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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:29 PM
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Monogamy: does it come naturally to you?
or is it something you have had to work towards achieving?

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:34 PM
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1. It comes pretty naturally for me.
Not saying I've never been tempted, but I don't have to work at being monogamous.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:35 PM
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2. Naturally.
If I don't like a girl enough to be faithful to, why would I stay with her?
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SoyCat Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:36 PM
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3. Yes. There is only enough of me and my time for just my husband. Anyone else and I'd be worn out
all the time. I know it's the same way with him.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:53 PM
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55. lol ...thats cute.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:38 PM
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4. It is natural to me when i am content and valued in a relationship.


:hi:
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:39 PM
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5. unfortunately
I'm beginning to think of it as a character flaw. I am open to having some kind of poly arrangement in the future but what I am finding out is that people seem to be much more comfortable with deception and the *appearance* of monogamy to than polyamory or open relationships.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:49 PM
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12. i dont think its a moral flaw.
i also think that you are a lovely person.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:58 PM
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16. thanks lioness
I feel the same way about you.

It's an educational process, what can I say.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:51 PM
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13. I agree
i have been wishing a poly arrangement were more viable in my circumstances.

I just value different people for different things. I can deeply love more than one person and am finding that the older i get the more torn i am by the multi facets of my own personality and the need to express them with others. Sadly, i just have a real problem finding one person with more compatible the not. Being single i am fortunate that i have the option of hanging out with different people to share different aspects. Problem is that single is a lonely place to be and makes it difficult to cross a certain threshold of emotional intimacy. : /

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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:02 PM
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17. single?
uh-oh. :hug:

I am not so lonely...the loneliest I have ever been is with an addicted S.O.; that was some soul-crushing loneliness. I think it is harder to be in whatever kind of relationship and have expectations that are not met. I do much, much better when I have absolutely zero.

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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:06 PM
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21. Yep. Long story.
:hug:

Little thing but enough. ;)

Thanks for the hug.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:40 PM
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6. Yes.
Once I choose a person, I cease noticing other possibilities altogether.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:46 PM
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10. That's hard to believe
Or maybe it's laudible. I'm not sure. But I have had sex with only one woman for the last 26 years, and I don't even flirt. Still, I notice other women. I'm not dead, after all.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:47 PM
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11. It probably would be laudible if I were to choose better.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:04 PM
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18. I am the same
And it is NOT healthy for my relationships in which my partner is more flirtatious. In the past it has done nothing but spoil them. So I guess I need to either try to look for people who are not flirtatious, or someone needs to teach my ass how to flirt. Because when I am with someone, I don't even think about it.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:45 PM
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48. I'm looking more at not committing myself to people that I know I can't trust
As a solution to that problem.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:41 PM
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7. natural eom
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:43 PM
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8. NOW it does.
I know this is corny as all hell; but it seems to be because I am with the "right" person. As a Leo (so I'm sure you understand a bit!) I need to feel certain amounts of attention and that I am desired and found attractive above all others by my mate. He does this wonderfully and naturally; and I couldn't be more content. With my other relationships; even my other engagement; I cheated (up until a certain point where I learned better) because I knew I was missing something; but could not figure out what it was. For awhile I was convinced I needed a poly relationship because I just couldn't stay faithful. What a suprise that I have no problem doing so now!
Sure does make me feel better about myself; that's for sure. I don't miss that self-loathing one bit. But, I never got a chance to try the open relationship for real; or a serious poly relationship; where everyone knew what the rules were. (the fiance I cheated on "did it first!"; and with men; which I did not know he was bi for quite awhile; so we never got to get the right situation going).
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:45 PM
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9. I used to think it was. But I have to work at it.
I think my original ideas about monogamy were fueled by insecurity. I'm a lot more mature now and know what I want and what I don't want. In my case, monogamy is a choice, not an orientation. And sometimes I regret that choice. ;)
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:55 PM
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14. Celibacy is what comes naturally to me...
Dammit. :P (x( Haha.)
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 05:58 PM
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15. Yes, except for one specific type of exception.
Redstone
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:04 PM
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what exception?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:07 PM
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22. Check your PM.
I think you already know.

Redstone
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:14 PM
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25. Quel exception?
PM me as well, you... :D
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:43 PM
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30. Done.
Redstone
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:04 PM
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19. what exception?
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:20 PM
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65. For some reason your post immediately made me think of some elaborate Poe type scenario:
i.e. Some evil doctor cackling and rubbing his hands as he explained that the only way to save you children and the new puppy from the slowly descending pendulum of doom is to make love to his nurse and partner in crime the evil Brunhilda, as the poor doctor has alas been rendered infertile by his diabolical experiments!

