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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:31 PM
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How To Make A Lady Out Of A Girl
The women's liberation notwithstanding most men still want someone ladylike and feminine for a wife. To be sure, all good Christian men want submissive, feminine, ladylike, and godly wives. Yet, we live in a society which wants to homogenize the sexes. The boys wear make-up and the girls wear blue jeans. The boys wear flowered shirts while the girls wear work shirts. The fad is for the boys to be feminine and the girls to be masculine. Consequently, if parents rear a girl to be ladylike, they will be swimming upstream, going against the grain, and climbing uphill, but it can be done. If it is done, however, it will be on purpose and some of the following suggestions must be used in order to make a lady out of a girl.

1. Dress her like a girl. Let her have long hair. Let her wear lace and ribbons. Do not let her wear that which pertaineth to a man. Deuteronomy 22:5 says, "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God." The parent who wants to make a young lady of a daughter should see to it that she does not wear revealing clothes, but that she dresses modestly. I Timothy 2:9 and 10 says, "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety: not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works."

This must be started early in the life of a girl. If she never wears pants for the first time, she will always wear skirts. If she never wears mini-skirts for the first time, she will always wear skirts of a modest length. In these days of hot pants, mini-skirts, and pant suits, may God give us some old-fashioned mothers and dads who well rear some sweet, feminine ladies for our boys and dress them accordingly.

2. Teach her strict obedience. Other chapters stress the fact that obedience is the most necessary ingredient to be required from the child. This is especially true in the life of a girl, for she must be obedient all of her life. The boy who is obedient to his mother and father will someday become the head of the home; not so for the girl. Whereas the boy is being trained to be a leader, the girl is being trained to be a follower. Hence, obedience is far more important to her, for she must someday transfer it from her parents to her husband.

This means that she should never be allowed to argue at all. She should become submissive and obedient. She must obey immediately, without question, and without argument. The parents who require this have done a big favor for their future son-in-law.

3. She should not be allowed to play alone with boys. The parents should see to it that she plays with other girls. This is important for many reasons. She should play only with toys that are uniquely for girls. This, by all means, should include dolls, doll clothes, housecleaning equipment, dishes, pots and pans, etc. She should participate in sports enough to become coordinated but she should not excel in sports. If later she marries a man who is very athletic, she could become more proficient in some particular sport that he enjoys, but if she becomes an expert in a sport that is usually associated with men and boys, it could prove embarrassing to her future husband, and for that matter, it could entice her to become more masculine than she ought to be.

4. Teach her how to be graceful in sitting, walking, etc. Every mother who has a daughter should be careful to show her how to sit like a lady, walk like a lady, and exhibit propriety and grace in her manners. (Note the chapter on MANNERS.)

5. Teach her to be an intelligent listener and an articulate conversationalist. She should read a variety of good books and magazines and have a wide variety of knowledge. It should be obvious to any male with whom she is conversing that she is an intelligent listener and that she can understand and respond to his conversation. She should never seem to know as much as he does (even though she may actually know more) but enough to talk intelligently about his interests and to make him feel that his conversation is falling on receptive ears and an understanding mind. This means that she should learn all she can about everything, especially things that interest men. For example, she should know football, but she should not play it. There is nothing a man wants any more than to be understood by an intelligent listener.

The wise lady will never "take over" the conversation. She will add just enough to make a valuable contribution and to show her intelligence on the subject, but she will always make her man feel that he is the more knowledgeable. Of course, as a girl like chooses a man, she will want to choose the kind that is at least her equal, the kind that she will not have to dominate, and the kind whose mind and conversation will always intrigue her. This means that the wise mother will teach her girl not to be a wallflower and not to attempt to get by on beauty alone. She will teach her to be the kind of young lady who has a beautiful spirit and a beautiful soul, one who can communicate, one who is understanding, and one who is quietly articulate in conversation.

