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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 12:21 PM
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Children in the workplace discussion at the University where my wife works
There has been a rather heated discussion regarding on-campus breastfeeding and accommodating the like at the small University where my wife works. She breastfeeds our son and plans on doing the same for any future children. The university's cabinet has proposed a policy where woman who breastfeed would have to use leave time, or the BATHROOM, to breastfeed their child or to pump. My wife wrote a scathing message to the cabinet following the proposition. IN reponse, a lady wrote the following:

"...I am also in favor of the policy on breast-feeding. If the new mother
chooses to nurse, there are ways to accomplish this without expecting
special consideration from your supervisor. As this is a personal
choice, with wise use of break times and lunch times and the state of
the art pumping equipment available, this choice can be accomplished as
long as the individual has sufficient leave time. As with any choice,
the benefits and disadvantages need to be weighed before a decision is
made to breast-feed.

The bottom line is that when we accepted a position with ,
we made a commitment to focus on our job responsibilities during the normal
working day and with children at our side that focus is not at 100%. ..."
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I was pissed off. So I wrote this:

"The recent letter from MISS X, regarding the Children in the Workplace policy, is both misguided and patently offensive to breastfeeding mothers. While Ms. X waxes informed regarding the “choice” of breastfeeding, she misses the point entirely when it comes the consideration this University, as well as any other conscientious, forward-thinking employer, should make when dealing with this “choice.”

First, the decision to breastfeed a child is indeed a personal choice each mother must make after the disadvantages and advantages are weighed. The notable pros and cons would likely be the mother’s ability to produce an adequate supply; the mother’s personal beliefs and feelings regarding the practice; monetary aspects; time constraints etc. However, contrary to Ms. X’s assertion, whether or not one’s supervisor is going to accommodate the associated rigors of such a practice should not be one of those contributing factors. In simpler terms, in this new millennium, years beyond woman’s suffrage and battles for equal rights, a mother should not have to decide whether or not she is going to breastfeed her child based upon the fear that her employer will make the process difficult, uncomfortable or impossible. To conclude otherwise would be a regression in equal rights and contrary to the principles of the University’s goal of education and intellectual enlightenment.

Second, Ms. X’s approach regarding the regrettable “choice” to breastfeed one’s child is decidedly counterproductive. She writes “this choice can be accomplished as long as the individual has sufficient leave time.” . What Ms. X champions is a system where breastfeeding mothers would use their leave hours to accomplish the tasks associated with the practice. In other words, the breastfeeding mother is encouraged to miss work. Let me stress this point again. The breastfeeding mother is ENCOURAGED to miss work. One needs no formal education to realize that this engineers LESS productivity from the employee and MORE expense to the employer. Considering Ms. X’s obvious concern for the “commitment to focus on our job responsibilities during the normal working day”, her campaign to produce more sick and annual leave hours for the University to process is curiously bipolar.

Third, the reference to the “special consideration” from one’s supervisor is, at best, hyperbole. The request being made is to provide a place, other than a restroom stall, for a mother to breastfeed her child, or to use the “state of the art pumping equipment.” It is not as though University mothers will be forming a powerful breastfeeding workers labor union, or lobbying for a new breastfeeding “wing” to be added on to May Hall. On the contrary, the only request is that they be allowed to feed their children or pump their breasts in a place where people DON’T urinate.

Finally, it is not the goal of breastfeeding mothers to bombard other University faculty, staff and students with gratuitous frontal nudity or otherwise subject them to children who are obviously “distractive/disruptive to someone…” as stated in Ms. X’s editorial. On the contrary, if the University were to provide just a few locations where breastfeeding mothers were able to do so in private, away from the already “busy and cramped” University workplace, the issue regarding distractions and disruptions becomes decidedly moot.

If I may be candid here...let’s get real people. This is a place of higher education. This is a place where morals and intellect are valued. This is a place where progressive thought is nurtured. By continuing on without a formal, accommodative policy regarding on-campus breastfeeding, this University fails in all of those areas. As the oft-quoted cliché notes…this is not rocket science. It common sense."
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Sorry for the long posting. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I don't mean for this to be a flame-worthy subject. I just wanted to see if anyone thinks I was way off base here. I was a little angry and I've been known to go a little overboard.

What do you think?

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:05 PM
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1. A bit lengthy.
Awesome content, but it could be a bit more concise.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:14 PM
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2. I think it's good.
I feel very strongly about this issue, as well, and it sounds like what they are requesting is perfectly acceptable.

