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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:58 PM
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What is the most confusing thing about the English language?
I say the contraction for "will not". If you go by the rules for all other contractions it should be "willn't", but instead it is "won't".

It just doesn't make sense! :crazy:
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:01 PM
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1. "...ough"
Through - Threw
Bough - Bow
Trough - Trof

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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:02 PM
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2. You saw that 'I Love Lucy' episode too, huh?
:toast:

But you left out "rough" (ruff).

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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:18 PM
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5. Was that in "Lucy"?? I thought I was stealing it from Galagher..
:shrug:
:toast:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:11 AM
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21. It was the one
where Lucy insisted they all take diction lessons after hearing Ricky practice reading a bedtime story, so the baby wouldn't pick up any bad pronunciation habits from them.

The story Ricky read had "bough," "through," "rough" and "cough" in it. He mispronounced them all, reasoning that the -ough sound was consistent. Silly boy.

"Well, I know it can't be 'cow'."

:rofl:

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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:10 PM
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3. Good one
Another one that confuses me is "an" followed by a long vowel sound. If you follow the normal rule "an" is followed by a word that starts with a vowel, but not always.

... an electrician - ok
... an ace - ok
... an universe - nope
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:20 PM
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6. Yeah.. and, isn't it "An historian"? I always see it as "A historian" in papers lately..
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 01:25 AM
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24. an historian is right.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:52 AM
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33. Wrong. It's a historian.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:51 PM
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51. Correct, Rebel.
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 09:57 PM by Kajsa
'An' is used when the noun begins with a vowel.

ex; An apple, a pear, a banana, an elephant.

The exception is 'u', which can be preceded by both
'a' and 'an'. 'A' is used when it's a long 'u' as in 'university' and 'union'.
The short 'u' as in 'understanding' is preceded by 'an'.

Yes, it's complicated!

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:56 PM
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53. Not entirely - an historian is correct in british usage; american is a historian.
Also, "an" is used whenever the next word is *pronounced* to start with a non-consonant sound, so we get "an hour" and "a universal joint". And this is why in British usage it's "an historian" because they mostly don't pronounce the h. I prefer "an", and use it with "historian" because I find that pronouncing the a, which requires a glottal stop, and then pronouncing the "h", which is an aspirant, to be difficult for my speaking cords and mouth.

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:00 PM
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54. You got me there, Rabrrrr.

I'm not familiar with the British usage.

After years of saying' a historian', my mouth is used to it.

;-)
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:25 PM
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10. LOL
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 11:27 PM by Truthiness Inspector
Never thought of it that way, but now that you mention in, it seems to be "u" as the vowel to be the exception, or at least in most/many cases. A union. A unicorn. A unicycle. A university.

Any "u" words that should be prefaced with an "an"?

On edit: An undertaking.

Yes, we take English for granted! Ha!
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:26 PM
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11. an understanding.. maybe it's only "an" for the "hard" U (Or whatever the hell it's called)
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:32 PM
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12. Good example
lol. Most "un" stuff would be prefaced with an "an." As in, what an underhanded thing to do!

I think I was having an unintelligent moment, ha!
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:48 AM
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29. And "slough."
Pronounced "sluff" for one meaning (shed or cast off) and "sloo" for another (bog or swamp).
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:44 AM
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44. Sluff? I've always pronounced it "sloff"
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:43 PM
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49. Or Slough (rhymes with "now")...
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 09:44 PM by Kutjara
...if you're talking about the London suburb of Slough. As immortalized in the John Betjeman poem:

Slough

Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!

Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
Tinned minds, tinned breath.

Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.

And get that man with double chin
Who'll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women's tears:

And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.

But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It's not their fault that they are mad,
They've tasted Hell.

It's not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It's not their fault they often go
To Maidenhead

And talk of sport and makes of cars
In various bogus-Tudor bars
And daren't look up and see the stars
But belch instead.

In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.

Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
To get it ready for the plough.
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:41 AM
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41. The Tough Coughs as He Ploughs the Dough Through the Rough Hiccough
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:15 PM
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4. the words.
definitely. :)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:33 AM
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27. Phrasal verbs.
There are brazillions and their meaning depends entirely on context. Imagine yourself a non-native speaker confronted with the sentence, "We used to go there."

