Oscars: When Things Don't Go Your Way...

[Zomby Woof]

Folks, I didn't like "Titanic" back when it won, but when it did, my reaction was to get up and get another beer. It's fun when the movies you like get a nod, but when they don't, this upsets you...why?

It is kind of amusing to see all the histrionics about 'Crash' vs. 'Brokeback Mountain' vs. 'Good Night, and Good Luck'.

The simple fact is, all of these movies, and the many others which were nominated, were all worthy, because great actors and actresses, writers, directors, editors, producers, and countless crewmembers, worked their asses off so you could forget about your mundane lives for a few hours.

It's just a fucking gold statue, not the validation of your deepest wishes and desires. :eyes:

Like my Dad used to say, "Things don't always go your way." Or as I am saying, "Suck it up, and have a beer." :beer:

[Ediacara]

1. But Crash winning...

is like "Deuce Bigalow 2" winning.... It wasn't even in the same ballpark...

[Zomby Woof]

2. It's easy to be an armchair critic

Having actually worked in the craft, I see things a bit differently than all the Ebert wannabes out there.

[Ediacara]

5. And it's just as easy to say that a self-appointed artist is the

supreme arbiter of what art is and isn't. But we all know that that's not true.

Having not "worked in the craft" is not an excuse for belittling the artistic opinions of myself and countless others.

[Zomby Woof]

6. And getting bent out of shape...

Because a movie you didn't like gets an AWARD is only belittling one's self. I don't need to do it for you.

[Ediacara]

11. Excuse me sir

I said it was a poor movie, no shape bending on my part. Perhaps "Deuce Bigalow 2" was stretching it, but not by much... You seem to be the one getting bent out of shape to point out that you "worked in the craft" in an effort to belittle my opinion. You and I disagree about the movie. You've no need to point out how "experty" you are to make your opinion more correct.

[QC]

28. Comparing it to Deuce Bigelow is unfair.

I prefer to think of it as a Lifetime Thursday Night Movie. ;-)

[arwalden]

48. You Worked In The Movies?? That's Very Cool!!

What did you do?

~Allen
:hi:

[derby378]

3. Or, for that matter, CHICAGO

No offense to any of the actors, but I didn't think the movie was Oscar-worthy. Worth watching, sure, but not Oscar-worthy.

[Zomby Woof]

4. What is "Oscar-worthy"?

I figure if you want a movie to be Oscar-worthy, you have to join the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and actually vote. They and only they determine what is "Oscar-worthy".

[derby378]

10. And that's part of the problem

They awarded a couple of Oscars to Moulin Rouge, for cryin' out loud.

[LynneSin]

54. Come on, we all know Michael Douglas bought that Oscar for his wife

rumor has it he spent about $1mil in marketing her for the Golden Globe win.

I thought Meryl Streep was much better in Adaption as the crazed, orchid addict author

[k_jerome]

8. crash winning is like pulp fiction winning.

brokeback was the consensus popular pick.

[Zomby Woof]

14. I thought Pulp Fiction was well-crafted garbage

But it doesn't upset me that people like it. More power to them.

[k_jerome]

18. that is your opinion.

i think brokeback was good. crash was much better. the academy agreed. sometimes we don't agree.

[Zomby Woof]

20. That was the point of my OP

It's not the disagreement I have a disagreement with, it's the absurd tantrums that go with the disagreement. I am passionate about movies, and I have my strong dislikes of certain movies too (hence my "Titanic" comment), but I don't go apeshit... guess that makes me a freak around here. :shrug:

[k_jerome]

22. i respect the opinions of those that say a movie was better..

or worse on the merits. but to say that it was political or a conspiracy is ridiculous.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

51. Total bullshit.

Wow... just wow. Did you even see it?

[henslee]

53. Let me pile on. I have not seen it but it looks like Grand Canyon on crack

Schmaltz. Fake. Melodrama. And this is just from the trailers. I have good enough radar to stay away from this film.

[LiberalGuy000]

7. uh...

For some of us, it matters. Some of us have strong opinions about this and understand how seriously people around the world look at the award winners.