Though she should not be a football fanatic she should know enough about football to enjoy watching the game with her boyfriend, fiancée, or husband, if he so chooses. It should be obvious to him that she is enjoying the game and that she is knowledgeable about it, but that he can teach her even more.

6. Teach her to make her dad feel like a hero. A young lady that can treat her dad properly is more likely to treat her husband properly. If she makes her dad feel like a man when he is in her presence, she will not doubt make her husband feel like a man when he is in her presence. If the daughter is careful to refill Dad's glass at the table, see to it that he gets the best chair, listen to him intelligently when he talks, participate intelligently, yet meekly in the conversion, she will someday transfer this to her husband and her husband will rise up and call her "blessed."

7. Teach her to have the proper heroines. The mother should be very careful to see to it that the daughter does not idolize Hollywood starlets, female athletes, etc., but rather, feminine, yet successful women like the Bible characters Hannah and Elisabeth, and characters in history like Susannah Wesley and Elizabeth Barrett Browning. Also point out feminine ladies whose path is crossed by the daughter and lead her to emulate them. It is very important that the young lady, even the girl, look up and idolize the right kind of people.

8. Teach her not to be too forward to boys. A young lady should not initiate a correspondence. If she cars for a boy she may respond to him with courtesy and feminine reserve so as to let him know she like him, but she should not be the aggressor, neither should her respond except within the bounds of propriety and right. It certainly is not proper for a young lady to call a young man on the telephone for a social talk, If there is obvious business, it may be done with reluctance, but it should never be done when the call is strictly for social purposes.

9. Do not show off her talent to others. As is mentioned elsewhere in this book it is far better for a parent to compliment character than talent. Many children have been ruined because their parents were too proud of them and their performances. This not only hurts the child but it disgusts other adults. In such cases the child receives far too much attention and then wants it for the rest of her life. Hence, she becomes maladjusted. Let her gain her own attention by her performance. Let her attract her own audience by her own ability and opportunities, not by the insistence of a mother or father who is overly proud of a daughter.

10. Let her do things that enable her to be a necessary help to another who is in the limelight. This is very important for a young lady. That is why learning to accompany a soloist is good training for a girl. Learning to take dictation is also good training. Both of these things train her to be a necessary helper to someone who is in the limelight. The Bible teaches that a woman is made not for the limelight but to complement and supplement. Proverbs 32:23 says, "Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land."

The girl should be taught that her lot in life is to be obedient and helpful to her husband. Hence, if as a girl she can perform supplemental duties that are vital, she will be better equipped to be a well-adjusted lady. It is more important that a young lady be an accompanist on a piano than a concert pianist. Parents who train their daughter in this manner will someday be called, "blessed," by their son-in-law.

11. Teach her to pull for her dad. The wise mother will teach the girl to make a hero of her father and always pull for him. She should pull for him in business and do all she can to help. She should pull for him in any athletic contest and do all she can to cheer him to victory. In everything he does she should stand on the sidelines and root for her dad. She is being taught to root for the biggest man in her life and to cheer and spur him on to bigger heights. When she is married she will transfer this to her husband and will be a great encouragement to him.

The mother must teach the daughter that when the father is a success the daughter is also a success. She is a very vital part in his success, and as a member of the team she can share the victory and the spoils. When this attitude is properly developed she will feel the same way when she is married. When the husband wins a victory it will be a team victory rather than a victory just for him.

12. Teach her to plan for a profession but to hope that it will not be needed. Mothers and fathers should teach their daughters to train for some kind of profession that is always in demand. There is always the possibility that the daughter will never marry or that she will become a widow with children to rear and will not remarry. Because of this she should plan to pursue some profession that will enable her to support herself and her children in any eventuality. She should be taught that if possible, she should not follow this profession when married. This gives her a dependence, if the opportunity arises to be dependent, but an independence if needed. There are many professions that a young lady could pursue such as that of a school teacher, beautician, secretary, nurse, etc.