Brush up on some of these!!!

You lovers of the English language might enjoy this .

There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is "UP."

It's easy to understand UP , meaning toward the sky or at the top of the
list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP? At a
meeting, why does a topic come UP? Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report?

We call UP our friends And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP
the silver, we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen. We lock
UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car. At other times the
little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP
for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is
one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.

And this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened
UP because it is stopped UP . We open UP a store in the morning but we
close it UP at night.

We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP ! To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP , look the word UP in the dictionary. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions. I f you are UP to it, you might try building UP a
list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP a lot of your time,
but if you don't give UP , you may wind UP with a hundred or more. When
it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP When the sun comes out
we say it is clearing UP .

When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP
When it doesn't rain for awhile, things dry UP

One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP , for now my time is UP ,
so.......... it is time to shut UP !

Oh . . one more thing:

What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do at
night? U-P
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:49 AM
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35. wow.
Interesting. I remember overhearing a conversation where one friend asked another "what's up?" and the other responded "Totally useless terminology." I guess you just proved her wrong. :)
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:23 PM
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7. I would say the different meanings of words that sound the same and are spelled the same
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 11:24 PM by Shell Beau
sometimes. Ex: night, knight; sale, sell, sail; buy, by; to, too; read, read-red; etc.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:24 PM
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8. If I were to answer "the subjunctive mode"
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 11:43 PM by Unvanguard
I would be correct.

:)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:34 PM
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13. The subjunctive is a mode, not a tense.
Which makes it even more confusing.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:44 PM
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15. Whatever.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 11:44 PM by Unvanguard
While my grasp of English grammar is pretty good, my knowledge of the vocabulary is comparatively lacking.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:47 PM
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17. Yes, yes you would.
The subjunctive mode is confusing in every language. English is no exception.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:57 PM
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18. Si fuera contestar "el modo subjuntivo"
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 12:02 AM by Unvanguard
también estaría correcto.

(I think that's correct... see? :))
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:59 PM
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19. Muy bueno. Habla espanol mucho mejor como mi
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 12:04 AM by mycritters2
Not that I've set the bar all that high!!


J'ai appris le mode subjonctif en français avant l'anglais. C'était embrouillant, aussi!
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:24 AM
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22. Actually, I'm pretty sure now that it's totally wrong.
But I'm not sure how to fix it.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:26 AM
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23. Worry not. My Spanish sucks.
Leave it to me to minor in a language that's becoming irrelevant, and consistently cut class for the one that's actually useful.

Hey, if I were smart I would've studied something technological, and employable.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:25 PM
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9. "th"
an archaic Germanic consonant found only in English and Icelandic, and unpronounceable by anyone else
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:25 AM
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26. I've been quite successful
teaching my German students the tongue/breath coordination for "th." It took me 3 days to get the German "ch" which was a piece of cake compared to ü. :banghead:
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:35 PM
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14. Everything
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:44 PM
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16. Or this
I am going to go.
I'm going to go.
I'm goin' to go.
I'm gonna go.
I'm 'unna go. (spoken)

An English novice has to attune his ears to 5 different phrasings of the same sentence.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 02:30 PM
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47. or...I'm goin'.
:evilgrin:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:23 PM
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55. dammit
now I have to go
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:02 AM
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20. the people who speak it
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 01:28 AM
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25. Remember the vowels?
A, E, I, O, U and sometimes Y and W.

Now would somebody tell me when "W" is a vowel???



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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:40 AM
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28. that Random_Australian is not pronounced "Almighty Ruler"
So inconsistent. I can draw straight lines like no-one else, I tells ya!
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:33 AM
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30. Most confusing thing? The fact that this is an acceptable sentence
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

Or broken down, in my own words:

Buffalo from Buffalo buffalo other buffalo from Buffalo who buffalo yet other buffalo from Buffalo.

A professor of my alma mater came up with it to demonstrate the, uh, unique qualities of the English language.

History of the sentence can be seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:13 AM
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38. that's awesome.
it's even better than the use of the word fuck: Fuck; fuck those fucking fucks.
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:33 AM
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39. On a recent grammar examination, John, where Mary
had had 'had had', had had 'had'. 'Had had' had had the teacher's approval.