ZombyWoof, if it doesn't matter to you, then don't participate in the discussion.

[Zomby Woof]

13. I take the craft seriously

So I damn will take part in the discussion. And my contribution is to laugh at those who get their knickers in a knot over the outcome of an awards ceremony and missing the big picture (no pun intended).

You do not have any power in deciding who does or does not have the right to participate in any discussion, on DU, or anywhere else.

[cynatnite]

9. Just put 'Crash' as my next rental at netflix...

I haven't seen it so I can't comment on if I think it's worthy in my own personal acadamy award pics.

Brokeback's been my favorite with Good Night a very close second. I enjoyed both very much.

As with any movie, it's all subjective and what I think should win usually doesn't. :shrug:

I'm still recovering from the four hour long commercial of Lord of the Rings.

[jpgray]

12. But cornflakes on chicken--there's an issue for fervor and strong words

:rofl:

People feel strongly about what they feel strongly about--they have a perfect right to. What matters to you (see above) may not matter to someone else. Why should the converse concern you?

[Shine]

15. Yup, I totally agree, Zomby.

:thumbsup:

they were all deserving, in their own ways. :applause:

[Zomby Woof]

17. Of course

And because I love acting, and have been a film fanatic all my life, that means I should withdraw from this conversation, right? :crazy:

[Shine]

23. Nah, just have a beer with me, buddy.

:toast:

some people get worked up about stuff, just let 'em be. That's their trip. No biggie....

....water off a duck's back.....

:pals:

[Zomby Woof]

26. I find it funny

You, me, and enigmatic... and LynneSin! We can all go off to the Crash Tavern and have a bottle of Brokeback Ale. :toast:

[Shine]

29. Sounds good to me.

They were both great flicks that moved me deeply. I'm glad they were both honored. :toast:

Here are the ones I have yet to see:

Munich
Walk the Line
Capote

[Zomby Woof]

32. Walk The Line was great

I am a big Cash fan, so it was a must-see. The scenes recreating his Folsom Prison concert were eerily brilliant. I was happy for Reese. She deserved her win!

[Shine]

36. Yup, I agree. She's adorable.

there was some other Reese W. thread going where somebody was dissing on her, who supposedly knew her personally...it was way over the top....

I swear, it's bizarre how people get sometimes....:eyes:

I can't wait to see Walk the Line. Unfortunately, it's not showing anymore in town at any of the theatres. We would've seen it on Sat nite, but we ended up seeing Transamerica, instead.

Have you seen that one yet? Felicity Huffman was truly amazing in it. :thumbsup:

[Zomby Woof]

37. I have NO INTEREST in Transamerica

None. But I won't give anyone crap about it either. :-)

[Shine]

39. Fair enough.

Thank goddess for differences, that's what I say! Makes the world go 'round.....

:toast:

[tjdee]

16. And the thing people have to remember is that BP is for the entire film.

From the lighting to the sound to the acting to the costumes, etc. etc.

I've not seen Brokeback, but I am quite familiar with Ang Lee's work, and from what I've seen of clips, etc., Brokeback looks like a good drama. Period. I do think it got mightily shafted in the acting categories, but if we get past the "THEY'RE GAY" issue, which was the better made/paced/acted/scripted film overall? That's the question.

[LiberalGuy000]

19. some of us care

"Things don't always go your way." Or as I am saying, "Suck it up, and have a beer."

Yep. That's what the conservatives told us after Bush won again, wasn't it...

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

52. Seriously, get a grip.

You're comparing the Oscars to the future of our country. Grow the fuck up.

[enigmatic]

21. the angst over this

is some of the most unintentionally funny I've seen here in some time.

When you start wanting films to win an Academy Award because of the political/sociological content rather then the artistic content, you've
taken it in a direction it wasn't intended to take.

It's a Best Film Award, not Best Political/Culturally Significant Film Award.

[Zomby Woof]

24. I like it when films are politically and culturally significant

So I expect films that have those criteria to beat "The 40-Year Old Virgin", for example.