13. Teach her the sanctity of the body. Teach her that boys should keep their hands off and that her body should be clean in every way. She should care for her body. She should be well groomed and physically clean. Then she should also be moral and virtuous. Talk with her about situations which arise in the lives of most young ladies. Teach her how to handle each situation. Explain to her that that is the reason she should not be in a car alone with a boy. Teach her what to do if improper advances are made. Let her be conscious of the fact that her body is a very sacred thing and should always be treated as the temple of the Holy Spirit.

14. Teach her to do feminine chores. As is mentioned elsewhere it is better for a girl to do the dishes than the yard, to wash the pots and pans than the car, to clean the bedroom rather than the garage. She should do the duties that she will do when she is married and a successful mother and wife.

Much stress should be placed on the importance of her working hard. It is not feminine to be lazy. In fact, it is quite feminine to work hard. It is not working hard that makes one unfeminine; it is the doing of masculine tasks. Wise is that mother who teaches her daughter that good hard work is feminine and that the work a woman should do should be that of feminine chores.

15. Let her be around feminine women. Teach her to associate with ladies who are feminine. Point them out to her when she is a little girl and tell her they are the ones she should copy and emulate. Let these ladies be those who dress like ladies, talk like ladies, walk with feminine grace, sit with feminine charm. Let these be ladies who are good mothers and who have poise, dedication, chastity, consecration, and spirituality.

16. Let her baby-sit. It should be remembered that someday she will no doubt be a mother. She can prepare herself for this and train for it by caring for little ones while she is a teenager. When a girl gets around thirteen, she should becomes acquainted with taking care of little babies and small children. Her motherly instinct will be developed and nourished. This is very important in preparing her to be a successful and happy mother.

17. Let her care for younger girls in the family. Let her dress them, do their hair, wash their faces, etc. Even a girl seven or eight can care for a little sister. She should be encouraged to do so. This will teach her to fulfill responsibilities, to carry the load in the family circle, to work hard, and to prepare herself for motherhood.

18. Allow her to do no loud shouting or hollering. In fact, such should not be a part of anyone's household. The business of rearing children can be transacted without shouting or fussing. Especially should this be true in a girl, for the parent is to try in every way to make her quiet, meek, and feminine.

19. With the passing of the years, let her shop more for herself, and if she has younger sisters, let her aid them in doing their shopping. This will teach her to care for her own person and also for the needs of others.

The most noble goal that parents can set for their daughters is to help them become Christians. The second most noble goal is to lead them to be ladies, for one of the great needs of our generation is Christian ladies. May God use this chapter to make it so.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/how_to_rear_children_dr_hyles.htm
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WannaBeGrumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:33 PM
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1. I LOSE!!!!
:cry: I'll never be a lady! I've officially given up hope!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:37 PM
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2. Go tell your parents it's never too late
and present yourself for a HARD spanking.

Do it now. :D
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WannaBeGrumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:40 PM
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6. She just yelled at me for interrupting her movie...
and told me to dream on! :shrug:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:38 PM
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3. ...
:spray:

Damn, I am so not a lady. Hell, I break the first rule twice, between wearing men's clothes and wearing bikinis.

I also like fighting, cursing, and power tools.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:38 PM
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4. Hmph, and I had to take my undies off. Oh wait, that was becoming a woman.
:silly:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:39 PM
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5. Fucking awesome.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 09:40 PM by haruka3_2000
A "lady" you are not. You're raising your son to be one of those girlyboys though.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:47 PM
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8. The kid's hair
is longer than CAPeggy's and Shine's PUT TOGETHER. :eyes:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:50 PM
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11. It's the soy hormones.
First they made my boyfriend into a wannabe lesbian, then they gave my son The Gay.



:drops down on knees and screams at the sky:

Why, tofu? Why?

