I decided to let my daughter be baptized Catholic.

[commander bunnypants]

I have never been Catholic but I attend a recovery church. www.northstarcommunity.com

My wife is an E/C Catholic but she attends the recovery church also.

Her mother was a strong Catholic.

SSSOOOOO

It is all good

Commander bunnypants

Actually Guvna Kane of Virginia attends the Catholic church where she will be baptized

[Shell Beau]

1. Well good!! Hope it is a beautiful ceremony!

:)

I was christened Episcopal! Very similar.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

2. I was baptized at 27 and I'm very glad

I wish the best for your daughter

:thumbsup:

[hedgehog]

3. E/C CAtholic?

I just want to warn you, you might have trouble getting the child baptized unless you make arrangements for her to be raised as Catholic. We've come away from the notion of Baptism as a magic ceremony to remove the curse of Original Sin so you can get into heaven. Today it's viewed as an initiation rite welcoming the child into the community. I know it's going to sound nasty to say that the Church will refuse Baptism, but it's not a matter of exclusion so much as a demand for commitment.

[Deep13]

4. What's "E/C"?

"...it's not a matter of exclusion so much as a demand for commitment."

Isn't that the same thing in effect?

[hedgehog]

5. I think most Americans feel they have a right to participate in any

religious ceremony regardless of belief. I'm not talking about attending a wedding or funeral but actual participation. Look at it this way. You would never expect to walk up to a group of Hopi and take part in one of their ceremonies, why should it be any different for a Catholic Baptism? The Church welcomes everyone (although some clerics are rather poor at this!) but Baptism is a serious event, not just a photo op. The parents and god parents make serous promises about how they will raise the child.

Granted, there are many families who show up at Church for the following events only: Baptism, 1st Communion, Confirmation, Weddings, Funerals, Christmas (maybe), Palm Sunday (maybe), Easter Sunday (maybe). many people wonder if children should be accepted for 1st communion if that's the only time they're ever going to be at Church. Generally, the decision is to accept them and hope things work out. However, I do know of grandmothers who have been told that they an not sneak the grandchild in for Baptism without the parent's approval. I also know of grandmothers who have made arrangements with the parents and the parish to have the grandchildren baptized because the parents agree to allow the grandmother to take the child to Mass and teach the child the Catholic faith.

[Deep13]

6. So we agree. What's E/C?

Some sort of ecumenical thing?

[hedgehog]

7. That's what I'm wondering.

I thought I knew all the Catholic code words, but that's a new one on me!

[commander bunnypants]

8. Easter/ Christmas

My wife is a registered catholic or something.

It is pretty liberal as far as a Catholic church is concerned. She spoke to the priest and is under the imperession I am allowed in. I just cant say anything. :)

CB

[Breeze54]

9. A "Liberal" Catholic Church???

Is there such a thing?? :shrug:

I think not!

"She spoke to the priest and is under the impression I am allowed in."

What does that mean?

[commander bunnypants]

10. Dont count it out

and I was just joking. I am allowed in and can speak.

[Breeze54]

15. Of course you're allowed in!

:rofl:

You'd be allowed in a regular Catholic Church too! ;)

[Midlodemocrat]

11. Mine is very liberal.

Except for the assholes who go there.

[commander bunnypants]

12. cool

although I prefer my home church.

Good Ham and Cheese biscuts


CB

[Breeze54]

13. But

wouldn't a 'liberal Catholic Church', sort of, be protestant? ;)

:shrug:

[commander bunnypants]

14. Dont know

sumthin with the sacrements I quess. :shrug:


CB

[Breeze54]

17. Who knew?? They have a website!

Welcome to the Liberal Catholic Church International

http://www.liberalcatholic.org/

snip-->

http://www.liberalcatholic.org/about/

How We Worship
Our main page has a mini-calendar that shows you feast days.
The LCCI does not always follow the same schedule of other churches,
such as the Anglican church and the Roman Rite.

[rug]

27. It owes more to theosophy than it does to catholicism.

In the late 1880s, two separate efforts began that would eventually cross paths in a synthesis that resulted in the Liberal Catholic Church.

H. P. Blavatsky spent a lifetime studying and teaching about the soul's journey. She incorporated ideas and techniques from a wide variety of sources, including Western occultism and Eastern Buddhism. Blavatsky and a few of her close friends settled in Adyar, India, and opened a center for studies. This came at a time of great interest in spiritual growth all over the world. Charles Darwin's book on evolution was still new and a best seller. Spiritualism and Mesmerism were all the rage. Blavatsky's group, called The Theosophical Society, was popular worldwide. It still exists today.

In Australia, one person with a knack for clairvoyance and mysticism -- Charles W Leadbeater -- became interested in The Theosophical Society. He even moved to Adyar, India, to work more closely with the society's founders.

