" is an expletive because it adds nothing to the meaning of the sentence, unless, of course, the "thing" is a vibrating dildo. In that case "fucking" would be a verbal, a verb used as an adjective.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:23 PM
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13. There is no limit to the education available on the board.
Thanks.
:headbang:
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gizmonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:28 AM
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20. You Bastid! You owe me a new keyboard...
and screen. :P

Do you *know* how hard it is to get coffee and muffin off these things???!!1 I just about snarfed all over my desk too!

You're a funny son of a bitch -- but you prob'ly know that.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:36 PM
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9. If you were bored and had time, you could have alot of fun with
that site.
Create a "spiritual problem" and wait for the advice.
:popcorn:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:20 PM
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12. Hmmm, create a dilemma ...
... as a sort of Dear Abbey letter with a reasonable and humane option that is not religiously acceptable versus a horrible, but Biblically correct option.

Well, I don't have THAT much spare time.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:48 PM
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15. That would be like tormenting a small animal
Most of the posters over there have the IQ of a marmot.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:52 PM
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16. I like marmots.
They whistle and stuff. The first time I heard one I thought the wind was tricking my ears. I was hiking at Mt. Rainier and I usually live about 8" above sea level.
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gizmonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:32 AM
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21. 8" above sea level?! Dammit, Stop making me laugh!
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 09:33 AM by gizmonic
My desk now looks like a coffee pot exploded on it!

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:

:yourock: :headbang: :pals: :loveya:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:03 AM
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17. I've been tempted to do that.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:10 AM
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18. OMFG!
:rofl:
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:18 AM
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19. golly, gosh, darn....I must be in real trouble then.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:48 AM
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26. That's for goddamn sure!
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KiraBS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:07 AM
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23. They would have fainted at my church on Sunday....
The priest was talking about the woman caught in the act of adultery and described it as "skirts up, knickers down and block most likely jumping out of the window."
And this was at the 5 am Mass too.

And I have heard our Priest say "Oh My God" to but I also remember when I was a Girl Guide getting into huge trouble for saying that, with the Guide Leader and her husband, who was driving the mini-bus at the time.

And when did they start showing bras on women or bra ads.. did America not get the famous wonderbra "Hello Boys" add in the 90's. It was on billboards in the high street.

I once had an arguement with a Fundie in a chatroom, she thought it was sinful to go topless on the beach, to even see naked breasts, I told her to never, come to Europe in the summer, because the beaches and lakes are full of naked and topless sunbathers, when it is hot.Thats why those people are so anti-Europe, Europe scares them because even strong Catholic countries such as Spain and Italy have beaches full of nude women and children too.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:20 AM
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24. "Spain and Italy have beaches full of nude women "
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 11:33 AM by Deep13
I have just decided to move to Spain. B-) (I chose the smiley-face with sunglasses because it is proper beach-wear.)

So when this woman was caught in the act of adultery, was her accomplice caught too, or was he invisible?
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KiraBS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:59 AM
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28. The point of the man in that adultery case was made
on Sunday too as a link to the poor, injustice and slavery. This is a 74 year old, much loved Jesuit priest and it was the talk of the parish for a few days, people having to explain to their children what adultery was on their way home. It is most likely why Jesus (whether you believe he existed or not the story does) let her go and called them on their hypocrisy because it takes two to commit adultery and they had only grabbed the woman, who was more than likely not the married one.

Yes you go to the Costa Del Sol, The French Riviera, a Greek Island or anywhere on the Med with a beach and most women are topless. Most young girls just wear bikini bottoms, it is normal. Also if you go to resort swimming pools, lakes or The Black Sea.
I had my first foreign holiday on a Greek Island when I was 9 and nobody wore bikini's,my mother was topless, as I said it was very normal, though t-shirts are good to give your skin a break and good sun protection is vital.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:16 PM
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29. "... t-shirts are good to give your skin a break ..."
Yeah, since I'm about as white as Conan O'Brien. I usually have to wear a Chernobyl outfit to the beach since they don't make sunscreen SPF 9000.
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KiraBS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:21 PM
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40. Those are the people that tend to go to Ireland or
Wales for their summer holiday's because the sun isn't out that much in those places and they don't have much call to go topless.

The point was trying to tell a Fundie American that I have been on a beach topless, I have seen many women topless on holiday and I am not corrupted, deviant and that many European Christians are not demon possessed when they go to the beach. It is almost a right of passage, going topless on the beach in Europe and sad when you see beautiful golden Swedes or Danish women, that you wish that you could look like.
To this fundie, rapture believing American, even going to such a beach, would be sinful and maybe she has a point because it is unlikely that her husband or teenage sons have seen that much flesh and would be hard the whole time and be very interested in photography.
All the Europeans in that chatroom where incredulous that she could see it like that and be so parnoid about see naked breasts. Imagine what it was like when she was shown pictures of Danish nudist beaches.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:22 AM
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25. Oh my gosh! I read this while watching a bra ad, and all I could think was....
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 11:22 AM by Left Is Write
"Blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah. Blah."
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:58 AM
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27. It's enough to make my head ache
Bra ads are filth but topless women are an abomination.

"Gosh" is now equated with taking the lord's name in vain, at least according to one person who was "convicted" of this. I wonder if they burned him at the stake.

What if the "Oh, my God!" in the tv ad was in the context of "Oh, my God, this is an ad for BRAS!" Would that make it okay?

I think these people have way too much time on their hands.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:56 PM
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34. Take the Bible and apply it directly to the forehead!
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 01:57 PM by Deep13
Directly to the forehead!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:59 PM
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35. I'm fascinated by the RR boards as well
I wonder - do they have a lunacy test where people pass if they can only show how completely delusional and batshit crazy they are?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 02:57 PM
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36. Yes, but it has to be the correct delusion.
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 02:58 PM by Deep13
My recently acquired delusion that the gods of ancient Rome created the universe in a big fight with the Titans will not get me invited to the RR in-crowd. See post 14.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:07 PM
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38. wow, they really don't like catholics!
that site is just craaaaaazy.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:18 PM
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39. wow, just wow. don't people have anything better to do?
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:23 PM
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41. If you want to really get them stirred up
Ask how many of them have their kids make a wish before blowing out the candles on their birthday cake? That action is a simple form of candle magick and would make any pagan proud!

But, unless their preacher tells them so, they never think things through!

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