Okay, so Ghost Rider was... adequate.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

I don't exactly expect Nick Cage to plumb vast emotional depths in pursuit of his roles, and in that I wasn't disappointed. And Peter Fonda as the Devil? Who knew? I'm thinking the real reason he took the part was because of the motorcycles. I saved all my admiration for Sam Elliott, just 'cause he's too, too cool. (And it's funny how when you don't see him talking, he sounds EXACTLY like Johnny Cash!)

Bearing in mind it was just a comic book put up onto the big screen, it was fairly watchable. The flick took, say, 15 minutes too long to build the character, and then the real star turned out to be (no surprise) the Rider's SFX bike.

In all honesty, it's a bit of a disappointing flick IMO. I managed to get more excitement from the new Spiderman trailer that appeared before Ghost began. Ghost Rider will be a bit too much for the young kiddies- too graphic, and WAY too loud. This one is for the pimply teen set, sad to say.

At least it was better than The Hulk. But then again, what isn't?

:shrug:

[LostInAnomie]

1. "But then again, what isn't?"

The latest Superman. They should have flushed that turd during production.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

2. I never saw it.

I don't really plan to.

[Mojambo]

3. Too true.

Superman Returns was complete JUNK.

Very comparable to the Hulk actually, in that they are both classic tales that should be too easy to fuck up.

[LostInAnomie]

4. Here's what ruined it for me (spoiler warning)

In one scene Sup's has trouble stopping a speeding jet from crashing into a baseball field, even though he's at full health.

Then towards the end, in a weakened state no less, he managed to pick up a chunk of kryptonite the size of Montana, carry it through Earth's atmosphere, and throw it into space.

A little continuity please.

[Broken_Hero]

8. He used

his heat vision, and flew deep underneath New Krytpon, and had a shield of the earth's crust, basically to shield him from the kryptonite that was in the island...when he got into space, it started to poke through the earth shield he made for himself...

As for the jetliner, he had to slow it down, he could have stopped it with his body, but it would've killed everyone, it would have been akin to just letting the ground catch it.

[LostInAnomie]

11. Then why was he grimacing like he was constipated...

... when he was trying to slow the plane down. It should have been an easy thing for him to accomplish.

And if he actually has to make contact with the kryptonite for it to weaken him, why were Luthor's goons able to kick his ass when he landed on the island? His skin hadn't touched anything, just his boots.

[Broken_Hero]

13. How hard is it for you to control your strenght,

when a little nudge puts holes into battleships? He had to find the right strength level to stop it, he failed with his wing attempt, he ripped the thing off...

He doesn't have to be in "contact" with kryptonite to weaken him...the Kryptonite of the island was diluted, and wasn't as authentic as the shank Luthor had...

The second he landed on New Krypton he was losing power, but didn't realize it til he was nose/nose with Luthor, who had the real deal, a foot away in his pocket....and Superman sweats, he knows his cooked...

I also believe, he was weakened when he landed on new krypton...because of his heavy landing onto the island...

[LostInAnomie]

15. If a little nudge puts holes in battle ships it should have been easy...

... to slow down a plane. Especially for someone as used to managing his strength as Superman.

And, if radiation from kryptonite is enough to weaken him then the ocean water surrounding the island should have been sapping him, and well as the sliver he still had in his back. There's no was he should have been able to life half the ocean floor.

I think a better explanation would be that the movie had crappy writing.

[Broken_Hero]

16. I have no explanation for the sliver in his side, that was still there

when the docs pulled it out, that is a plot hole, correct....:) As for the strength thing, I guess we agree to disagree, if he stopped it dead cold, turkey, the whole plane would have collapsed into his hands, and the plane would've gone up in flames...as for slowing it down, he tried with the wing first, he use to much strength, and tore the wing off...and he dove for the nose cone, and he stopped it that way, if he used any more strength the plane would've collapsed on itself...remember how the plane rippled when he stopped it?

As for the ocean water weaking him...I have no idea what you are talking about...the kryptonite didn't bond with the water, it bonded with the sediment/earth on the ocean floor...and he didn't lift the entire ocean floor, he according to you lifted Montana, and now you are saying its half the ocean floor?....:)

I believe you didn't like the movie, and thats fine, to each their own...:D

[Mojambo]

21. My problem was more with the characterization of Lois

Totally off. Really, really terrible.

And taking Lex Luthor back to the totally played out obsession with real estate as his motivation. Luthor is such a dynamic character in the comics. Why they continue to get him so bland and ordinary in the movies will endlessly frustrate me.

And the whole Super-kid thing? Dumb, dumb, DUMB!

And Brandon Routh was good as Clark Kent, but I just didn't buy him as Superman at all.

I really didn't like it. Had a hard time sitting through it, frankly.

[Broken_Hero]

22. I agree, and disagree...

1. I totally agree with your Lois Lane angle, I didn't buy it, I think she was...to be brutally honest, really miscast...I watched the making of, and Singer put so much work into casting, and yet...he just "okay'd" Bosworth with a snap of his finger....she was midly irriatiting to me, and I'm a fan...I can only imagine what non fans think...

2. Totally agree...it sucks, I wanted Corporate Lex so bad...and I thought it might go that route, once I knew(during production) that he would inherit a huge fortune...I thought, all right, corporate Lex is on the way! And no...it was the same as Hackmans role essentially...but a bit darker, imo, and less campy. I imagine Lex Luthor, as a mirror of Batman, both geniuses who use their fortune to push good/bad.....

