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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:10 PM
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Linux freaks! What's the best way to make the switch? Dual boot first?
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 06:16 PM by JanMichael
HELP! I really, really, want to dump MS.

What's the best way to do it and HOW?!!!!!
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:15 PM
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1. Yes, dual boot
That's the best way to go, so you still have a safety "net".

Not hard at all, and you can mount your windows partition so it is viewable from Linux.

There's always VMWARE if you have doubts...
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:27 PM
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5. Is 30 days enough time to get familiar enough with Linux?
It's rather pricey and I only want it for this one use.

I'm thinking about trying the evaluation download.

Good or Bad Idea?
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:33 PM
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8. Eval? Go for it! But keep these in mind:
It won't run as fast, especially since it's running under Winbloat, but it'll give you a feel for the OS.

Problem is, it's in an emulated environment. Linux will install and configure under a faux environment. If you dual-boot or whatever, Linux may not see your hardware. That's only a possibility, there are ways to verify your hardware is compatible (check my other message for 2 methods I know of)
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:29 PM
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25. There is another way to try linux.
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 07:30 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Knoppix. A great linux (Debian-based, but DON'T go with Debian or Slackware! Not for n00bZ!). DL the .iso. Burn to bootable CD. Put in CD drive reboot. Linux.
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:17 PM
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2. SuSE!
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 06:21 PM by DEMActivist
BTW, it's dual boot unless you plan on allowing your hard drive partitions to be armed and challenge each other to a duel. :evilgrin:

SuSE allows you the benefits of *nix without losing the programs that run under Windows.

Link for you:
http://www.suse.com/us/index.html
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:25 PM
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4. Well I'd like to see Linux kill MS so YES! DUEL to the death.
Actually I've corrected my atrocious spelling...
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:19 PM
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3. Get an old machine and try it solo
Nice thing about Linux is that it performs well with older hardware. Not as bloated as MS Windows.

If you have an older machine around, or can buy, borrow, or beg one, I would just do a clean install (if you have borrowed the machine, get permission first!).

Dual boot can be done, but it is kind of a pain and not something I would wish on a newby.

Have no experienc with VMware
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:29 PM
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6. I don't have access to an old machine.
My old Toshiba laptop refuses to fire-up anymore. You're right though about taking that route if possible, a co-worker (MIS guy) suggested the same thing.

I think I'm going to throw caution to the wind and "duel" boot.
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:00 PM
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14. dual boot these days
with modern version of lilo and grub, and a decent graphical install environment, is simple as pie.

That said, it'll take some willpower to figure out how to make your linux environment work for you if you have the windoze crutch a reboot away.

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:24 PM
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24. Dual Boot is not a pain with Mandrake.
It is easier than falling out of bed. Mandrake injects Lilo into your bootblock and it is automagically configured for dual boot, if it finds Windows.
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:30 PM
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7. 12 step program! Well, maybe not 12...
1. Make sure your hardware is compatible. If you use nvidia's graphics and motherboard chipsets then you're in the clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I can't be over-excited on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Nvidia ROCKS THE PENGUIN HOUSE and they directly create and maintain Linux drivers for their products. And Nvidia has a reputation for making THE best drivers as well, so I trust them implicitly. But hyperactivity aside, a lot of hardware is supported, you'd be surprised.

www.linuxcompatible.org will help out in determining compatibility.

Out of curiosity, what's the hardware you're using now?

2. Also look for a distro that's inexpensive and comes with a lot of goodies. It's now time for me to hype up SuSE Linux at www.suse.com - they've got some great information, including a semi-confusing hardware compatibility list where it's better to enter vague information and look at the results rather than attempt to be specific. Browse their site, there's a good reason why they're #1 in Europe and seeming to gain ground in the US as Sun has even started using SuSE's products en masse... http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5058545.html Click on "home user" for more! http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/index.html will take you there!!

3a. Dual-boot, especially if your Winbloat partition is FAT32. SuSE does this like a charm, just let it know how large you want your partitions to be.

3b. Buy a second hard drive and put Linux exclusively on it. This might be a better solution, and 20 GB hard drives are dirt cheap. This is what I did until I bought a new machine dedicated for Linux.

4. Keep an eye peeled for "Linux Format UK Magazine" - it's not a US magazine which means it's informative and useful. Especially their "handbook" which is worth every penny of the $20 they ask. If you can find it, it's now a few months old.

5. http://www.linuxquestions.org/ This is a great resource, and do ask about improving disk efficiency and let them know your system specs. They can help tune up your system to be whizzy fast. I manually updated my settings and found little improvement and I wasn't bright enough to look at the original settings before overwriting them, so it's possible my settings were already ideal. But they're good.

6. Screen savers! SuSE comes integrated with true delicious gems like EuphoriaGL and Flux (GL) - for these alone you'll be glad to ditch Winbloat, but download FireworksGL if you're curious. http://www.kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=3129 This will be your first Linux project, to compile a program specifically for your machine. Don't get frustrated, it's just different. It helps if you're even semi-familiar with DOS and file and pathnames. On my system using SuSE, I had to essentially make a new directory called GL and copy over a couple of files, along with downloading one other. It's kind of a pain, I agree, but it's the experience that counts. And not all Linux programs are this pissyfooted. Many apps, like StarOffice or OpenOffice and a lot of games have their own workable installers so don't get freaked out!

