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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:09 AM
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Snipers suck
My kids are home today because of Sniper Fear--the school district is closed after a routine inspection found two buses to have holes in them that may (or may not) be bullet holes. This is the southwest side of Columbus, Ohio where we've had more than a dozen random shots at cars and houses the past few weeks around the outerbelt(one death).

There goes the play the 6th grade has worked on for weeks, the parties before the winter break...and no assurance the kids are any safer outside school than in. Glad I'm "at home" and not scrambling for a baby sitter.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:09 AM
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1. I guess I agree
They sure aren't that fun
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:25 AM
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4. I think it's the seige mentality that bothers me
The creep needs to be stopped before someone else gets hurt or killed, but I am frustrated by the fear he has engendered. The risk of getting hit by a bullet is still very, very low--but folks are changing their driving habits (he's shot at homes, too, so that's pointless), changing their lives and living fearfully.

The terrorist wins again. And that pisses me off.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:15 AM
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2. These snipers are weak cowards...
their tactics offend the honorable warrior in my soul.

To attack with stealth is not dishonorable. To attack from range is not dishonorable.

To attack innocents like children IS dishonorable.

*spits indignantly*

I pray for you and your childrens safety. May you stay safe in the face of monsters like these.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:17 AM
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3. well if that's the case
Your beef is with those long scope rifle manufacturers as well as those who use those weapons.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:35 AM
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6. Indeed
I often long for the days of the sword and shield when men must look into their enemies eyes to do battle.

:shrug:

The time of the sword has passed though.

So to shall the time of the gun.

Replaced with the time of the (something even worse) eventually.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:14 PM
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28. didn't einstein say
That first were swords, then came guns, then came bombs, then came sticks and stones or something like that.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:11 PM
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27. The problem is the shooter
The weapons are inanimate objects.

The blame lies squarely with the nut pulling the trigger, nowhere else.
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:29 AM
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5. Take care and be careful my friend
DDQM
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 09:02 AM
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7. Thanks
Really, it's random enough that all you CAN do is keep an eye out for possible "oddities"--like a guy with a gun. They suspect he's modified a car to shoot from, but we don't really have much info at this point.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 09:06 AM
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8. Where do these freaks come from?
Goodness!

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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 09:52 AM
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9. From the heartland
Does make you wonder tho...
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:37 AM
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10. here is a link to the story
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:39 AM
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11. I'm sorry, Maeve.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 10:40 AM by Bertha Venation
I work in DC. I know how you feel. (The last person killed by the DC sniper was the husband of a friend here at work.)
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:58 AM
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12. That is worse
Our little sniper isn't as lethal---and we hope never will be.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:00 AM
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14. "worse" doesn't matter
I agree, I pray the OH sniper doesn't kill anymore and just QUITS. But I don't believe in comparative misery. The terror and sense of siege are no doubt the same. You're in my prayers.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:59 AM
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13. good call
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:26 AM
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15. Wanna bet your sniper has a NRA sticker on his pick up?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:28 AM
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17. Sucker bet
This is Ohio, after all!

And a hunting license, just not for humans....
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:30 AM
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18. Muhammed and Malvo's Caprice didn't have any stickers
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 11:31 AM by slackmaster
I'll take you up on that bet.

NRA sticker on a pickup truck - You win a bucket of beer.

Pickup truck with no NRA sticker - I win a bucket of beer.

Not a pickup truck - Wager is void.

What do you say, Ernesto? My reasoning is that people who are committing serial crimes strive to remain anonymous. Stickers of any kind tend to get the attention of police.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:28 AM
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16. Real snipers provide valuable support for combat troops
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 11:32 AM by slackmaster
The individual or individuals who are shooting randomly in Ohio are not snipers. The Ohio incidents are perpetrated by one or more plain old criminals, and apparently not even very good shots.

Shipers don't shoot randomly.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:25 PM
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29. thank you. I am getting tired of these punks being called
snipers too.
Semper Fi.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:31 AM
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19. Simple logic: fewer guns, fewer nuts using them.
There now, that comment oughta start a shit storm.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:34 AM
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21. That would be an appropriate topic for J/PS
Why don't you start a thread with that title there rather than sullying The Lounge with a topic guaranteed to degrade into an argument?
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 02:38 PM
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26. Sully the lounge?
HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:34 AM
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20. Be careful...
and hopefully that coward will be caught and brought to justice.

I find it really disgusting that a person like that has to prey on little children. What is this world coming to?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 11:36 AM
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22. Part of the problem is we don't even know if they were bullet holes
The vast "unknown" in this mess is a real cause of anxiety.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:07 PM
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23. Update--they are bullet holes
But they have no idea when the buses were shot. Investigation ongoing.

Crap on a cracker.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:31 PM
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24. I think a prediction pool would be interesting
Give the number and demographic characteristics of whoever is doing this shooting, and their motivation.

IIRC in mid-October 2002 the FBI profilers and all the pundits were pretty sure the DC "sniper" would turn out to be a middle-aged white male loner. Then everybody and his brother was looking for a white Ford van with a middle-aged white male loner. All that turned out to be bunk.

I predict the Ohio "sniper" will turn out to be two teenage Amish girls out wilding, sort of a Thelma and Louise gone all the way over to the dark side. They'll go out in a blaze of machine gun fire like Bonnie and Clyde, and everyone will ask "How could this have happened?"
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 01:13 PM
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25. I grew up close to one of the Muhammad/Malvo
sniper attacks (the one outside the school in Bowie, MD). There wer a lot of people freaked out in the area. People hid behind their cars when they pumped gas and stuff. It was really surreal.
Just shows how unnerving just a few shots at random people by a maniac can effect everyone's lives
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