:rofl:

I think it was your choice of words: "specific type of exception" so of course I imagined some absurdly concocted scenario.

I don't want to know what your real scenario is, as I prefer to imagine this is it.

:P
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:01 AM
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74. Damn, you figured it out!
Redstone
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:06 PM
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20. No, it doesn't.
The problem is I want it to come naturally to my partner.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:56 PM
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57. lol. i have often felt the same way.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:10 PM
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23. No, which is why I'm polyamorous
Cheating is for fucking losers, imho
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:13 PM
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24. If bigamy is two, and monogamy is one,
is nullogamy none? :shrug:

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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:15 PM
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26. Of course not. Is this still open for discussion?
I thought it was decided a long time ago that monogamy was decidedly unnatural.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:17 PM
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27. i dont think human nature is so cut and dry. i think some people are naturally monogamous
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:19 PM
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28. I think males are naturally anygamous
and we're lucky if we get to one.







:hide:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:45 PM
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49. funny.. thats a good word...anygamous..
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:31 PM
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29. Fortunately, hypocrisy is even less natural for me
I'm a man, my nature is to gift my seed to every lovely progressive woman alive, and give what's left to a few choice republican women.

However, my nature is also to have all those women be monogamous with me, so something has to give.:D


So, I go with mutual monogamy. It's work, but it's doable.

As a few others have mentioned in the thread, a poly arrangement is theoretically ok with me, but I can't honestly say that I could live it for sure? It seems few are able to; but is that because so few try, and cultural expectations are ingrained so deep?
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jrandom421 Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:44 PM
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31. Very naturally!
After having faced over 30 years of unrelenting, emphatic and unequivocal rejection by the opposite sex, the fact that my wife loves me for me, makes it too easy for me to be monogamous with her. And her dealings with manipulative, obsessive, control freak asshole ex-husbands has made it easy for her to be monogamous with me.
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:45 PM
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32. Yes.
Happy Holidays!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 06:48 PM
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33. to you too. also this wednesday i actually can go out.
since i dont have to work early thursday..want to hang out?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:02 PM
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34. yes, esp. if you are married
and if you sowed your "wild oats" prior to meeting your life partner...


I think you have to understand your commitment, and know that the respect and love you have for your partner is what makes monogamy the right thing. And no, I don't think it is hard if that is what you have decided.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:04 PM
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35. Very natural for me or I wouldn't be married!
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:15 PM
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36. hell no...which is why i don't even try
no sense in dragging people around when i am admittedly terrified of commitment
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:25 PM
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39. you rock
that kind of honesty is a lot rarer than you would think.

:loveya:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:19 PM
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37. It did for 12 years...
Now, once trust has been violated, I find it harder to keep my end of the bargain...

RL
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:53 PM
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54. once trust is broken..its very hard to convince yourself to remain faithful
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:23 PM
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38. I cant lie I have my Hugh Hefner fantasy's
But all in all I'd just like to find a person that is descent, smart, and loves me above all others
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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:28 PM
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40. If you love and respect your SO,
it's easy to be monogamous. :shrug:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:26 AM
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82. True. Plus, it sure makes life a LOT less complicated.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:31 PM
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41. I have to work on it.
I like the excitement of new experiences, meeting new people....etc...etc...sometimes that prevents me from being monogamous.
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ganeshji Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:52 PM
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53. That's exactly how I feel.
New is almost always exciting to me.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:55 PM
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56. But it can get you into trouble
:evilgrin:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:39 PM
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42. When you love the person, monogamy comes naturally n/t
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:41 PM
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44. I agree. nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:43 PM
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46. I know you do n/t
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:43 PM
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45. not for everyone...people in polyamorous relationships love each too
or i would think that they do..
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:44 PM
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47. Yes, but they still have a true commitment to each other.
Bi_baby will agree with me.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:52 PM
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52. according to bibaby she is not monogamous...look upthread..
which is not saying monogamy is better/worse than polygamy...

to add, i also know swingers, who love and respect their primary partners...

non-monogamous people can love...their arrangements may just be different.

that was my whole point.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:14 PM
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64. Look downthread. She agrees with me. Sorry, Pri. nt
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:43 PM
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66. errr...
"i also know swingers, who love and respect their primary partners"

yes, but swingers are inherently *not* about* love, but sex...

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:26 PM
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70. i know swingers are different from polys....and i am not saying they are the same
just that non monogamy can also be loving.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:59 PM
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62. Indeed
but, we're not like every Poly relationship... :D

thank you :loveya:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:03 PM
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63. No problem. nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:48 PM
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51. A Polygamous relationship IS a monogamous relationship
People misunderstand these relationships so mich.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:57 PM
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59. Erm, not always....
Just saying....Sometimes it's much looser than that. But generally, yes. There are both 'open' and 'closed' Poly relationships. Mine is the latter, but many are the former. It's not always monogamous though, and sometimes people's definition of 'poly' isn't exactly the "norm" (aka i just sleep around and call it 'poly')...

:)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:58 PM
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61. yeah thats what i thought...because i know people with different poly arrangements
some of whom are closed within their relationships.

some who have primary partners but have sexual relationships with others etc.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:40 PM
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43. i love replying to my own thread...so though i have never wanted to be monogamous
Edited on Tue Dec-26-06 07:42 PM by lionesspriyanka
i think with my new gf, i really dont think i have ever met someone i think is in any way more attractive..and not just physically..i mean all around

makes the whole monogamy thing easier

also its possible that i am just older now..

who knows...
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:47 PM
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50. No, It Is Hard Work!
I don't know if it is a natural state for me, but it has never been something that seemed to be a natural state, but rather something that had to be worked towards.

:shrug:

and I feel I've done that, although...

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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:56 PM
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58. I'm very monogamous.
It could come naturally to me, since my parents are very monogamous.

I'll return flirts because it's polite (and fun too!) but the boundries are very solid, and no work to achieve.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 07:57 PM
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60. i do think that this does come from parents...
most people i know who say they are naturally monogamous also have monogamous parents..
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:44 PM
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67. i have monogamous parents and i'm poly...
my parents have been married for almost 35 years...there goes your theory... :)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 08:49 PM
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68. oh god no -- and i don't do monogamy.
it's not that i don't fall very much in love with some one -- but i don't want to be all things sexuall to some one -- and the reverse is true.

more -- i'm not jealous. -- when i was younger i was -- but one day it ocurred to me -- it's their body -- but my emotions.

my partners can't use their bodies to cause me any emotional discomfort.

now they can be too trashy for words -- and that can be cause for dismissal.
in case the question ws trying to get at where do the boundaries lie.

oh yeah -- one other thing -- i am not poly-amorous.

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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:01 PM
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69. No. Sadly, I have fallen short on that.
Single now...and perhaps I should stay that way. I kind of like it.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:29 PM
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71. Totally unnatural to me
Maybe it's just me.. That's all I'll say about it at the moment =)
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:32 PM
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72. naturally.
the only other person I've even flirted with slightly since getting married is RetroLounge in his flirting thread tonight.
:D
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:57 PM
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73. It's natural to me when I take a relationship seriously. n/t
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:15 AM
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75. Before I was married I considered myself free to do what I wanted.
After I married I was completely monogamous for seventeen crappy years. Then I fell completely in love and made a mistake I will never repeat.

I think that if you cannot stay monogamous then maybe committment is not for you. IMHO.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:21 AM
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76. Or Perhaps It Is Impossible To Remain Monogamous
in a crappy situation?

or at least unrealistic

JMO:shrug:
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:43 AM
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77. Many people stay monogamous in a crappy situation.
I had never looked outside the marriage to solve its problems and falling for this man was utterly unexpected and devastating for more reasons than I can readily list. He was terribly unattractive, for one! I have come to the conclusion that he came into my life for a reason and though it has caused me great sorrow it was probably unavoidable. This is not to say I don't blame myself; I do.

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 04:53 PM
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85. I Know You Do
and I won't ask you to separate yourself from the reality that you feel

I'm just saying that while lots of people stay monogamous in crappy situations, lots don't

it's not something I'm trying to interject as a debating point, rather an observation

I have not done right by my situation in many ways. I blame myself for a lot of problems there for sure.

That is not to say that I'm solely responsible for whatever problems have come about, I'm not.

I guess my point really was to say that while you may blame yourself, you are not in a unique situation and you are very human like the rest of us!

Nothing more and nothing less, just human. And in my opinion what seems to be a pretty good one.


:hug: :hug:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:48 AM
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78. Naturally for me
If I'm in love, no one else looks particularly interesting to me.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 02:28 AM
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79. for me, it's natural
But I realize for others, it may not. The key is knowing yourself and not trying to be someone you aren't-- I'm lucky that I'm with someone who feels the same way.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 02:41 AM
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80. naturally--it is my nature
loyal to a fault actually--and even when they don't deserve it...

but, i am learning
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:17 AM
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81. After six years of marriage, and being faithful in many (not all) respects...
NO. MARRIAGE IS UNNATURAL.
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:44 AM
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84. I must agree.
I've been married for fourteen years, and I feel the same way.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:39 AM
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83. Yes - never could even date more than one guy at a time. eom
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