:sobs:

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:52 PM
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12. Damn, is there anything soy can't do?
Oh wait, there is. Make a decent cheese.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:58 PM
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13. oh *SNAP*!
:rofl:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:59 PM
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14. Oh, but you're wrong.
Cheezely is getting US distro soon. I hear that stuff melts well, is frightfully cheeselike and is good enough to eat by itself with crackers or something. It doesn't have any dairy proteins either, it's actually vegan cheese that apparently doesn't suck.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:01 PM
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16. But you have only heard rumors of this vegan cheese....
Have you looked it up on Snopes? :shrug:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:02 PM
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18. Precisely.
:rofl:

Currently, it's just a myth to me...like unicorns. Cheezely sounds like a fake name to me.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:01 PM
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17. When it makes it to NJ, I'll give it a shot and report back.
So far the only palatable vegan cheese I've found is the soy parmesan sprinkles.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:05 PM
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21. I might get some next weekend if the brits snuck some in.
If I do, I'll post a review down in the veg forum once I'm home.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:07 PM
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22. Black market soy cheese.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 10:07 PM by haruka3_2000
:rofl:

One of my friends used to have us (at the health food store) mail her a case of Tofu Lin on dry ice monthly because she couldn't get it in CO.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:38 PM
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26. I'm hoping somebody brought some Chicago Soydairy Temptation, too.
Thought my hopes aren't as high.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:42 PM
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7. Is it ladylike of me to tell these Freaks to stick it up their arses?
:shrug:
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:47 PM
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9. man, my brothers sure fucked up.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 09:55 PM by idgiehkt
"To be sure, all good Christian men want submissive, feminine, ladylike, and godly wives."

So did they. They picked prissy uber-bitches who order them around like maids, take all their money (my youngest brother is at the point of having shit turned off, like the cable and the telephone); both women went out and bought themselves brand new cars on my brothers' credit right after they married them, while my brothers both drive 15 or 20 year old pieces of shit. It just boggles the mind. At both of the weddings the preacher went on and on about how the wife is supposed to be submissive and all that claptrap...I guess now I understand that the translation is 'the wife is supposed to be submissive so treat that motherfucker like a dog and take him for everything he's worth' or something. I just love my brothers and their submissive, christian wives.

edited to add that my brothers are the ones making the payment on these cars, too, not their submissive, feminine, ladylike, and godly wives
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:48 PM
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10. Dammit, cut me a switch!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:59 PM
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15. Tell your wife/daughter to do it for you...
If you've been doing your job she will do it without hesitation and with a submissive spirit and a merry heart.

:P
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:03 PM
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20. But what if she is wearing one of those damn work shirts?
all is lost.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:02 PM
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19. Dammit, my son read this post and turned into a Little Old Lady!
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:59 AM
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60. Yikes!
He's a great little old lady, though!
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MiniMandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:08 PM
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23. Hehehe... do not call up boys for social talk,
and don't let them manhandle you.

Well, I'm going to hell.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:13 PM
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24. That's some scary shit.
:scared:

I'm teaching my daughter to embrace her GODDESS nature.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:36 PM
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25. And you also used profanity last night...
:eyes:
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:53 PM
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28. oh fuck, you're right!
i'm sooo busted. :eyes:
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SoyCat Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:50 PM
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27. Proud to not be a lady--
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 10:52 PM by SoyCat
1. I'm loud
2. I'm majorly opinionated
3. I'm a militant feminist
4. I belch and
5. drink beer
6. I listen to loud music
7. I cuss--probably too much
8. I will not defer to any man
9. I'm anything but meek
10. I won't play dumb to make any man feel smarter
11. Chaste--what a joke! Sex is way too important for that b.s. (no damned way was I a virgin when I married)
12. I do any kind of work I damned well want and that means I'm happy to bake, cook, crochet, knit, do needlework, garden and oh yeah--lay tile, do plumbing, paint, install insulation, and teach math, etc.
13. I wear jeans and anything else I want
14. You get the picture...they can just go fuck themselves!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:57 PM
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29. I checked the link, this doesn't look to be satire
:scared:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:06 PM
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30. It isn't
:scared:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:12 PM
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32. I know, I am terrified
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siouxsiecreamcheese Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:06 PM
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31. oh snap!!
guess i'm goin to hell!!:scared:
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:51 PM
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33. Flame away, but this isn't all bad.
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 12:00 AM by Nevernose
The reasoning behind it is certainly bad, but this isn't 100% evil.