The buffalo sentence is the best thing I will learn this month. Thanks.
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:37 AM
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31. Grammatical inconsistencies
Being as English is one of the most cosmopolitan languages in the world (read: We steal from everyone's languages.), very few grammatical and spelling rules span across the board. For example, given the spelling and pronunciations of certain words, a new English speaker could assume that the word we know as "fish" is spelled "phuti" based on words like "phone," "business," and "motion," for example.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:41 AM
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32. Not so much doesn't make sense...
but it's the only language I know of with conjugating verbs that doesn't have a distinct plural-form "you". That's is annoying to me, at least. I am determined to make "y'all" proper English...like it should be.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:44 AM
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43. That bothers me too.
I use 'y'all' and 'you guys' but I don't really like using either.But anything else sounds too formal.

I also sometimes get caught up in the proper use of words or the structure of sentences in general;If I stop to think about what I'm typing I could get confused very easily on the correct placement and usage of words(even though the sentence makes sense it may or may not be correct).
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:54 AM
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34. The spelling. The way words that are spelled alike are pronounced
so differently.

Such as rough, through, bough, as someone already pointed out.

We need phonetic spelling.
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ganeshji Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:07 AM
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36. I have to add snow and plow to that list.
Should one not be pronounced the same as the other?
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:10 AM
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37. Confusing that the repubs haven't demanded it be called "American" instead of "English"
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:38 AM
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40. I forget how to call it...
But when there's a question with a negative in it, and English speakers answer the opposite of the literal meaning.

For example:

Susan: "Aren't you going to the store, John?"

John: "Yes"

Meaning that John is going to the store. ESL learners would look at that and think he's not going to the store.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:15 PM
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46. That caused a lot of confusion between my partner and me
She is not a native English speaker, and that weird negative way we have of asking questions threw her off - she would answer logically correctly and piss me off.

"Don't you want to go to the store?"

"No."

"Well, fine, then we'll just sit here."

Until I realized she was responding in the way I hoped she would, just with the wrong words. Then we got it sorted out, and I learned not to use that kind of sentence structure with her, and if I accidentally do, she gives a full answer: "I do want to go to the store, yes", just to be sure.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:35 AM
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57. And those question tags...
We're not going to the store, are we?

We're going to the store, aren't we?

The trick being whether the voice goes up or down on the tag is an indicator of the speaker's position.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:42 AM
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42. Two, too, to - and all of the other homonyms
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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:47 AM
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45. Certain Idioms n/t
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:34 PM
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48. English is the "great borrower"
and according to Carlos the drummer...

"Englisch she no one lanwage mon, she many MANY lanwage."
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:47 PM
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50. flammable means it can burn,
but inflammable means it can burst into flames.

:crazy:


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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:51 PM
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52. Cholmondeley Featherstonehaugh
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 09:52 PM by Kutjara
Pronounced "Chumley Fanshaw" of course. Or Magdalene College, pronounced "Maudlin College." Or Gonville and Caius, pronounced "Gonville and Keys." Or Worcestershire Sauce, pronounced "Woostershire" or simply "Wooster" sauce.

American English has nothing on English English for absurd and confusing pronunciations.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:41 PM
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56. The pronunciation of Kansas and Arkansas. What gives?
Who came up with that. ahr-kuhn-saw???
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:30 PM
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61. The Arkansas River rises in Kansas
true to form, Kansans pronounce it the "Ar-Kansas". Same with "Ar-Kansas" City, KS.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:44 AM
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58. That's a good one. But can I cant about the word can't?
:rofl:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:18 AM
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59. Nothing. I love the English language. I love language in general.
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 10:19 AM by WritingIsMyReligion
It doesn't confuse me ever, really. :)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:27 AM
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60. rhythm and decriminalization
Rhythm is one screwed-up word.

Decriminalization is almost impossible to type without pausing and counting syllables.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:31 PM
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62. All the five-dollar words like "misunderestimated" and "Hispanically"
:P
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:35 PM
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63. What's wrong with the word "squozen"?
You freeze it, it's frozen. You squeeze it, it's squozen. I like using squoze and squozen.
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