3. I thought the super kid was the second best thing in the whole movie...as a comic book geek, this has been a constant argument for ages, can Lois have superman kid, and Singer answered that with a resounding, yes. I think its a great angle to an 70yr old character. A lot of my fellow comic online geeks dislike Jason a ton, but I thought it was a gem....

4. I bought Routh as Clark/Superman, and I thought I'd never be able to...when pics of him in the new suit came out, I was up in arms, with my fellow superman freaks...but, I thought he pulled it off...I just wish there was more "superman" in the movie!

5. I can undertsand why you don't like it, and no hard feelings, whatsoever...:) I was so pumped up for this flick, and I was overjoyed with all the resounding homages to Donners films, classic comics, and other actors/actresses of the Superman mythos...one of the things that I believe happend was that a lot of the story was set up with General Zod in mind...Singer had written Zod in, and tried his hardest to get Jude Law, but Jude turned it down...also, a 15 minute return to krypton scene was taken out at the begining, explaing/showing how/why superman left earth. I was hoping those scenes would be in the ultimate collection, but I was let down....

I do find holes in the writers scheme, and I believe they were trying to hard to impress richard donner, but Donner isn't the end all say all of Superman...I was hoping for something differet in that regard, but got a strong continuity from Superman I and II.

The Man of Steel, aka Superman Returns II comes out in summer of 09, and Singer has promised to go Wrath of Khan on it...but if see another homage to Donner, via superman II, I will be very dissapointed, and join the Bryan Singers a hack camp....I gave him a lot of leeway with Xmen, and I thought he did good, for so many characters involved....and while Xmen was relatively slow/character driven, Xmen United was a whole lot better...the whole nightcrawler/wh scene was epic, imo.

[Mojambo]

23. Interesting stuff (5.)

I had no idea Zod was supposed to be in it. This would have helped things CONSIDERABLY, as the movie seemed a little light on action frankly.

I should say I'm not a huge Superman guy really. So I had lukewarmness going in.

I agree that the Super kid thing is certainly a new (and maybe necessary) wrinkle to throw in. It just seemed a bit gratuitous in a movie that seemed to have a lot of forced emotion in it.

I'll give the sequel a fair chance.

[Broken_Hero]

24. The kid, presents a wide variety of angles...

is the kid going to turn evil, and turn into Bizzaro, or some other super powered villian? A good number of the online fanatics seem to beat this drum often. I think the kid will stay good, and be used for:

1. Killed by brainaic or other high powered villian, really enraging the man o steel...

2. Kidnapped and used as bait by a super villian to sucker superman into some scheme


Or, who knows...:D

[dropkickpa]

5. I love comic book movies

the only ones I've found unwatchable is Hulk and the new superman.

I love Sam Elliot!! Me and my ex-sis-in-law-then-ex-roomate (it's funny) were just talking today about how he can make anything bearable (Roadhouse anyone?).

In other news, they're doing Hellboy 2!!!!!:bounce:

[Babel_17]

6. Did they show a trailer for Resident Evil: Extinction?

I'm something of a fan of Ms. Jovovich, at her website they suggested the possibility.

Thank you in advance for any info.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

7. Yes they did.

Looks intriguing. It was mostly teaser shots, with just a few seconds of face shots. More to come, I'm sure.

I'm also beginning to take an interest in "300". Great trailer. And the fact that Frank Miller (he is a God) was its inspiration makes it a certain hit.

[Babel_17]

9. Thank you!

300 will have some amazing eye candy, I'm sure, looking forward to it.

Btw, next time you're in your library see if they have Gates of Fire by Stephen Pressfield. I received it as a gift several years ago and found it be an amazing novel. It too deals with the Spartans and The Battle of Thermopylae.

http://tinyurl.com/37kl3z

[Broken_Hero]

10. 300 looks

very damn good....

[LostInAnomie]

12. Agreed

Very damn good.

[Broken_Hero]

14. I'm a big Miller fan

to boot, so I know I'm going to be there...I'll probably check out Ghost Rider in a couple of weeks when it hits the cheaper theaters...FF featuring Norrin Rad looks pretty awesome too, that trailer...whew!

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

17. I've been hooked on Frank Miller for years

...ever since he did the Daredevil comic, making the Daredevil/Electra story really come to life. He really fleshed out that entire universe.

[Broken_Hero]

18. True, what got me

was the Dark Knight Returns...gritty, and brutal...and he portrayed Superman to a tee...I'm a superman fan, and I greatly enjoyed seeing big blue being showed some...humility!

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

19. He has a way of turning cartoons into living people

He uses a lot of anime techniques, and a lot of Japanese/zen influences are apparent. Before Dark Knight, any time I thought of Batman, I thought cheesy comedy TV. Not any more.

I've never gotten into Superman- too much of an indestructible cosmic bully. Since nothing can harm him, what's the point? :shrug:

[Broken_Hero]

20. A lot can harm superman

it just determines on who writes for him....in some incarnations he can blow out a solar system with his breath, in other incarnations, he has a hard time defeating Metallo, or Mongul...who are rip off Hulk caricatures...continuity in comics is hard to come by, and with Superman it seems to happen quite a bit...but I think I notice it more with him, because I read him the most....

Other inaccuracies are cross over fights....the DC vs. Marvel was a joke...I was pissed when Lobo was beaten by Wolverine, it was a wtf moment for me...the whole continuity thing is, hard to come by....