1. Dress her like a girl. Let her have long hair. Let her wear lace and ribbons. Do not let her wear that which pertaineth to a man.

I don't really give a rat's ass what Deuteronomy 22:5 says, though. My kid can wear what she wants.

This must be started early in the life of a girl. If she never wears pants for the first time, she will always wear skirts. If she never wears mini-skirts for the first time, she will always wear skirts of a modest length. In these days of hot pants, mini-skirts, and pant suits, may God give us some old-fashioned mothers and dads who well rear some sweet, feminine ladies for our boys and dress them accordingly.

If she wants to wear pants, she gets to wear pants. If she wants to dress like a street whore? No way.

2. Teach her strict obedience. ... This means that she should never be allowed to argue at all. She should become submissive and obedient. She must obey immediately, without question, and without argument. ...

While teaching her to ask "why" is certainly important, I do expect obedience. I'm the parent, she's the kid, and she should do what I say.

3. She should not be allowed to play alone with boys. The parents should see to it that she plays with other girls. This is important for many reasons. .

I don't care what the other reasons are. I don't want her getting sexually abused.

4. Teach her how to be graceful in sitting, walking, etc. Every mother who has a daughter should be careful to show her how to sit like a lady, walk like a lady, and exhibit propriety and grace in her manners. (Note the chapter on MANNERS.)

What's wrong with manners?

5. Teach her to be an intelligent listener and an articulate conversationalist.

The rest of this section goes on to say all the various ways that a woman can entertain a man by shutting her mouth and listening. That I have a problem with -- the reasoning, but what's wrong with being an intelligent listener and an articulate conversationalist?

6. Teach her to make her dad feel like a hero.

Again, the reasoning is skewed, but what's wrong with a child ulitmately idolizing a parent? Maybe that dad is going to teach hsi daughter how and wh a woman should be treated? And not in a bad way, but as an equal?

7. Teach her to have the proper heroines.

Again, true, just not probably for the same reasons the original author did. What's wrong with Eleanor Roosevelt or Elizabeth the First?


8. Teach her not to be too forward to boys.

Okay, once again the rest of this is bullshit, but the thought in itself is okay. Hell, it was in high school that we boys discovered that, if you really wanted to know whether a girl liked you, you gave them YOUR phone number. If they liked you, they'd call. Pragmatic as well as being un-promiscuous.

9. Do not show off her talent to others. As is mentioned elsewhere in this book...

I don't care what's metioned elsewhere. Bragging, though, is just plain tacky. No one like a braggart.

10. Let her do things that enable her to be a necessary help to another who is in the limelight. This is very important for a young lady. This is helpful to a human being, much less a "lady."

A person's "lot in life," to quote the original author, should be to help their fellow Man, regardless of sex or gender.

11. Teach her to pull for her dad. The wise mother will teach the girl to make a hero of her father and always pull for him. She should pull for him in business and do all she can to help. She should pull for him in any athletic contest and do all she can to cheer him to victory. In everything he does she should stand on the sidelines and root for her dad.

Damn straight.

Replace the gender-specific pronouns with their opposites and see if you come up with the different meaning.


She is being taught to root for the biggest man in her life and to cheer and spur him on to bigger heights. When she is married she will transfer this to her husband and will be a great encouragement to him.

We were good with number ten until this point. Maybe she's just being taught to cheer for her role model and parent, regardless of sex and gender?

The mother must teach the daughter that when the father is a success the daughter is also a success. She is a very vital part in his success, and as a member of the team she can share the victory and the spoils. When this attitude is properly developed she will feel the same way when she is married. When the husband wins a victory it will be a team victory rather than a victory just for him.

THIS IS TRUE. The inverse should also be true, however: that when a woman is successful, the men in her life are also responsible for her successes. A team is a team, regardless of sex/gender roles.

12. Teach her to plan for a profession but to hope that it will not be needed. Yeah, we all want to hit the lottery. Mothers and fathers should teach their daughters to train for some kind of profession that is always in demand.

Good advice for any sex or gender, no? Why on Earth would I tell my sons to be shepherds or blacksmiths?

There is always the possibility that the daughter will never marry or that she will become a widow with children to rear and will not remarry. Because of this she should plan to pursue some profession that will enable her to support herself and her children in any eventuality.

No shit. See above.

She should be taught that if possible, she should not follow this profession when married. This gives her a dependence, if the opportunity arises to be dependent, but an independence if needed.

Why would you want to be dependant, period?

There are many professions that a young lady could pursue such as that of a school teacher, beautician, secretary, nurse, etc.

And college professor, advertising designer, corporate executive, doctor, etc.? Why would you want to limit your own children?

13. Teach her the sanctity of the body. Teach her that boys should keep their hands off and that her body should be clean in every way. She should care for her body. She should be well groomed and physically clean. Then she should also be moral and virtuous. Talk with her about situations which arise in the lives of most young ladies. Teach her how to handle each situation. Explain to her that that is the reason she should not be in a car alone with a boy. Teach her what to do if improper advances are made. Let her be conscious of the fact that her body is a very sacred thing and should always be treated as the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Again, I don't see the problem here. The motivations are skewed, obviously, but the end result is the same.

14. Teach her to do feminine chores. As is mentioned elsewhere it is better for a girl to do the dishes than the yard, to wash the pots and pans than the car, to clean the bedroom rather than the garage. She should do the duties that she will do when she is married and a successful mother and wife.

The guy who mows you lawn? He'd rather be washing dishes. Teach you kids to have enough gumption to go out and get a job with a future instead of a job where you mow other people's lawns.

Much stress should be placed on the importance of her working hard.

True. Especially if her goal is to get a poli sci degree from Georgetown.

It is not feminine to be lazy. In fact, it is quite feminine to work hard. It is not working hard that makes one unfeminine; it is the doing of masculine tasks.

So now you hate men for being lazy? I though women were supposed to be inferior and subservient? That THAT was their natural role? And who deciced what the "natual role" was? The guy whio didn't want to do the shitty jobs to begin with?

Wise is that mother who teaches her daughter that good hard work is feminine and that the work a woman should do should be that of feminine chores.

Wise is that mother who teaches her children that good, hard work is necessary, regardless of gender roles. That dogshit ain't gonna clean itself up off the floor, nor will the clothes iron themself.

15. Let her be around feminine women.

Ignoring the rest of the insanity, I'd like to point out that this question, when devoid of the orginal reasoning, is irrelevant.

16. Let her baby-sit. It should be remembered that someday she will no doubt be a mother. She can prepare herself for this and train for it by caring for little ones while she is a teenager. When a girl gets around thirteen, she should becomes acquainted with taking care of little babies and small children. Her motherly instinct will be developed and nourished. This is very important in preparing her to be a successful and happy mother.

Once more, if you replace the feminine pronouns with masculine pronouns, the point still remains the same.

17. Let her care for younger girls in the family. Let her dress them, do their hair, wash their faces, etc. Even a girl seven or eight can care for a little sister. She should be encouraged to do so. This will teach her to fulfill responsibilities, to carry the load in the family circle, to work hard, and to prepare herself for motherhood.

Potential motherhood or not, why shouldn't a child exercise a little responsibility?

18. Allow her to do no loud shouting or hollering. In fact, such should not be a part of anyone's household. The business of rearing children can be transacted without shouting or fussing. Especially should this be true in a girl, for the parent is to try in every way to make her quiet, meek, and feminine.

For a hundred reasons this is true, none of which are remotely related to making a woman "quiet, meek, and feminine."

It's just plain tacky, for starters. The same people that are teaching their girls not to yell should be teaching their boys the same thing: it's not gentlemanlly.

It's annoying, too, AND I've got a headache. And did I mention it was rude?


19. With the passing of the years, let her shop more for herself, and if she has younger sisters, let her aid them in doing their shopping. This will teach her to care for her own person and also for the needs of others.

Again, true. But regardless of sex or gender, what harm could teachig a child frugality do?

The most noble goal that parents can set for their daughters is to help them become Christians. The second most noble goal is to lead them to be ladies, for one of the great needs of our generation is Christian ladies. May God use this chapter to make it so.

Because Muslim women would never be able to follow a gender role as stringent as yours, right?
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:57 PM
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34. I don't really see the problem in letting girls play alone with boys.
I did it all the time. I was a total tomboy. We'd take off on our bikes and go fishing or hiking all day. Never had any problems.

I also knew how to defend myself (they all knew I could totally hold my own in a fight) but that is something that I believe all girls need to learn, at a young age, regardless of whether they'll be playing alone with boys or not.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:04 AM
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36. *rofl*
And you would be a textbook example of why your daughters shouldn't play with boys!!!! :D

:pals:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:09 AM
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38. First I was a tomboy, then I was just a dyke.
:pals:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:10 AM
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39. I'm still a tomboy!!!!
When do I gradumacate???

:cry:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:12 AM
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42. Well, I think you know what you need to do...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:24 AM
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46. I's ignert!
Edjumacate me, Miz Haruka! :cry:
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:07 AM
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37. Statistics.
Boys are more likely to molest girls than vice versa. Sure, it can happen either way, but it's usually smart to play the odds.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:10 AM
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40. molestors are generally adult family members and other authority figures
Fear of molestation is no reason not to leave a young girl alone with a boy of similar age unless one knows that he's troubled or has boundary issues that make that more likely.

And I agree with Haruka, all girls need to be taught to defend themselves.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:22 AM
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45. Okay, then, how about Paranoia as a reason?
Plus, soon she'll be a teenager. Middle-school. We can't all tell if the person we're going out with is "troubled or has boundary issues." I know that simple human biology makes this far more likely in the case of a male than a female (teenaged) child. Testosterone is a hell of a drug, especially in a patriarchal society that often says it's all right.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:34 AM
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54. Paranoia is never a good reason.
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 12:38 AM by haruka3_2000
I personally also think she's more likely to be able to have healthier relationships with men later on, if she's allowed to have normal innocent friendships with them as a kid.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:11 AM
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41. And if you really want the statistics to work in her favor, then...
get her involved in the martial arts. Not some lameass one like taekwondo either. Get her involved in one of the traditional styles of karate (with a self-defense focus) or jujitsu. She'll learn confidence and how to protect herself.

If she's not an easy target, then she's way less likely to be molested.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:28 AM
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50. Self-confidence makes a big difference
You better believe that raising your daughters to submit to men makes them molester magnets.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:31 AM
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52. Yeah. Having the confidence to know you can fuck someone up
makes you significantly less likely to have to fuck someone up.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:31 AM
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51. She wants ballet.
I tried showing her kung-fo movies, really. I tried taking her to a martial arts class.

She wants ballet.

Maybe I'm just hopelessly un-PC or hopelssly male, but I guess the best I can do for her is to prepare her psychologically. Don't go to bad neighborhoods; don't get in in dangerous situations. Learn how to tell which boys are likely safe and which ones are not.

Sexual assault aside, there's just the issue of sex and relationships. Which boys will use you, and which boys will do otherwise?

I think it's all about confidence and willpower. Whether that comes from martial arts training or from elsewhere, as long as she gets it -- no matter what happens to her along the way -- that's what differentiates a girl from a woman, or a boy from a man.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:33 AM
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53. You should still make sure she knows some basic self-defense.
And you're not doing her any favors at all by shielding her from the "dangers" of boys. Guess what? You can't. You might think you can, but you can't.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:34 AM
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63. Or buy her some guns and fireworks
Seriously, though -- GOOD self defense is something every girl/woman should learn. You can't physically overpower a man, but you can get an edge that will let you escape.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:57 PM
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35. You're absolutely right, some of the *advice* is good
But frankly, the rationale SUCKS HARD.

All this is about raising a girl to be a wife and mother.

What about raising her to be a happy person with her own destiny and her own ability to make decisions?? :shrug:

And this is the advice about turning a boy into a man:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/Dr%20Jack%20Hyles/Children/boy_into_man.htm
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:13 AM
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43. The advice on "being a man" is why women are so scrwed up.
Probably.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:25 AM
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47. What, you object to the part
about teaching your sons to box when they're 5? :shrug:
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:51 AM
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59. What makes this 100% bad
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 09:53 AM by Pithlet
Is that even the more "reasonable" sounding parts apply to women and girls only. It is the fact that girls should be raised with different standards that are getting people riled up. The whole point of this is to raise girls into submissive women. There is absolutely nothing good about this. This is crazy, whacked out evil thinking.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:20 AM
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44. Goodnight
:hi:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:26 AM
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48. .
:loveya:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:26 AM
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49. There's a big long list that I can't be arsed to read.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:35 AM
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55. I've fallen short
Chorewise, I've always had more fun washing the car than washing the dishes or cleaning the house. It was my husband who taught me how to operate power tools. While in the Navy, I learned how to check the oil and fluids in my car. I did not want to be in the same boat with a gal who was ladylike, but the engine of her car seized up due to having no oil. I even learned how to change the oil in my car. I was in a situation where I couldn't afford to be a meek "lady."

Uh oh. Sports. Our families and friends know that if they want to talk abour sports, they talk to me. My husband doesn't follow sports. He doesn't have a problem with me being a sports fanatic.

I hate cleaning the house. It makes me feel like a second class citizen. I hate the word lady: to me, it has the connotation of being inferior. In some other words, sit back, be quiet and let everyone else have what they want. You just get the crumbs.

Clothing: I wear what I want. Yes, I wore mini skirts. That when I was younger. I'm 45 now, so no, you will not see me in a mini skirt or a bikini. This is of my choice.

Strict obedience: Congratulations, you're setting her up to be sexually molested or assaulted. Obedient "victims" are the ones that molesters go after. Obedient children are easily manipulated.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:38 AM
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56. When the f*** was this written...?
Because the opening passage...

The women's liberation notwithstanding most men still want someone ladylike and feminine for a wife. To be sure, all good Christian men want submissive, feminine, ladylike, and godly wives. Yet, we live in a society which wants to homogenize the sexes. The boys wear make-up and the girls wear blue jeans. The boys wear flowered shirts while the girls wear work shirts. The fad is for the boys to be feminine and the girls to be masculine.


...reeks of 1972 to me.

:shrug:

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:10 AM
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61. 1974
n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:55 AM
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57. ...
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:03 AM
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58. Um....
This means that she should never be allowed to argue at all. She should become submissive and obedient. She must obey immediately, without question, and without argument. The parents who require this have done a big favor for their future son-in-law.

Oh. Well then.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:19 AM
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62. Is showing CLEAVAGE "dressing like a girl"?
It's feminine, isn't it? Darn sure ain't masculine.

:evilgrin:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:36 AM
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64. I KNEW it was my mom's fault that I'm gay
DAMN HER! DAMN HER TO HECK!!!
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ganeshji Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:24 AM
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65. That's funny
everyone I know is happy when I showcase my talent for wearing hotpants. It does take talent, you know? Is hot pink an ungodly color? Would I still be saved if I wear it?
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