-from the girl who pumped in her car, in the bathroom, and behind a bookcase in her boss's office, for Pete's sake
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:44 PM
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12. Pumped in my car also.
I had an electric pump w/ a battery backup. I remember drives to and from work wearing a bra that would hold the "funnels" in place so that I could drive and pump at the same time.

No one ever suspected what I was doing.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:33 PM
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15. Oh, wow....
LOL, nice! I had an electric that I used for about 3 weeks before I got sick of lugging it around. Got a nice manual, and also learned to pump 'by hand' eventually... those ways, I could pump just about anywhere! Never pumped while driving, though!
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:38 PM
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16. I posted my reply to her in the wrong place.
So my seemingly random comment about pumping while driving 55 mph seems, er, random.

Oops.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:42 PM
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17. LOL, I see it down there!
That's pretty impressive, I have to say!
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:31 AM
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23. You can buy the bras
that have elastic to hold the "funnels" on. And if your pump had a battery backup it was easy to do. You didn't have to take your top off or even hold any of the equipment. You could still drive w/ two hands-just set the timer so that you can pull over at a set time.

A nurse that I worked w/ gave me the idea. Turns out that's what she did. She sold me her pump and bras-I just had to get the accessory kit.
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:05 PM
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3. It doesn't sound over the top to me
I think the LLL website has links to some info regarding how easy it could be for employers to assist breastfeeding mothers.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:15 PM
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14. The ultimate in multi-tasking.
Pumping while driving 55 mph.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:17 PM
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4. I doubt you'll offend anyone here.
But I could be wrong.

I think your response was spot-on.

There are numerous studies out there about breastfed babies being healthier. Even this month's National Geographic magazine talked about breastfeeding as a possible way to keep children from developing certain allergies.

Healthier baby = less time off for working mom.

When I was working, I was lucky to have daycare in my building. I didn't return to work until the kids were 3 to 6 months old, so their demand wasn't as much as when they were new-newborns. I worked a standard eight hour day, and used my breaks and lunch to nurse. I would occaisonally get a phone call from the center suggesting that my baby needed nursing - and if it wasn't near a break, I adjusted either my lunch or end of day to accomodate any time I used.

My employer even had a small room for nursing for those moms that wanted a little extra privacy. It wasn't big or fancy- just a small room with a comfy chair, table, lamp and footstool.

It is enough of a challenge to try to breastfeed for one year when working. I worked in the field several times a week, so it wasn't unusual for me to be pumping while driving in order to keep up my supply. I was lucky that my employer supported my efforts.

Employers that don't, suck.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:20 PM
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5. That is my opinion exactly.
And considering this is supposed a place of "higher education", you would think that they would be slightly progressive on the issue.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:21 PM
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6. UPDATE:
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 03:21 PM by WeRQ4U
My wife was just informed by one of the cabinet members that after our letter, "lactation rooms" will be set up in each building of the campus to provide space for breastfeeding mothers. Chalk one up for my wife and I. Lactivists UNITE!

Thanks for all the input, btw.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:24 PM
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7. awesome!
:applause:
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:24 PM
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8. yay!
congratulations!! :toast:
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:27 PM
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10. Thanks, my wife is STOKED.
She's been battling with these people since she began working there. She had to breastfeed our son in a training storage room that was filled with medical supplies and smelled of sweat socks.

She'll really like her new accommodations, I'm sure.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:27 PM
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9. Well done!
:applause: :toast:
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:30 PM
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11. Good job!
:thumbsup:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:12 PM
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13. Good for the both of you!
:yourock:
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:16 PM
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18. I'm curious - how many breastfeeding mothers does this place have?
Unless your campus is very different from mine, setting aside a room in every building sounds like a lot of space.

I'm happy for you and your wife, I'm just a bit curious about how this is going to work...
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:50 PM
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20. I'm not sure.
Maybe they meant every MAJOR building. First of all, this is a VERY small campus... like 1500 kids. There are only about 4 or 5 big buildings. I would imagine that's what they mean.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:26 PM
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21. That's awesome!
It's great that they found a way to compromise, even though my opinion is that people need to get over being uncomfy around breastfeeding moms.

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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:28 PM
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22. Wouldn't that be a perfect world?
But alas, it's not the way it is. Especially here in ultra conservative North Dakota. Apparently, a woman was asked to leave Applebee's here for breastfeeding her child, under a blanket, at the table becasue someone complained. Wow.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:33 PM
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19. Good.
(Did you expect me to write more? I'm a man of few words)
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