And that movie cracked me up to no end, in case people miss my point. Entertainment is the levelling factor.

But yes, it is unintentionally funny, isn't it? :D

[enigmatic]

27. When it has both, it's Gold

And there were a few in this year's category that had it, too. But like you you, I'm not going to get bent out of shape if the one I like doesn't win; it's not worth the emotion to me.

Although I wanted to leap through my TV set and choke James Cameron when he bellowed "I'm King Of The World" when he won:)

[Zomby Woof]

34. It is perfectly HEALTHY to want to choke Cameron

I have felt that way at least since T2. :D

[k_jerome]

40. t2 was awesome. nt.

[crispini]

25. Because it's more fun to flounce!

And swoon, and make overdramatic generalizations, and throw the china against the wall, and threaten to hold one's breath until one turns blue.

You, sir, are a Party Pooper. :evilgrin:

[LiberalGuy000]

30. agreed

Why ruin our fun ranting about feeling angry and cheated? :D

[northofdenali]

31. "When Things Don't Go Your Way..."

I'll take that brew, ZW - :hug::toast::hug:

Disappointment with the awards doesn't hold a candle to my fear for my country.

[Zomby Woof]

33. I fear nothing

And I don't even know what it means to "love" a country, let alone fear for it. I am at home wherever I hang my robe.

I am more out of touch with the mainstream than George Clooney. ;-)

[northofdenali]

35. I like George's way of being out of touch.

I love my country, it's my government I can't stand!!!

[jus_the_facts]

38. You said it....

...thanks for the rational commentary...such a relief from some of the idiotic postin' tonight...sigh!! :loveya:

:hi:

[Zomby Woof]

41. I can't even begin to tell you what is wrong with DU

100 beheadings near Baghdad, but never mind that, BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN DIDN'T WIN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HOMOPHOBIC FAKE LIBERALS!

[jus_the_facts]

42. Holy SHIT...I haven't read much news today....

:evilfrown:

....guess I need to get outta here and read about that...dammit don't EVEN get me started on some of the tripe around here these days...well you did get my last PM didn't you..sigh?! :eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

43. I got it

I just couldn't really enhance your point. :D

Hey, I am being called a fascist in GD, which is the height of surreal. Guess I better burn my Woody Guthrie albums. :-(

[jus_the_facts]

44. MAN.....

.....surreal indeed. :wow:

Yeah that progressed into some really pathetic assumptions about my mental state and ability to see reality...THEN the fuckwad had the GALL to say how *concerned* he was about me after several lenghty personal attacks...HEH!! :eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

45. People living in their parents' basement...

...with blacklight posters of Che on their walls, shouldn't throw bones! :D

(Mass-marketing the image of a Marxist is a wonderfully ironic concept, but they proceed unironically with it because they lack a sense of humor about themselves)

[HEyHEY]

46. You once started a flamewar about cornflake batter for fried chicken!

[RoyGBiv]

47. I'm glad someone said it ...

This all got quickly ridiculous, imo.

As I said elsewhere, I didn't really like either movie that has been the source of controversy tonight. I was pulling for _Capote_, but that's just me.

On a related note, I find it sad that a story or movie or song seems to have to be some grand, dramatic expression of the human soul on a global scale or just be "different" before people seem able to enjoy it or consider it good or worthy of recognition. To make matters worse, some people seem driven to see it as all or nothing; it either sucks so bad it must be driven from human consciousness, or it is so good that you must go out, now, and purchase tickets to see it for everyone you know or might meet on the way there just to be considered a decent human being.

Some of my favorite movies are hardly artistic masterpieces, but I find them quite entertaining, which, I thought, was the point.

[LynneSin]

49. I watch strictly for the Clothing and George Clooney

My wildest dreams came true when Clooney won!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

50. thank you.

[closeupready]

55. Yeah, it's not like anybody made these films to make $$$$$$$$$

:D

[DrGonzoLives]

56. War of the Worlds was THE ONLY CHOICE FOR BP

Clearly the Academy is a bunch of poopieheads.