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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:22 AM
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The Great Pop vs. Soda Controversy
INTRODUCTION
Since the earliest research into the the English Language as spoken in North America was begun by Noah Webster in the early 18th century, the regional variations in dialect have always been the most challenging and difficult to explain field. Since the development of carbonated beverage in 1886, one of linguistic geography's most important and least investigated phenomena has been the sharp regional divisions in the use of the terms "pop" and "soda." Due to the domination of hard-line conservative lingusitic geographers in such leading institutions such as Harvard, Yale, Stanford and the University of the West Indies, this dilemma has been swept under the rug . . . until now. Using the new technologies of the Internet and the World Wide Web, I and my colleagues at the California Institute of Technology and Lewis & Clark College are undertaking a bold new research into this fascinating area.

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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:23 AM
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1. North of Boston ...
we call it "tonic".
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coyote Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:03 AM
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15. Tonic if you're like 65+ years old....
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 11:15 AM by coyote
Soda for the young whipper snappers.


At least that´s my experience from the northshore.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:25 AM
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2. Here is SE Michigan, it's pop. When we first moved here from sodaland
I ordered a soda..and got a float....:crazy:
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:07 PM
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22. When I moved to KY
The first time I ordered a diet soda...the 19 yr old waitress looked at me confusedly and then said "I don't think they make diet soda."

After a minute or so of clarification I understood she thought I meant diet soda WATER. :D:D
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jimbo fett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:28 AM
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3. They're both wrong. In the South all soda/pop are "cokes" (small c)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:29 AM
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5. In Georgia We Called Cokes and Pepi "Co-Cola"... Not "Coca-Cola"...
just plain old cocoloa.

-- Allen
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:03 PM
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21. My early years were in the midwest... We also referred all as "cokes."
It was a generic term, but, I have to admit, I was largely a cocacola family, with the occasional 7-up.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:34 PM
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28. I usually hear the older folks call them cocolas.
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 08:35 PM by Lars39
Mostly I hear "cokes" from the younger set. "Soft drink" is usually used in a more formal setting.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:28 AM
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4. Down in Dixie
it's a soft drink.
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:30 AM
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6. Soda Pop
n/t
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:44 AM
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7. in illinois
yup, soda has ice cream, with a carbonated something. any sweet, carbonated drink is a pop. but i have folks in milwaukee, and sometimes use soda. it works fine everywhere but at a soda fountian.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:01 AM
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14. In Springfield Illinois you either call
everything a coke or a pepsi or it is sodi.

Took me a long time to break that habit when I moved away from Springfield.

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FunBobbyMucha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:48 AM
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8. Moving from Ohio to SC
It magically went from "Pop" to "Soda." Or you call a Coke or Pepsi by its commercial name. You ask for a Pop in SC and someone looks past you for your father.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:08 AM
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17. yep
Indy to Ohio: pop in both places
Ohio to DC area: learned to say "soda" or just "coke" for all sodas
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:55 AM
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9. Michigan: Pop.
Always has been.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:57 AM
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10. It's POP
no matter how many times my friends at college laugh at me or make me repeat myself I shall never say S*da when referring to delicious carbonated beverage of my choosing

POP FOREVER
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:00 PM
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24. It's soda!
You lie.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:24 PM
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26. might've known you'd chime in
you mangy little pipsqueak! :P

It's Pop and you know it, but like all sill Lake Georger's you insist on calling it S*da, which is patently bollocks
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:31 PM
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27. Eh! You're so WRONG!
All you lazy Western New Yorkers just don't like to have to use two syllables when speaking. At least here in "the lago" we know how to not equate our beverage of choice with the same word used for a horrible type of music. :D
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:46 PM
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29. At least we know the correct usage of the term
you nerf herder!

A soda is a carbonated beverage served with Ice Cream...POP is a carbonated beverage. As for lazy, having been a resident of both "the lago" (which is lazy slang for Lake George you lazy-head) and of western NY I decidedly side with POP
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:58 AM
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11. It's still pop to me.
That might be a yankee saying but I even taught my 3 1/2 year old granddaughter to say pop. Pop rules.
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:59 AM
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12. It's tonic,or soda..
but NEVER "pop"
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nykiera Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:59 AM
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13. Soda
Upstate NY
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:19 AM
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19. tha even depends
upstate (syracuse-to albany) its soda
western (Rochester, Buffalo, southern tier) its Pop.

I was born near Albany, learned Soda from everyone but my parents (who were from Rochester and Buffalo) and moved to Rochester when I was 5 which is why I say it the correct way...POP
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:07 AM
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16. The map seems to correlate...
"pop" in the midwest
"soda" in the northeast
"Coke" in the southeast
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:09 AM
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18. Except Wisconsin=Soda....it's why I had such a hard time
assimilating when I moved here. That and there are no bubblers (drinking fountains) in Michigan. :hi:
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:25 PM
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32. I had a hard time with that too
The word "soda" used to really p*** me off when I cam here, especially with their funny accents. I had never heard the word "bubbler" and had to ask what the word meant.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:20 AM
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20. except its soda in Penn
and eastern upstate NY ad Pop in Western NY, which is not the midwest, and in DC MD, NVA its Soda
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:16 PM
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23. It's pop in Western PA!
Soda is that carbonated water you mix with Scotch, or something.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:19 PM
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25. Pittsburgh drinks pop, so do Detroit and Minnesota
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 07:19 PM by JVS
Since these are the three places that I spent the most time in as a child, I never got into the conflict as a kid.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:18 PM
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30. so...
....how do you order root beer or lemon lime in the southeast?

"I'll have a root beer coke"?

And how do you order gin and tonic in North Shore?

"I'll have a Tanqueray and tonic tonic"?
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:22 PM
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31. In Louisian, it's usually a Soft Drink or Coke.
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