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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:14 PM
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Poll question: Favorite David Lean Movie?
And I do not want to hear from anyone: David Who?

Went with Lawrence of Arabia, although Hobson's Choice is a little-known gem.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:28 PM
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1. I gotta say Zhivago
There are just so many resonant scenes: Richardson and Klaus Kinski on the train, the first time we see Strelnikov, the shooting scene in the restaurant, every frame with Rod Steiger, the funeral at the beginning...

"I am now about to light the last half of the last cigar in Moscow..."
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:37 PM
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2. Great movie
Too many to choose from--most all his works are masterpieces.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:38 PM
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3. Great movie
Too many to choose from--most all his works are masterpieces.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:17 PM
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12. The visuals alone are worth watching any one of his films.
The gradual buildup from greys to color as the Revolution begins in Doctor Zhivago is extremely effective. Some of the visuals Lean and Freddie Young (his cinematographer) produced in the three films they did together belong in an art museum.

And to think that the majority of Zhivago was shot in Spain, with some of the snow scenes being shot in the sweltering summer weather.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:35 PM
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31. "Doctor Zhivago", for sure!
Everything about it... the yellow flowers in Siberia, the magnitude of the dam, Strelnikov...everything was superb. I can't praise it enough. It had a distinct impact on my life when it first came out.

The beauty of "Ryan's Daughter" deserves a mention as well.
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wakfs Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:45 PM
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4. River Kwai
One of the great moments in film history when Alec Guiness realizes he has just helped the enemy in wartime.

Awesome film.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:56 PM
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7. I guess Alec and David had quite the disagreement over how Alec's
character should be portrayed. I think they worked it out nicely.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:13 PM
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11. The central disagreement was this:
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 07:18 PM by elperromagico
Guinness wanted to interpret the character with a sense of humor; Lean wanted the Colonel portrayed as utterly humorless.

Apparently when they first discussed the character, Lean said, "Well, if we were having dinner with him tonight, you might find him a frightful bore," to which Guinness replied, "Oh, you want me to play a bore?"
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:44 PM
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15. What I heard was that Alec wanted him to be almost saint-like.
That's what the extra features on Kind Hearts and Coronets said!
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:28 PM
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29. Well, I got that story
from Kevin Brownlow's biography of David Lean.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:30 PM
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30. Well, they're both dead, so we'll never know for sure!
Whatever happened, they ended up getting it right, at least as far as Oscar was concerned.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:51 PM
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5. Lawrence hands down
I saw it for the first time over a year ago; it was a digitally remastered 70mm print. I was blown away. Great, great film. They don't make 'em like that anymore.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:58 PM
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8. Lawrence is also one of the most magnificently "filmed" movies
if you know what I mean--the colors, the settings, the angles--everything worked.

Just wished we'd seen Lawrence cuddling up with his little Arab boys, like he did in real life.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:56 PM
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6. These are some terrific movies, but I'll have to go with LOA...
The kind of movie that will never be made again: intelligent, all the stops pulled, true broad-screen, etc.

And to think, Peter O'Toole *didn't* get an Oscar. (Who did that year? Gregory Peck, for "To Kill a Mockingbird," which was richly deserved.)

"Lawrence of Arabia is one of the best films of all time.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:59 PM
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19. It was?
To Kill a Mockingbird is an important film, and I'd like to think that Peck won the Oscar for political reasons. Because Peter O'Toole could outact the late Gregory Peck any day. Peck had one screen personality, and even then didn't always seem comfortable in it.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 08:53 PM
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21. Not sure I agree, but he did have personality, and that made him a star
Seriously, most of the screen greats are remembered for their strong personalities--Crawford, Hepburn, Bette Davis, etc. The camera rewards personality more than it rewards acting ability.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 03:53 PM
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23. In my opinion, Peck won with great justification
there's one moment where he's sitting out on the porch while his two children talk about their late mother. The camera pulls in slightly on Peck's face, and the pain on it makes me cry every time.

It was an incredibly restrained, mature performance, and to my mind, better than O'Toole's performance as T.E. Lawrence. And I dearly love O'Toole.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:01 PM
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9. Kick for more votes!
Somebody's gotta choose one of the other ones, right?
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:21 PM
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13. I think most people know Lean from his epics.
n/t
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:10 PM
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10. I thought I was the only one who liked David Lean films.
Anybody here ever read Kevin Brownlow's biography of Lean? Great piece of work.

I went with Lawrence of Arabia, although Brief Encounter and Great Expectations are great early Lean films, Bridge Over The River Kwai is a great POW story, and Zhivago is good splashy romantic epic.

I can even tolerate Ryan's Daughter on occasion.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:45 PM
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16. I could have gone with Summertime--very different from what one
thinks of him, and another great performance by Kate.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:27 PM
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14. I voted "Bridge on the River Kwai"
because it is such a great anti-war movie. I own that, as well as "Dr. Zhivago" and "Ryan's Daughter". I have been to Dunquin, the town in Ireland where "Ryan's Daughter" was filmed. The setting is incomparable. Breathtaking.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:45 PM
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17. I voted Bridge on the River Kwai
Which is one of my favorite movies. I really love David Lean, he is one of the greatest directors of all time.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:56 PM
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18. Bridge on the River Kwai - easily
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 08:00 PM by mobuto
I hate Lawrence of Arabia - not because it isn't one of the greatest movies ever made, because it is - but because I find it horribly unpleasant. It is a profoundly pessimistic movie that indicts the human spirit, and while I recognize its artistic merit, I don't enjoy it.

As for Dr. Zhivago, I think its horribly miscast and, frankly, boring. I'm sorry, but Omar Sharif and Julie Christie? They somehow fail to suspend my disbelief. It is also in desperate need of an editor. Read Pasternak's book instead.

But from my perspective, Bridge on the River Kwai is damn-near flawless.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 08:06 PM
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20. I think the neocons in DC should be FORCED to watch LOA
It really indicts the British colonialism mentality, and hammers home the point that they are evry, very different from us.

We went in thinking we were going to change things over night back then.

How easily the same mistakes are made, when those iin power are ignorant twits!
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 09:18 PM
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22. Of course the irony is that T. E. Lawrence was transformed
into the "Lawrence of Arabia" we see in the movie and imagine in our collective memory by Lowell Thomas, a rather despicable American hack reporter.


It really indicts the British colonialism mentality, and hammers home the point that they are evry, very different from us.


But it also subscribes to the same orientalist prejudices which led to that mentality. It ascribes to the Arabians Great and Mysterious qualities, and falls back into the old pattern of turning them into Rousseau's Nobel Savages, while the Turks, the English, and most of all T. E. Lawrence, are shown as equal parts naive and evil. But the one quality lacking in all the characters, regardless of race, is humanity.

Peter O'Toole and Alec Guinness may be my two favorite film actors, ever, but they're given impossible roles and an even more impossible script.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:07 PM
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24. Just took out Bridge on the River Kwai from the library
We'll see if this makes me re-think my vote.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:12 PM
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25. AKABA AKABA!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:13 PM
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26. Are you saying that you want to move there????????????
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:16 PM
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27. nope, just thirsty
.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:28 PM
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28. That movie made me very, very thirsty!!!!!!!!!!!
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