Anyone want to discuss "The Sopranos"?

[Shell Beau]

Is Tony about to clean house?

[Wapsie B]

1. Looks like Vito ain't long for this world.

I think he's the one who was discovered in a gay bar.

[Shell Beau]

2. But who were the guys that discovered him?

Vito has to go. And Tony has his eyes open to that after Carmella warned him!

[Wapsie B]

3. It looked like the guys that discovered him were part of his crew.

Yeah I remember Carmella warning Tony about Vito. Bet they'll be a lot of blood with that hit.

[Shell Beau]

4. The hit Tony agreed to as a favor for Johnny Sacks?

[malta blue]

5. Tony now has to make the hit for Johnny Sac, but he

is unhappy about it. I think Vito offed himself.

[Shell Beau]

6. Vito has to go! He is getting a little too big for his britches anyway.

[malta blue]

8. well, actually he shrunk out of his pants...

He is so consumed with the diet too!

Plus, Finn will be happier...

[Shell Beau]

10. True! That is pissing Tony off too, that everyone is so much

"fitter" than he!

[RevCheesehead]

7. Yup. Why else was he drinking and staring at his gun?

[Wapsie B]

16. Yes. That's the one.

Although I couldn't quite figure out at the time who Johnny wanted whacked. But the more I think about it it's gotta be Vito.

[Jokerman]

22. Rusty is the one J.S. wants dead.

He sided with little carmine during their dispute and Johnny wants him out of the picture.

Rusty is played by Frankie Valli

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. no

they were the NY crew. He was in a gay bar in NY.

[Shell Beau]

29. What were the NY crew doing there I wonder?

Business I am sure, but do we know why they were there?

[THUNDER HANDS]

35. collections

they were collecting from the bartender.

[NewWaveChick1981]

39. They were part of Phil Leotardo's NYC crew.

[GalleryGod]

9. Look for this guy to return!

Take it to the bank.

[malta blue]

11. Now that would make a great twist!

[Shell Beau]

12. Furio! (or however it is spelled)

I hope he does. He is bad-ass!

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. he'll probably be the one

who is called up to take out that guy that the NY boss wanted taken out.

[dr.strangelove]

19. Alas, he will not be coming back

though I wish he would.

[driver8]

42. That's what I'm thinking...

They are bringing in some guys from Naples -- I have a feeling Furio will be one of them.

[Maraya1969]

13. There is a TV forum here. FYI.

[Shell Beau]

14. Yes I know that!

But this is the lounge and we have always discussed shows in here. And if you don't want to participate in the discussion, you certainly don't have to.

[dr.strangelove]

21. Yeah, but come to the TV Forum too

We are nice people who like to talk about Big Love and the Sopranos.

[Shell Beau]

23. Since I haven't been posting lately on DU, I want to mingle

with my lounge buddies! But I will venture on over there! I like Big Love! What a crazy show!!! :)

[dr.strangelove]

26. me too

come visit the TV forum. see you there.

[Shell Beau]

27. Hahaha! Okay!

:7

[malta blue]

15. sheesh

[dr.strangelove]

20. Tony kills Phil

It will get back to Jonnie Sack that Phil was attacking his manhood. Phil will make a play for control now that Jonnie is in jail and he cried at the wedding. Tony was so worried about apearing weak, but he fixed that with his fists. Jonnie can not do that. So Tony will whack Phil with Johnies blessing, which gets teh whole Tony B thing off his back and gets him in with Johnie.

[Shell Beau]

24. Phil is the gray headed jerk right? I get some of their

names confused at times! Will Tony try to keep it where Johnnie is still in charge of the New York crew? He and Tony have kept things pretty peaceful between the 2 groups.

[dr.strangelove]

25. yes

tony is not in one of the five families, so he can not head up NY. Johnie heads up the luccese family and the sopranos work under that family.

phil is the grey haired guy.
just my gut feeling.

[Shell Beau]

28. Okay, I thought Tony was head of the New Jersey family.

I didn't know they weren't one of the 5 familes. Interesting theory!!

[Jokerman]

30. They consider themselves a family

but the New Yorkers think of them as a "crew", which is a lesser entity in mob speak.

The Five Families refer to the old time mobsters who run New York.

[Shell Beau]

31. Ah, I learn something new everyday!!

So, really Tony is under Johnny Sacs? I didn't know that! He sure doesn't act like it. It seems like Tony's opinions & decisions carry as much weight as Johnnie's.

[dr.strangelove]

33. Well, Johnie Sack

speaks of them as a crew due to their size, but they are not one of the five families. They make their own guys and kick up to Sack for protection, just like anyone else.

[dr.strangelove]

32. well, that is the real world

There is a NJ family, the DeCavalcantes, that is independent of NY, but works with and "reports" to the Lucchese family in NY (meaning they have to kick in cash to make sure the other NY families and the Philly faction don't touch them). The NJ family was historically its own, but they have always worked with Lucchese because the Philly family has a violent history and they needed protection.

This is the real world, where do the Sopranos really fit, hard to say. they are considered independent, but they are only a 30 guy organization, so there is no way that they could take on Johnie Sack's Lucchese style family with over 200 guys.

[Shell Beau]

34. I am learning a lot today!!!

Thanks!! :bounce:

[meow2u3]

44. I heard the Sopranos was based on the DeCavalcante family

I remember seeing some doc on either the History Channel, Discover, A&E, or some other channel documenting the murder of a gay Mafioso. And they mentioned the Sopranos, who some believe is a fictionalized story of the DeCavalcantes.

[driver8]

43. Phil is also the guy that Joe Pesci, Robert DeNiro, and Ray

Liotta killed in "Goodfellas."

"Go get your fucking shinebox!"

[billyskank]

36. No!

:P

[XemaSab]

37. Not particularly, no

[Floogeldy]

38. I'm sorry to say that all of you totally missed the point of this episode.

It was a discussion about the acceptance or non-acceptance of gay men in certain circles of our society. There were those that wanted to kill Vito simply because they thought he was gay. Tony did not agree. He seemed to soften up and not so quickly jump to condemn Vito.

Jeez, people. Try to pay attention.

[Shell Beau]

40. Okay okay, you should pay attention!! This thread was

from LAST week! Not last night's show!

[NewWaveChick1981]

41. Vito's gonna hang out in New Hampshire for a while

He's gonna hide there as long as he can. He'll buy the license plate in the antique shop to put on his car to hide a little longer and maybe even start something with the shop owner. I freakin' LOVED the cell phone incident---the road crew guy picking it up and having a heated exchange with Tony, then throwing it under the steamroller. So much for that phone...

Yes, the episode was about acceptance/nonacceptance of gayness. IMO Vito is bi, not really 100% gay. He's probably been conflicted about whether he would rather be with men or with women, and I think he has his answer. From everything I've ever read/seen about the mob, they are notoriously homophobic---note the comment Tony made to Dr. Melfi during their session. He wanted to make absolutely sure she understood that he didn't do anything "gay" in prison.

[Wapsie B]

45. It is an interesting story line.

If things would've gone to the generic formula Vito would already be dead in someone's car trunk. But this puts a new spin on things. Damn though, someone's gotta get whacked pretty soon.

[NewWaveChick1981]

46. I know!

My husband and I were speculating that Vito basically starts a new life with the antique shop owner, then he's tracked down by Tony's crew and whacked. Who knows, though? I guess I'll just have to wait, lol!