7. vmware or win4lin to run old Windows apps if WINE and WINEX do not work out. They cost $ but might be worth it depending on what you need, but SuSE packs a lot, especially in their Pro version.

8. Games. Unreal Tournament shines under Linux, especially if you're using an nvidia-based video card. I can do at 1600x1200 what Winbloat XP cannot ideally do in 1024x768!!!!! Linux is a far better gaming platform than Winbloat because it's more stable, not sloppily written, and just plain faster! That's pretty good for something like an open source entity where anyone can tinker and augment. (What's Microsoft's excuse?) Some games can still be a hassle, but when they work you'll love it all that much more. And, again, look into www.transgaming.com for WINEX - does a decent job of running DirectX games in conjunction with WINE.

Keep us posted!
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:38 PM
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9. Wow! Thanks.
I'll admit though that there were some concepts that you mentioned that I'm unfamiliar with, that's OK, I'll work through it.

My computer?

HP Pavilion 4550z, Intel Celeron Processor, 466Mhz. 10Gig "Ultra" DMA hard drive.

Not exactly a barn burner.
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:42 PM
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10. What's the version of Windows you're using?
Chances are, Linux will make it seem run faster because it's running more efficiently.

And how much RAM? With the GUI'n'all, I'd recommend 128MB though you'd probably get away with 64MB.

And how much disk space on your HD is left? A dual-boot might be possible, but make sure you do a proper backup, scandisk, and defrag before beginning ANY installation of any sort.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:49 PM
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12. 98' 2nd Ed.
64MB ram. 63% free disk space.

I'll probably try to do it tomorrow.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:48 PM
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11. Pricey??? Here's a site with iso images of all the major
distibutions. All you need is a cd burner. It helps to have a broadband connection also. You'll need to repartion your hardrive or do what I did and buy another one for Linux. You can boot the cd from windblows, partition your new drive and you're on your way.


http://www.linuxiso.org/
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 06:51 PM
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13. VMWARE not Linux.
It's around $200. Which isn't a kings ransom but I'm a little hesitant to spend much money switching over to a open-source OS.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:03 PM
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16. Couldn't you get a hardrive cheaper? Then if it didn't work
out you could always use the extra storage.
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:10 PM
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19. There are ways to find such applications, young Jedi
Of course I am neither suggesting, nor recommending you partake such a course.

Wink, wink...
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:12 PM
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20. I was going to suggest nonsuggestively what you're not suggesting!
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 07:13 PM by thermodynamic
:D
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:02 PM
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15. Cold Turkey
Easy for me to say, because I've never run Windows.

More helpfully: Other people have suggested using VMWare or win4lin as transitional steps. What software would you really miss from Windows? There may be perfectly good alternatives that you aren't aware of, thereby negating the "emulation" step altogether.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:08 PM
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18. The only things that I use my home computer for are word processing...
...managing photos and surfing the web.

That's about it.

I've considered "Cold Turkey" because, should I fail miserably, my MIS buddy from work will come over and fix it.

It'll only cost me a dinner and some beer.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:17 PM
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22. Dig it.
Word Processing: OpenOffice. AbiWord. KWord(KOffice Suite) are the big three. All save to .rtf format, which is Word format without the obfuscating cruft. A real standard, not a marketing tool.

Photo Management: PixiePlus and PornView are two. There are others.

Just looked at Thumber, which waqs just released in an RPM(Installation package) by the incredible Texstar(http://www.pclinuxonline.com). Thumber might give you movement in your nether regions.

Websurfing: Mozilla. Konqueror(Integrated into the KDE Desktop). Firebird. Galeon. Epiphany. If that ain't enough you are a sicker boy than I thought. ;-)
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:06 PM
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17. JM: Take a close look at...
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 07:10 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Mandrake Linux. That's what I run here, and I could not be happier.

Well, I could, but it would necessitate me enjoying gobs of sex. ;-)

On edit: I Highly recommend you install Linux on any machine with less than 512 megs of ram with this scheme:

2 hardrives. /root, /usr, /var on the 1st drive. /swap and /home on the second drive. Second drive could be an old and smaller drive. You get a real apparent speed increase when the /swap partition is on a second drive, and a lot less drive thrashing and noise under disk load or high ram usage.
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:15 PM
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21. 512MB RAM?
I have 1 GB, how can I tell how much RAM is being used?

SuSE's box says 64MB is minimum, 128MB recommended. Of course, I need 1GB to play games, eventual video processing with MainActor, and of course to satisfy the nforce2 chipset which benefits from having 2 identical RAM mods in banks 3 and 2...
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:22 PM
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23. How?
One of two ways:setup lm_sensors(How? drop to a root console and run the command "sensors-detect". Follow the bouncing on-screen instructions. Then, install either Gkrellm(just amazing) or KSensors(just amazing also). Configure. Then, know all that is happening in your box. ;-)
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:45 PM
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26. Magic
"I have 1 GB, how can I tell how much RAM is being used?"

From the command line.

cat /proc/meminfo


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