Theosophists drew from all religions as well as their own spiritual insights. So did Charles Leadbeater, but he began to see that Theosophical lessons learned about the soul brought his own Christianity into sharper focus. Some say he "Christianized Theosophy," while others say he "Theosophized Christianity."

http://www.liberalcatholic.org/history/lcci/1-groundwork.asp

[Midlodemocrat]

16. Dear God, no.

A liberal church focuses on the corporal works of mercy and social justice.

[hedgehog]

18. The Catholic Church is a pretty big tent, almost like the Democrats!

That's what "Catholic" means, although there are those who would insist that only some sort of Latin ritual based old style Church with a strict punitive attitude toward sex is "really" Catholic. For example, did you know that the official reaching is that couples should follow their consciences as far as birth control is concerned? Generally the teaching goes like this: "YOU MUST NOT USE ARTIFICIAL BIRTH CONTROL!!! (smallest letters possible)unless after prayerful consideration you find that you must."

I was concerned that if the OP or anyone else was ever refused Baptism by a priest that they understand what would be behind the refusal. I think in practice it only happens when someone sneaks the child away from the parents for a secret Baptism. Like I saud, Baptism isn't a magical ritual to remove a curse; it's the way people are welcomed into the Church.

[hedgehog]

20. I love my new word for the week: E/C CAtholic!

We're in the process of combining parishes because we're running out of priests. At the very first parish council meeting, I pointed out that neither church building is big enough to accommodate the combined overflow crowd at Christmas and Easter. I got the feeling that the priests thought that the E/C Catholics deserved to be shut out. Unless they plan on handing out tickets, I'd like to see how he plans to ensure us 52 week a year Catholics get to attend these Masses!

[Midlodemocrat]

21. My old priest used to call them

Paschalini and Natalini

Italian, I think, for Easter and Christmas.

He was a swell guy. :eyes:

[hedgehog]

22. Somewhere someone has written a book comparing the attitudes

of (old style) Irish Catholics and Italian Catholics.

[Breeze54]

23. What difference? We all went to the same church!

Isn't it Roman Catholics vs Greek Orthodox etc. ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church

The Catholic Church is a worldwide organization made up of one Western or Latin and 22 Eastern Catholic particular Churches, all of which have the Holy See of Rome as their highest authority on earth. It is divided into jurisdictional areas, usually on a territorial basis. The standard territorial unit, each of which is headed by a bishop, is called a diocese in the Latin Church and an eparchy in the Eastern Churches.

Divergent usages attach a certain ambiguity to each of the terms Roman Catholic Church and Catholic Church. Some, especially Eastern Rite Catholics,<7> apply the term Roman Catholic Church only to the Western or Latin Church,<8> excluding the Eastern Catholic Churches.<9> As for the term Catholic Church, Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, Old-Catholic, and other Christians claim to be, or to be part of, the catholic Church (often writing "catholic" with a lower-case 'c' to distinguish it from the Roman Catholic Church). For their understandings of the term, see Catholicism, Catholic, and One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

[hedgehog]

24. I'm referring to the perception (whether it's true or not, I don't know)

that the Italian American priests tended to be more easy going about the rules than the Irish American priests. I think it's one reason that for years the Irish Americans dominated the hierarchy because they were more likely to listen to Rome. I think it's the difference between coming from a background where the Church is under siege (Irish American) and one where it is part of everyone's life (Italian American)

[Breeze54]

25. It was/is a huge part

of both the Italian and the Irish today and when I was growing up. ;)

[Richardo]

19. Congratulations!!

Best to all of you! O8)

[RevCheesehead]

26. Nope. She will be baptized as a CHRISTIAN.

The baptism will take place in a Catholic Church, a DENOMINATION.

:hi:

[Critters2]

28. True enough. Where ya been? nt

[RevCheesehead]

29. Hiya, Rev!

I've been churchifying. And Mahjongging. :hi:

[Critters2]

30. I've never mahjongged.

I have been doing more reading, and less internetting lately, though.

Hey, are you in the International Association of Women Ministers? Going to the convention in Wisconsin next summer?

[RevCheesehead]

31. Nope.

I get kinda uncomfortable around the uber-feminists.
The WI clergywomen in our denomination aren't the friendliest people, either.

Where and when is the convention? And are you going to be there? Maybe I could meet ya for lunch or something.

[Critters2]

32. I forget the name of the place...

Sinnisawa or something. A retreat center northeast of Dubuque. I'll look it up.

I don't think of the IAWM as uber-feminists. Mostly working to help women get ordained in denoms where they aren't yet. We've been ordaining women since 1853, so I feel some responsibility to those for whom it's still just a dream.

I'll hunt up the info.

[Critters2]

33. Here it is...Sinsinawa

July 16-19

http://womenministers.org/?q=node/3

[RevCheesehead]

35. Oh sure - in the opposite corner of the state!

I hope you have a great time!

[BikeWriter]

34. Hmm, I have dozens of recovering Catholic friends.

[idgiehkt]

36. thanks for that link on the recovery church

sounds very interesting, I'd never heard of one like that. :hi: