People who refuse to broaden their tastes musically

[CatWoman]

I like all types of music.

My daughter used to get disgusted with me for listening to rock music.

When I went to see "Walk the Line", I was the only black in the audience, and people looked at me like I didn't belong there.

My brothers and sisters think I'm weird for my tastes in music. They also think that I put on airs.

Fuck them.


I got my love of country music from our father, who turned me on to Johnny Cash when I was very young. The neighbors used to laugh at our father for his taste in music.

I don't like all country music. I don't like all rap music. I don't like all rap music. That's why we have choices.

I get so sick of seeing the hip hop hating threads.

If you can't broaden your mind and tastes, that's YOUR problem.

[k_jerome]

1. amen. nt.

[Deja Q]

2. I made my counselor giggle...

Not like that :D, but in that I claimed I had schizotonal disorder because I liked music from every genre, including some that surprise many.

[crispini]

3. Damn right!

There is high quality music to be found in any genre if you take the time to get acquainted with the genre and seek out the good stuff.

[mtowngman]

15. hmmm, ever listen to string band music

like they play at the mummers parade in Philly. I swear everything sounds like wingy ding ding ding-wingy ding ding ding, then at the end of the parade they give a prize for best music.

[crispini]

18. I must confess, no.

But maybe some of it's really good? :shrug: :silly:

[crispini]

19. I must confess, no.

But maybe some of it's really good? :shrug: :silly:

[ghostsofgiants]

4. I'm fine if someone doesn't like hip-hop, that's their taste.

But to claim it's not music and that it needs to die? Fuck that. Ignorant bullshit.

[bigwillq]

5. Great thread CatWoman!

Free expression and creativity, there is nothing wrong with that.

ALL music is ART.

:hi: :hug:

[derby378]

6. I'm a big Public Enemy fan

I don't have anything against hip-hop. But I do have something against uninspired, cookie-cutter, sounds-like-everyone-else gangsta-bitch hip-hop.

[Deja Q]

14. Quite.

Public Enemy is real. (and not gangsta)

Queen Latifah is real.

I can't believe either of them got that idiotic "parental advisory" warning, especially Latifah.

MC Hammer is a bit of a mixed bag, but he's got his moments. But the best artists, IMHO, are PE and QL.

I recall a couple of tracks from Kid'n'Play (?) from In Living Color season 1 DVD set... I'm going to look them up too.

Still, of the three only Hammer had a nasty downfall - by "selling out". Later, more and more people started selling out and didn't get the backlash.

[derby378]

22. I also like most of the acts on CHAPELLE'S SHOW, too

So there is potential in hip-hop. It's just that a lot of performers don't even try.

[bliss_eternal]

27. Mos Def is brilliant, imo--

I also really enjoyed Erika Badu and another old school hip hop group who's name escapes me at the moment. :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

38. Parental advisory

primarily to warn good, god fearing, surburban parents that their precious tots will be listening to urban individuals, that may occasionally utter an obscenity and it might corrupt their little angels. :eyes:

[bliss_eternal]

25. Now THAT'S the hip-hop/rap that *I* like!

I really miss the days of Public Enemy, Run DMC, Africa Bambataa, Kool Moe Dee, Queen Latifah, Monie Love, Salt n' Pepa, Kwame, Kid n' Play, Boogie Down Productions, KRS-1, etc., etc.

I'm going to admit right here and now, that I did like NWA, despite the fact that I don't care for the current incarnation of rap that was spawned by NWA and other groups like them. I liked them because when they came out, they were telling a truth that hadn't been told. It was musical, street anthropology. I dug it.

What I don't like is the culture and insanity that has come after them in copycat, cookie cutter mode--for the sake of sales and money. I feel it has been damaging to african american youth and the culture, not to even get into all the ills this culture commits concerning women. :puke:

Didn't really mean to go on a rant. LOL! Just wanted to say, I really miss that kind of rap. The rap that tried to teach and uplift, even the sometimes silly rap that was just about having fun (Kid and Play, Will Smith, etc.). That era seems to have come and gone, and I do miss the time when rap was about more than hustlin', pimpin', violence, hoes, bitches, etc.

Despite my personal feelings about the rap I dislike, I wouldn't advocate censoring it or abolishing. I'd love to see it go away, for the reasons I state above--but I choose to not listen to it, or I turn the channel when the videos come on tv.

Thanks for the thread Catwoman. :hi:

[fleabert]

164. you should see Chappelle's Block Party- and the soundtrack

comes out soon. Dead Prez are just what you are looking for- I feel the same way about rap as you do, I was inspired after seeing Block Party. There is hope, there are artists out there who remember it the way we do.

ack! didn't read the whole thread- I guess you did see it- amazing huh?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

7. Amen!

I listen to everything under the sun.

This week alone, I've played the Allman Brothers, Beastie Boys, Tom Waits, Johnny Cash and Miles Davis.

[cynatnite]

8. I can't help I don't like polka

:)

I grew up mostly on country and western and today my kids are often surprised at what I listen to now. It's a lot of blues, bluegrass, rock, opera and so on. I shocked the hell out of them when I bought a Ja Rule CD.

I make a point of playing a lot of different kind of music around the house. My kids love all kinds of music because of that. My daughter is a huge blues fan. She loves Aretha and Ray Charles.

[CatWoman]

9. did you know that Weird Al Yankovich got his start playing Polka?

[cynatnite]

11. No, I didn't...

I still have 'Eat It'. :)

[CBHagman]

176. Well, you know what k.d. lang said.

"To dance is human. To polka is divine!"

Seriously, stay away from the Great Lakes area if you really want to avoid polka music and/or the dance itself.

[alarimer]

10. Well taste is highly subjective

I personally do not like rap or hip-hop. I do not like jazz very much or big-band music either. or for that matter "standards"- treacly crap. But what I really, really hate is almost anything made in Nashvile- that pop-country shit sucks big time. No way is that even art. Tim McGraw can kiss my ass, even he is one of the few Democrats.

[mvd]

76. Well, it is subjective, and I like some pop-country

So there. :-)

Tim McGraw can be pretty entertaining. Is he one of the best? No, but artists like Patty Loveless, Alan Jackson, Martina McBride, Garth Brooks, and the Dixie Chicks are wonderful.

[cssmall]

12. It's not that I hate hip hop per se. . ,

I respect the early hip hop because it's fun and I give much respect to NWA and other artists and groups like that. It's when it becomes pop that it loses its' respect. I don't like the music, but I respect their message and their effort. Personally, I'm a metal guy, does that mean I like Poison or Motley Crue, etc? No.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. I have very diverse taste

I don't like rap, but it isn't music. :)

[Initech]

16. Damn straight!

One look at my CD collection will tell you that we all march to the beat of our own drummer.

I've got everything - several hip-hop albums, tons of jazz, heavy metal and classic rock, and I'm starting to get really into funk and reggae. Oh and I'm also a big Johnny Cash fan as well!

[CatWoman]

17. I like heavy metal, too

ah, the MTV days.............

[bliss_eternal]

29. Nothing I like better than guitar feedback--

ala Kurt Cobain. :headbang:

I'm very fond of the 90's videos of the Seattle Sound, the 80's soft-metal and Limp Bizkit before Durst completely lost his mind. LOL!

I can go in our collection and pull out AC/DC, Live, the Beatles, Queen, Oingo Boingo, Prince, the Clash, Cyndi Lauper, Madonna, the soundtrack to Schindler's List, etc., etc, etc....I LOVE music in many incarnations and forms! :hi:

[Initech]

159. There was a time when Durst didnt lose his mind?

When was this?

[CatWoman]

160. ROFL!!!

:rofl:

[bliss_eternal]

178. LOL!

OK, You make a good point. Thanks for the laugh, too. :rofl: He is quite a piece of work, isn't he?

Admittedly he's always been tipping the scales a bit toward crazy. LOL! But before Limp Bizkit got huge, he wasn't quite as egomaniacal, pretentious and insane as he became. I think he still was these things, and an arrogant little asshole to boot, but the characteristics were just lying dormant within, waiting for the opportunity to ruin his group and career.

:hi:

[Connie_Corleone]

20. I like all kinds of music too.

My family and friends think I'm weird because I like some rock bands. Hell, I'll even listen to some country music if it sounds good. I mostly listen to hip hop, neo-soul and 70's Disco. I like dance music.

[Blue-Jay]

21. I don't like genre musical snobbery in general.

I can't think of one single type of music that hasn't made me sit up and think at least a few times. Sure, there are shitty performers, but I can't think of any particular genre that doesn't has some value.

Except for Minimalism. That really sucks. The purpose of Minimalism is to make smart people say "Hey, *I* coulda done that!"

[CatWoman]

23. SQUIRREL!!!!!!

:hi:

[Blue-Jay]

24. CATS!

:hi: yourself!

[NashVegas]

26. People Who Only Love One Genre Don't Love Music

They just love that genre.

:shrug:

[bliss_eternal]

52. Good point...

:hi:

[WCGreen]

28. I love music that has a soul... that has talent behind it...

That frankly isn't boring....

The Pimp song tonight was simply boring.....

[bliss_eternal]

31. Phil Collins is boring to me--

but he's got an Oscar, too. Go figure. :shrug:

[WCGreen]

35. Your right on that one...

[DanCa]

30. Let's hear a shout out to Leadbelly

What you said about broadening musical tastes remind me of my brother and his love of Elvis.
I don't mind people who like or love Elvis' music. His beginning stuff at sun records was great and ground breaking for the time. However I am mad at people who think that Elvis is the be all and end all of music. Take my brother Doug for instance. He wont listen to anyone else but Presley. Now I know that is on the extreme end of things but I think you get my gist.

I recently started to expand my music taste. I have discovered a world of talent in Blues and Folk and yes Country music. I still wont listen to Toby Keith or Ted Nuggent mind you but that's because I don't like thier style of country or rock music that they play.

Personally while music is suggestive I think it's a shame to limit oneself to any genere. It's like readding only science fiction books. They are' great but by limiting yourself "only to sci-fi" your missing out on sword on sorcery, detective stories, comedy, as westerns. And if you really want to tick your neighbors off than try blarring some wagner opera at the top of the volume rather than Eninem.

Which brings us too rap. I get my daily share at the traffic stop waitting for the light to change.:D Seriously though I don't care for rap but that's my buisness. There are a few good rappers I like but they are few and far inbetween. See i'll admit that even in a genere I don't care for there is talent out there. I am probably just hearring a variety of rap which I don't care for. I still have no call to put others taste down however. In fact if you no of rap songs without alot of cursing(a personal preference only) please let me know. I'll gladly give it a try.

Peace everyone and hang in there, Danny.

[InvisibleTouch]

32. I have pretty ecclectic taste too.

There are certainly genres that I don't like, but even there (rap or heavy metal, for instance), I can find an occasional song that I really like. I just know my chances of finding a great new song are better in the genres I'm most fond of (80's rock, German pop, etc.). But imagine if we all liked the same things - we could never introduce each other to something new, and that would be unfortunate.

[CatWoman]

33. which is why I'm against calling for the death of any musical genre.

[bliss_eternal]

36. One man/woman's trash is another's treasure...

it's all good--to someone.

:hi:

[alphafemale]

34. I enjoy many types of music too.

As I've stated in other threads, I think "Pimp" is a fun song and it added a great deal to the movie.

It wasn't a "great" song. But songs nominated for Oscars generally aren't "great" songs.

But I liked it. It made me smile, hearing it the first time when watching the movie.

And everytime I've heard it since, I've smiled and thought of the movie.

[CatWoman]

37. two words: Celine Dion

that damn song from Titanic played so much, I developed hives :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

39. I was forced to forgive her for Titanic

after her comments on Larry King during Katrina. The woman made me cry! :cry: I love her now. Won't listen to her, but I love her!

[alphafemale]

42. I missed that...what did she say? nt

[bliss_eternal]

46. She went off on Larry--

He was being his usual glib self. She was very upset about the way Katrina's victims were being treated. Larry chimed in about her big donation. She went off! She said no one cares about her donation, nor should they when they can't even get a bottle of water. Then she started to cry and asked why they couldn't get any water or food. She went off about the reports of looting when people were obviously hungry and scared, etc.

She just lost it completely...I loved it! :loveya: I cried right along with her.

[alphafemale]

40. yuck... And that song had no connection to the storyline of the movie.

It played over the credits.

At least the sappy Disney songs that have won were sung by cartoon animals actually IN the movie. :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

41. How come I don't see people complaining about Eminem...?

last I checked, what he does is considered rap/hip-hop...

Just wondering...

[alphafemale]

44. Actually...some thread....somebody did.

And I thought that Oscar winning song was a large key to the entire movie too.

[bliss_eternal]

51. Wasn't it a key component to the story?

I've only read about the film, but based on what I've read I thought the song was an integral part of the story line, was it not?

:hi:

[alphafemale]

57. In both "8 Mile" and "Hustle and Flow" YES!

The Oscar winning songs were an important part of the story.

[Redstone]

43. Oh. So if we don't like what you like, we're bigots?

Redstone

[CatWoman]

50. reading is fundamental

I never once said that.

You need to check yourself.

I had to come back and edit to add this is the stupidest fucking comment I've been slapped with in a while.

[Susang]

88. You were way too nice

Way too nice. :rofl:

[crispini]

93. Bwahahahahahaha!

What a complete non sequitur.

[RandomKoolzip]

173. Duh.

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. Taste is one thing...when people say "X is not music"

They are making a definition argument, and it is not one based on their personal tastes.

You will never see a "Country music is not music" thread, or a "Rock is not music" thread. Never. You will see plenty of "Hip hop is not music" threads, and therein lies the racism. The fact that hip hop is a cultural form that is very much considered music by millions of people around the world doesn't matter to these people. That's not a matter of "taste." So called "personal taste is the excuse such people give, and nothing more. You see this clearly when they say "Hell, I don't like country music either." Whether you like it is irrelevant, I would say to such people, with their laughable evasions. You denied hip hop the status of music. You don't do the same for country. And that says everything that needs to be said.

Hell, I don't like country music. Me. I don't like it, mostly. Oh wait, that's not true. I like Johnny Cash, and Willy Nelson, and Iris Dement. But I know it's music. Even if I don't like most of it, I know it is music, and takes artistry, and craft, and a keen musical sense. I know that much about it, and would not deny it that status, ever. Can these same "non-racist" douchebags who post so openly here that rap is not music say the same thing. Or will they hide, as usual, behind their so-called personal taste?

[bliss_eternal]

48. Very well said!

:hi: Thank you for saying it!

I'm not big on country either--but like some of those you've named and a few others, but I would never say it's not music. I don't care for a great deal of rap that's out now, but I would never say it's not music. That just not cool and does smack of bigotry on some level as far as I'm concerned.

[alphafemale]

55. Thank you. This Anti-Rap backlash - HERE of all places...is sad

Why?

I don't get it.

It's not like the other two songs were anything outstanding.

C'mon of the three... "Pimp" was the best.

IMNSHO

[bliss_eternal]

68. Though many don't like to admit it,

there's still a lot of (subtle and overt) racism on these boards. I think this is why some feel it's important to call others on it, when they see it. Unfortunately, many aren't even aware that is what they are doing.

As is human nature, people are prone to arguing for their weaknesses...

[alcibiades_mystery]

147. It's not even a "backlash" ....just the LASH, updated

Gnaw mean?

[Floogeldy]

47. There is an artistic problem with rap.

1. Rap musicians, in general, cannot play a musical instrument.

2. Rap musicians, in general, cannot carry a tune.

3. Rap musicians, in general, write bad lyrics/poetry.

4. Rap musicians, in general, do not write "songs."

I love any style of music that exhibits some creativity.

:)

[bliss_eternal]

49. Those are a lot of blanket statements.

Unless you are one that has studied ALL rap, I don't know if it is fair or accurate to make such assertions. But sure, you're entitled to do so I suppose...

[alcibiades_mystery]

54. Jeez

Planet Earth was my place of birth
Born to be the sole controller of the universe
Besides the part of the map I hit first
Any environment I can adapt when it gets worse
The rough gets goin the goin gets rough
When I start flowin the mic might bust
The next state'll shake from the power I generate
People in Cali used to think it was earthquakes
Cause times is hard on the boulevard
So I bogaurd and never get scared I'm god
But it seems like I'm locked in hell
Lookin over the edge but the R never fell
Or tripped or slipped cause my Nikes got grip
I stand on my own two feet and come equipped
Any stage I'm seen on the mic I fiend on
I stand alone and need nothin to lean on
Goin for self with a long way to go
So much to say but I still flow slow
I come correct and I won't look back
Cause it aint where you from it's where you at
Even the Ghetto

I learn to relax in my room and escape from New York
Take a trip through the womb of the world as a thought
Thinkin how hard it was to be born
Me being cream with no physical form
Millions of cells with one destination
To reach the best part that's life's creation
Nine months later a job well done
Make way cause here I come
Since I made it this far can't stop now
There's a will and a way and I got the know-how
To be all there is to be and more
To see all there is to see before
I'm called to go back to the essence
It's a lot to learn so I studied my lessons
I thought the ghetto was the worst that could happen to me
I'm glad I listened when my father was rapping to me
Cause back in the days they lived in caves
Exiled from the original man and strayed away
Now that's what I call hard times
I'd rather be here to exercise the mind
Then I take a thought around the world twice
From knowledge the form back to knowledge precise
Across the desert that's hot as the Arabian
But they couldn't cave me in cause I'm the Asian
Reaching for the city of Mecca visit Medina
Visions of Nefertiti then I seen her
Mind keeps travelin I'll be back after I
Stop and think about the brothers and sisters in Africa
Return the thought through the eye of a needle
For miles I fought and I just fought the people
Under the darks skies on a dark side
Not only there but right here's an aparthied
So now is the time for us to react
Take a trip through the mind and when you get back
Understand your third eye seen all of that
It aint where you from it's where you at
Even the Ghetto

No more props I want property in every Burrough
Nobody's stoppin me because I'm thorough
Rhymes I make give me real estate for me to own
Where ever I bless a microphone
Double O seven is back and relaxin
On point and reactin and ready for action
I'm so low key that you might not see me
Incognito and takin it easy
Quiet is kept on the hush hush
In front of a crowd I get loud
There's a bum rush
But calm keep a low pro and play the background
Hoping the wack rappers put the mic back down
So rip it break it in half go ahead and slam it
Cause when it's time to build I'm a mechanic
I'm bondin and mendin attachin and blendin
So many solos there is no ending
People in my neighborhood they know I'm good
From London to Hollywood where ever I stood
Footprints remain on stage ever since
Sidewalks and streets I leave fossils and dents
When I had sex I left my name on necks
My Trademark was left throughout the projects
I used to get rich when I played c-lo
When I rolled 4,5,6 they go we know
So I collect my cash then slide
I got my back my gun's on my side
It shouldn't have to be like that
I guess it aint where you from it's where you at
Even the Ghetto

-Rakim, In the Ghetto

Also the author of such uncreative lyrics as

The only time I stop is when
Somebody drop and then
Bring em to the front
Cuz my rhyme's the oxygen

No, nothing very creative about that rhymne scheme....:eyes:

[bliss_eternal]

61. It's easy for some to make blanket, generalized statements

bordering on bigotry when they've not bothered to actually learn anything about the thing they criticize.

It says more about them, than it does about the thing they hold such contempt for...

[jpgray]

67. You call rap lyrics bad lyrics? You, a Yes fan?

:rofl:

Jon Anderson vs. Nas, now that would be a massacre.

[alcibiades_mystery]

74. Here's some Nas, just to demonstrate

It's - the - return of the Prince, the boss
this is real hardcore, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit's soft
sip criss, get chips, wrist gliss, I floss
stick shift look sick up in that boxed up Porsche
with the top cut off, rich kids go and cop the source
they don't know about the blocks I'm on...

The scheme itself is a marvel of assonance, alternating a short "i" and short "o" sound on and on and on. It's quite frankly astounding from the perspective of poetics. That he manages to actually make a point in the midst of this verbal wizardry is only more impressive. Let's see Floogeldy come up with even two lines of comparable skill.

[bliss_eternal]

79. I wonder how many that criticize the lack of creativity

have bothered to even read lyrics or listen closer? Not many I would dare say...

I think it's funny that I'm defending something I'm not really a huge fan of. LOL!

[alcibiades_mystery]

82. That's my point in post 45

I'm not a big fan of country music, but I know enough to know that it is amazing at its best, and requires incredible talent. One need not be a fan to recognize that much. But when it comes to rap, people deny it even that, and then hide behind the fact that they are not fans. It's racism, pure and simple, to deny to rap its musical quality. And, as I said, you never see the same thing said of other music. Hell, I don't like death metal, but I know that at its best, it requires musical talent and creativity, and is an art form. That others find it so hard to say the same about rap is only a symptom of a deeper problem.

[bliss_eternal]

114. Glad you said so!

Thank you!

There's a small group of us that seems to be the 'racial police,' incessantly calling others on their bigotry on DU. It's nice to have someone else do so...

:applause:

[DS1]

153. What POINT?

Are you insane?
That was total shit. Look how rich I am, in fact, you don't even know how rich I am

Yeah, brilliant..

[bliss_eternal]

53. I'm wondering how many of these arguments were made

when Shaft won many years ago?

[Floogeldy]

56. You mean a written song, with musicians, a theme, lyrics and a singer?

:)

[bliss_eternal]

59. I mean a song written by a black man, that speaks many of

the lyrics (an early form of rap)?

I'm sure there were many strait-laced, purists that were offended or put off that a song from a black film about street life won best song when Shaft won.

Any other questions? :)

[Floogeldy]

120. Your race card keeps coming up blank.

:)

Rap Music: Not musicians, not singers, not writers, bad poetry. Pure fact, no color.

[bliss_eternal]

126. Oh really?

I see far more posts supporting me, than your bigoted blanket statements. Why don't you try reading some of them?

I guess it's just easier for you to continue to try to delude yourself with the idea that your weak blanket statements and stereotypical assumptions are facts.

:rofl:

That must be so comforting...

[Floogeldy]

130. "Far more posts" means nothing. Calling me a bigot means nothing.

My point was, and remains, that Rap musicians, in general, cannot play a musical instrument, cannot carry a tune, write bad lyrics/poetry, and do not write songs. That includes Eminem.

It has nothing to do with bigotry. :)

[bliss_eternal]

132. Me thinks thou 'dost protest too much.

If the shoe fits...

If not, ignore it. Your choice. But I stand by my comments. You're the one making sweeping statements about an entire genre that you obviously know little about.

:rofl:

[Floogeldy]

133. Think harder.

While you are at it, identify for me a Rap artist who is well known for playing a musical instrument or being a great singer. :)

[bliss_eternal]

134. Do your own work.

If you're interested, do some research yourself. You've made it clear your mind is not open. If you don't think there is a possibility for the existence of such, why should I waste my time? You're already set on what you believe.

I have better things to do with my time than play teacher to one that seems content with making sweeping statements about an entire group of people on a progressive board, and then defending it...

[Floogeldy]

136. You wrongfully called me a bigot.

Now, you can't dispute my points about the artistic problems with Rap.

I rest my case. :)

[bliss_eternal]

137. No. I choose not to offer examples to one that isn't open.

There's a difference. I value my time and energy more than to do so.

I'm not at all sure why you take issue with me. I'm hardly the only person on this thread has made the statements you seem to take issue with.

I still feel that what you said was broad, blanketed and yes bigoted. I'm entitled to feel that way. Again, ignore me if you feel I'm wrong. I stand by what I said.

Or is it just that you can dish it out, but can't take it? :rofl: Interesting...

[Floogeldy]

138. You can't name one Rap artist who can play a musical instrument or sing?

Again, I rest my case. :)

[bliss_eternal]

141. Accidental double post...

[bliss_eternal]

142. What case?

You haven't made one. You haven't bothered to cite examples. You've merely made generalities and sweeping statements that you seem to smugly believe have to be true because you think they are. :eyes:

I see, it can't exist because you haven't seen it. Riiiight. Your world view of music is spot on accurate, because...you say so. :rofl:

Yes, of course that will hold up well in any court. :rofl:

It's also interesting that you've been so insistent and hounded one that clearly stated they are not a big rap fan. Several others on the thread have said they are...why wouldn't you ask them, if you cared or were sincerely interested? I don't think you do. I feel that you just like to argue things that have no point. I could be wrong, but that's the vibe I get of you... :boring:

It seems to me, this challenge is about you being right in your own mind. It has nothing to do with the facts. It seems some silly game you want to play. As if saying that you "rest your case" or are right is somehow sufficient to push or bully me into doing research for you. Or in admitting that you are right. :eyes: Don't you have anything better to do? :shrug: :rofl:

Some examples:

The Roots. A rap band. Here's a shocker, they are called a rap band because they play instruments! :wow: They have back-up singers. Sometimes they sing, sometimes they rap. Their percussionist is one of the best in the business. He's played with other groups on awards shows, including rock groups. Again, shocking. A guy from a rap group plays an instrument well enough that a rock group wanted him to play with them. :eyes:

Ever hear of The Fugees? Of course not. :rofl: Look them up.

Lauren Hill was in the Fugees. She's a fantastic singer. She happens to play guitar and piano. She produced her first solo project, which was critically acclaimed and won ridiculous amounts of Grammy's. Yes, she also raps. I challenge you to find someone that thinks she doesn't have a fantastic singing voice.

Wyclef Jean from the Fugees, also started as a rapper. He plays guitar and sings. He has a good enough singing voice that his album was Grammy nominated. He produces albums for other artists. Know anything about the production process? I would think it demands one knows something about music...he does lots of that. Look him up, if you care or dare.

Queen Latifah. Started as a rapper. She sings quite well. Sang in the film Chicago, released an album of jazz standards to critical acclaim and a Grammy nomination. She's been invited to sing for the Oscars, the Emmys and the Grammy's. She sang at the Oscars with Catherine Zeta Jones as well as with Burt Bacharach.

Will Smith Grammy award winning rapper, plays piano. Also has a genius level iq and was admitted to MIT right out of highschool.

Jamie Fox, rapper and sings quite well. Well enough that NBC gave him a show featuring his singing. He's also sung at the Grammys and MTV awards shows, playing the piano and singing with Alicia Keys.

The guy that did much of the score for Quentin Tarantino's film Kill Bill, was part of Wu Tang Clan, a rap group. He is known as a rapper, his monkier is The RZA. But he produced the score, Quentin asked him to do so. I would think such a job would require one to have knowledge of music and instruments, and oh yes to even be creative.... :eyes:

Oh, but you're right of course--I couldn't even name one... :eyes: :boring:

:sarcasm:

[Behind the Aegis]

146. A little help for you...

mu·sic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (myzk)
n.
The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre. music

Your 'analysis:'

Not musicians: not required to be "music."

not singers: not required to be "music."

not writers: not required to be "music."

bad poetry: opinion

'Music' takes on many forms...is Enya not "musical" because she doesn't always sing and create "bad poetry?"

So, here is some education: "Rap MUSIC:" IS "The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre."

[alphafemale]

63. shut yer mouth!

:D :hi:

[CatWoman]

65. but I'm just talking bout Shaft

can you dig it? :D

[alphafemale]

71. Da-da-DUM Da-da-DUM

Da-daDUM--BOM! :D

[Floogeldy]

123. Perhaps you blindly support Rap because you are black?

Is that it?

[CatWoman]

148. where did all this stupidity come from?

I said I like all types of music.

Funny you didn't ask me that about country or rock.

Moron.

[CBGLuthier]

156. Woooooow

What a silly thing to say.

I'm mostly white. Hate emminem love Public Enemy find the Beasty Boys to be quite good at times.

WTF does race have to do with it? Rock was invented by black folk too and that exact sentiment you expressed was used to put it down back in the 50's.

It's all music people. No one is insisting you like it or listen to it. But to say it isn't music is culturally ignorant.

There is music produced in the pacific islands that doesn't have a lot of melody.

Why, those silly asians only used five notes when everyone knows we should have 8, or 12, or maybe even those crazy-ass indians with 22 or 23 depending on the time of day and what the hell is harmony anyway?

Shheeee-fucking-ya-eeessh

[CatWoman]

157. irony, much like reading skills, have escaped that person

from my original post:

I don't like all country music. I don't like all rock music. I don't like all rap music. That's why we have choices.

[RandomKoolzip]

170. Dude, you are fucking out of line.

Seriously. You need to back down now, because you've already lost this argument, and now you're just being obnoxious and insulting.

[bliss_eternal]

66. ...he's a baaaaaad....

;) :hi:
I'm talkin' bout Shaft!

[alphafemale]

75. John Shaft!

One thing I really miss about cutting the cable umbilicus is seeing some of those classic movies every so often.

[bliss_eternal]

90. During February,cable showed them ALL!

For black history month...Coffy (Pam Grier), Shaft (the original), Shaft (the remake with Samuel Jackson). If they didn't show them, my husband and I would rent them--we love those movies!

[LynneSin]

58. I picked the Pimp song for the award tonight

I thought that it winning was one of the highlights from the Oscars tonight.

Of course I figured there would be one major upset for tonight and I picked Terrance Howard over Phillip Semour Hoffman. I guess I went for the wrong upset

[bliss_eternal]

64. Terrence Howard was the choice of a few critics I read...

I heard his performance was quite strong. (I haven't seen it yet). I was rooting for Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[alphafemale]

96. Terrence had me from his first line in "Hustle & Flow"

He was incredible.

Haven't seen Capote, yet. But the clips do seem convincing that Phillip was deserving.

Go rent "Hustle" And watch for the "Mormon" line. :D

[bliss_eternal]

119. I will--

it looks like I'm going to have to watch Crash now, too! ;) It did win Best Picture...

[alphafemale]

125. "Crash" is a draining movie to watch

It's good...

But it hurts.

[bliss_eternal]

127. Kind of why I was avoiding it...

I tend to avoid movies with that subject matter.Not all of course, I just feel I've seen enough of that in my lifetime in addition to the fact that all I have to do is turn on the news, come to these boards, or just deal with reality to see it, if you know what I mean.

But I'll give it a shot at some point.

[alphafemale]

131. If you DO go rent it to watch?

Have somebody with you.

This isn't one you want to watch alone.

It really hits some good points.

One's I think you'll "get."

[Skittles]

60. WHO looked at you?

I WILL KICK THEIR ASS

[CatWoman]

62. SKITTLES!!!!!!!!!!

:hi:

Streak sends her regards :D

[Skittles]

70. HOWDY MIDORI

I have a new kitty, Riff Raff, an injured feral stray I had catch with a feral trap I ordered over the internet!

[CatWoman]

72. that's such a cute name

thanks for taking the lil fella in :D

[Susang]

91. Need some help?

I'm available! :D

[Solly Mack]

69. History was made tonight at the Oscars. Rap won.

I cheered. The movie Hustle and Flow was incredible and the scene where the music came together was powerful. The song should have won and I'm glad it did.

It's winning also slapped mainstream America across the face - and that too was a beautiful thing. Sometimes, it's the only way to open doors in society - to smack down barriers as hard as you can.
People cheered Clooney's remarks about being the "first" and "out of the loop" well...that tradition was continued tonight. Hollywood honored Rap with an Oscar. Yeah, Grammy's are nice - but it's not an Oscar.


I love Johnny Cash and I grew up listening to the Carter family. :)

[bliss_eternal]

73. As mentioned above, they honored R&B/Funk w/Shaft--

I'm sure that was jarring at the time. I recall Hayes performing the theme on stage wearing chains--awesome sight, amazing performance.

:hi: Solly!

[Solly Mack]

78. Shaft wasn't Rap though

but yeah, it was jarring for some folks. Deliciously so. The movie as well as the song.



:hi:bliss_eternal

[alcibiades_mystery]

77. Didn't Eminem win for Lose Yourself?

:shrug:

[Solly Mack]

81. Yeah, he did win but there's a difference :)

and yes, I am saying that folks fear the image of black "gangsta" rappers

a lot of people can't look beyond skin color and their stereotypes

so yeah, it's history

but maybe it's only history to some of us...

[alcibiades_mystery]

84. Really?

:shrug:

[Solly Mack]

87. Really

:)

see my reply above

and YES, I stand by it 100%

and don't really care who it offends

[alcibiades_mystery]

94. I'm sure you've been sufficiently rebellious

But I can't find a reply that explains the difference for me?

Could you help me out?

[Solly Mack]

98. I'm sorry - could you be any more condescending?

:)

[alcibiades_mystery]

100. Whoa!

Insecure there much? I wasn't being condescending (I am now).

I was trying to figure out your position, which you still haven't provided. Do you have one, dear?

[Solly Mack]

101. and are you being sufficiently rebellious enough now?

LMAO

[alcibiades_mystery]

135. Me? Never

Then again, I don't go around spouting about how I think blah blah blah, and I don't care who it offends, etc., so I probably can't muster the self-congratulation for rebellion anyway.

What was your point again?

[bliss_eternal]

95. I'll stand with you...

I got your back--agree with you 110%.

Btw, check your inbox! ;)

[Solly Mack]

103. Thanks!

:)

Did - and Thanks again!!!!

[bliss_eternal]

83. You're right, he did!

Thanks for the reminder! :hi:

[alphafemale]

89. Yes. That song was a core part of the movie.

The look on that woman's face when she first hears HER voice played back to her was IT.

It's not the "greatest" song this year.

It's not the truest example of Rap.

But it made that movie.

And to me that is what a best Oscar song should do.

AND it was better --hands down-- than either of the other two nominated songs.

[Solly Mack]

97. I grew up around street rap before it made it to the studio

been a fan for damn near 30 years - and it's been around longer than most people realize. It's evolved, adapted and incorportated many other styles...I think the movie version is less of a rap song - more funk - in the movie...


I agree - the song did everything a best Oscar song should do..defintely the best of the nominated (hands down)

[alphafemale]

105. I'm hoping the problem is so FEW people have actually seen Hustle & Flow

I think IF they saw how the song fit to the movie they would understand.

The lyrics are funny --- IF you see the movie.


Removed from the movie...


Maybe they would be offensive...?


I'm really baffled at this backlash.



I mean....


What should have won?

[Solly Mack]

107. I wondered about that. How many actually saw the movie

so they could see the song in it's proper context.

I *hope* it's because they didn't see the movie.

The movie was one of empowerment. I was dazzled - made dizzy - and I cheered the characters.

[alphafemale]

112. It was about empowerment!

And I don't think it was marketed that way.

All I heard was a Pimp in a Mid-Life Crisis...

That didn't make me want to see the movie at all.


I picked up the DVD from the rental store out of curiosity.

I was hooked from the first line. "Ya see.. A Man's not like a dog"


It was about people finding themselves and following their dream.

"Everybody's gotta have a dream."

[Solly Mack]

113. Exactly!

It grabs you from the start - if you let it. And I did.

[bliss_eternal]

109. A friend and I almost got beat up

for insulting a neighborhood rapper that was in a movie we were viewing in a neighborhood theater. We were so young, and just being silly, and didn't think anything of it. But some guys in the theater got so pissed at us.

The rapper was Iced Tea. The movie was Breakin'. We watched that guy rap at Venice Beach, and thought nothing of making fun of him. :blush: Those guys were serious about their rap. LOL!

[Solly Mack]

110. Dang! I'm not that serious about any music

I've poked fun at Iced Tea myself. LOL

I do like to hear him speak though...

[bliss_eternal]

116. LOL!

Just being silly kids, talking stuff at the movie screen. Didn't know others would get so offended. :scared:

Looking back, it cracks me up though. Back then, he was going through his Curtis Blow phase, and hadn't really found his inner rap angst and rage. LOL!

[Solly Mack]

118. These are the breaks

I guess ;)

better tighten up on my backstroke

[bliss_eternal]

121. He was so sad--

There's only one Curtis Blow. He just came off so pitiful.

I feel that Iced Tea came into his own in the 90's...New Jack Hustler from New Jack City and of course, the Bush sr. admins' personal favorite, Cop Killer.

[Solly Mack]

124. He really did - come into his own

Some music is just meant to be in your face - for a reason.

[Cleita]

80. I like country music. Weird but I do. n/t

[bliss_eternal]

86. Nothing wrong with that. I absolutely adore Daniels fiddle

(Charlie Daniels) in Devil went Down to Georgia. I now know he's a huge freeper--but his violin on that song is nothing short of electric!


:hi: Cleita!

[Cleita]

92. I love The Devil Went Down to Georgia. Yeah it's too bad that

our lovely President divided us that way. When I was up in Idaho all the girls loved Garth Brooks, so I had to listen to his music over and over and started to like it. There is a particular song that reminded me of the place when I wasn't there, "Thunder Road" I think was the name of it. I think old Garthy though is a bit of a liberal.

[bliss_eternal]

104. My husband said that, too--

that he thinks Garth is leaning to the left. I told him I doubted it, given his roots, but now I have to wonder--A DU'er thinks so too. LOL!

[RubyDuby in GA]

85. I agree. Especially when you consider how much older music

is sampled in newer songs.

I was simply delighted to see the rap song win tonight's Best Song at the Oscars. It was simply the song that fit it's movie the best. And to see the passion of the performance and the joy of the winners compared to others who accepted the highest award you can get for film work, it was great.

You have to listen to all kinds of music to realize just how interconnected they really are, how much they've evolved from one another and how much they compliment one another.

With that having been said, I really hate the country shit out there now. Toby Keith??? :puke:

[bliss_eternal]

99. RubyDuby--

You crack me up! Toby Keith....:rofl:

It's interesting that artists like the Beatles revered blues artists, Woody Nelson was very good friends with Ray Charles, my memory is failing me but I know there are other examples. But music experts on an internet board find no value in music created by urban artists. Yes, I called them artists.

[RubyDuby in GA]

155. "music experts on an internet board find no value in music created by ...

urban artists"

Which is rather unfortunate. The music coming from urban artists today provides a glimpse of what life is really like on the streets of an urban city. So-called "experts" choose to ignore it because if they listened or paid close attention, they'd be forced to admit that there are real problems out there that need immediate attention. It's easier to ignore.

[mvd]

102. Good thread!

I'm open minded and definitely don't subscribe to music snobbery and the "there's no good music anymore" mentality. I tried giving hip-hop a chance, but I just like traditional singing a lot more. I can tolerate Eminem and Kanye West. Also, death metal is just too noisy for me.

But my CD collection has variety: Brie Larson, The Beatles, Bruce Springsteen, The Bangles, Loretta Lynn, Garth Brooks, Madonna, Aaliyah, Steve Earle, Avril Lavigne, Frank Sinatra, The Corrs, New Pornographers, Loreena McKennitt, Pearl Jam, Luther Vandross, Garbage, Radiohead, and Sufjan Stevens are all in it.

Hi, CatWoman!

[bliss_eternal]

106. Aaliyah was a Nine Inch Nails fan--

I remember her saying that at the MTV awards show she attended before her death.

I ADORE Garbage! Butch Vig is a kick ass percussionist! Shirley Manson rocks!

[mvd]

108. I didn't know that - interesting

I have enough variety that I can probably get in positive music discussions with most DUers. And I'm working on those genres I don't like. ;-)

[bliss_eternal]

111. Me too...

It's funny to me, that I'm defending a genre I don't necessarily care for. But I can see some value in genres I don't necessarily listen to a lot.

Death metal tends to frighten me, when they do that rough devil, voice thing--lol. Also gives me a bit of a headache...but I'm trying to develop more of an appreciation for it. :shrug:

I loved Manson's cover of Personal Jesus. It was so much better than Depeche Mode's version.

[CatWoman]

152. MVD!!!

:hi:

I know you're a music lover. Thanks.

[alphafemale]

115. And Hank Williams (not Junior) Music can send a chill up my back

Hear the lonesome whippoorwill
His song's too blue to fly
The midnight train is a-winding low
I'm so lonesome I could cry

I've never seen a night so long
When time keeps crawling by
The moon is gone behind the clouds
To hide his face and cry

Have you ever seen a robin weep
When leaves have turned to brown?
Like me he's lost his will to live
I'm so lonesome I could cry

The silence of a falling star
Lights up a purple haze
and as I wonder where you are
I'm so lonesome I could cry

[bliss_eternal]

117. LMAO! I recall that song from Shawshenk Redemption--

whenever I hear it, I think of that.

[alphafemale]

122. LOL! Hank Williams (Sr) may have been the first singers to get panties...

thrown at him.

In pictures he doesn't look like much...

But the voice was good and girls go for those sad sack stories...:D

Especially if a guy can sing.

btw

Hank Sr ended up passing out drunk in his car and freezing to death.

Real young too. Somewhere around thirty.

Waste.

[bliss_eternal]

128. Oh no--I didn't know that about him!

The way he died...how sad. :(

[Broken_Hero]

129. True, I agree....

It boggles my mind, when I ask people what kind of music they like, and they only say one GENRE, like Metal, or country...I have a ton of music, I got Fear Factory(speed metal) to freakin Celine Dion, to the Lion King Soundtrack, to Mozart, to Allison Krauss and Sara Evans..and everything in between...Eminem, Fugee's, Coolio, Dr. Dre to Johnny Cash, dance techno music, to rod stewart...man, I got a lot of tastes, just like in movies, i cant watch the same type of movie over and over again, and I'm like that with music...If i'm pissed, its Slipknot time, if i'm depressed its REM, Chicago, or something sappy as can be, and so on and so forth...:)

[GoddessOfGuinness]

139. I'd like to buy you a beer.

:beer:

I don't understand the obsession with berating music either. We all have our likes and dislikes; but that doesn't mean that something we dislike "sucks".

[DanCa]

140. Bad Copy Cat, :people who refuse too taste broads :D

Because am too chicken shit to put this on its own dang threads. Hey it was either me or Crazy G I just felt that it would hurt less if I said it. :D

[Pushed To The Left]

143. I agree 100% n/t

[tjwmason]

144. Depends what you mean by "refuse to broaden their tastes".

I'm not about to start listening to hip-hop - but I've got nothing against it.

By virtue of listening to classical music I've already got a far broader base than most folk. But even within classical music there's a vast array of stuff I don't like - but I realise the difference between "I don't like" and "not good". I really don't like hip-hop, but I'm certainly not about to say that it's all rubbish, still less call for its demise.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

145. I disagree with your tastes, but I totally agree with your sentiment.

Very well put.

[supernova]

149. You're a peach, CatWoman!

:thumbsup:

I agree with you 100%

[SoCalDem]

150. Please don't hate me Cat.. I wuves you , BUT

I haven't listened to music since the 70's:).. I still have my old albums, but no needle for my ancient stereo.. I think I have two cds that my kids gave me..still unopened..somewhere:)

The cassette player thing totally passed me by, although we still have our 8-track player and even some unopened 8-track tapes..(Probably Capt & tennile or Carpenters)

Can we still be friends? :loveya:

[CatWoman]

154. LOL

Just as long as you don't make me listen to "Muskrat Love" :rofl:

:loveya:

[ProfessorGAC]

151. We Agree But Disagree At The Same Time, Cat.

I don't hate country or rap (to use your examples). But, they also don't do anything for me. So, i don't feel any obligation to "broaden my horizons" by listening to music i don't care about.

I don't see the bashing aspects as productive, a point on which we agree. Even if one doesn't like it, it doesn't require putting down a genre or those who do! But, i think country is too rhythmically static, new country is too derivative of classic and 80's rock, and i, interestingly, think far too much rap music lacks rhythm and feel. So, those styles leave me cold. I don't think i would be broadening my tastes to listen to music that i already find lacking, and for sound musical reasons.

I will stick to jazz and rock, thanks.
The Professor

[CatWoman]

183. that's why you're the professor

:hi:

[Catchawave]

158. My music collection includes

Beethoven to Eminem, Andrew Lloyd Webber to Jonathan Larsen. Elvis to Barry Manilow.

I'm a fan of any music that speaks and feels for me !

[ContraBass Black]

161. I haven't listened to Cash. What do you like about him?

I enjoy Country with a good story when other people are listening to it, but I haven't investigated it myself.

[CatWoman]

162. JC has such a strong, stirring voice

and a very spiritual side.

Reminds me of listening to spirituals with my Grandmother on Sunday mornings.

You should listen to "Hurt"

http://www.losthighwayrecords.com/e/cash11403.html

Edited to add that those lyrics were originally written by Trent Reznor of 9 Inch Nails.

He got pissed at Johnny for doing his song until he heard what a great job JC did.

[ContraBass Black]

165. I wasn't very impressed by his voice.

I liked the first verse, though.

[CatWoman]

167. different strokes

:shrug:

I find his voice very comforting.

[ContraBass Black]

168. I spent half of last night listening to "Strong as Death, Sweet as Love"

By Al Green. That was my comfort.

Are you close to somebody that sounds like JC?

[CatWoman]

171. not that I know of

However, I also like Eddie Rabbit's voice. And Juice Newton's voice. And Patsy Cline's voice. And Shania Twain's voice. And Tupac's voice. And Barry White's voice. And Barry Manilow's voice. And Johnny Mathis' voice. And Luther Vandross' voice. And Perry Como's voice. And Bobby Darrin's voice. And Frank Sinatra's voice. And Boy George's voice.

And so it goes...............

[ronnykmarshall]

163. FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY!!

[CatWoman]

166. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:hi:

[eyepaddle]

169. It's good to keep an open mind

I'll confess there are a lot of different kinds of music which bore me (generally stuff that is completely vocal-centric turns me off), what bums me out is when people throw out a completely subjective statemtn about "feel" or "art."

Has anybody heard somebody claim that they only like music which lacks all feeling? If it doesn't float your boat, it doesn't float your boat--no point gettin' cranky--just move on.

It's actually pretty easy to avoid stuff that bothers you these days--satelite radio, ipods etc, it like the old days when you HAD to listen to whatever was popular.

I'll take a little Hardanger fiddle now, if you please! :D

[atomic-fly]

172. Cash is awsome...

Please check out his last few albums produced by Rick Rubens, they are amazing.
There is great music in all genres and there is crap in all genres.

[realisticphish]

174. Today alone

JUST today, I have listened to:
Cyprus Hill
Rammstein
In Flames
The Sex Pistols
Boston
Bob Marley
Tom Petty
Metallica
Rage Against The Machine
Public Enemy
Mudvayne
Type O Negative
Pink Floyd
and
The Doobie Brothers

I think I have a pretty broad taste :D

[no name no slogan]

175. Best thread today!!!

My upbringing was similar to yours in many ways. My parents divorced when I was four, and both had very different tastes in music.

Dad was a country boy, and got me to appreciate Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Creedence Clearwater Revival. My mom, OTOH, listened to a lot of soul music, and was a big fan of the Commodores and Earth, Wind & Fire.

Nowdays, I listen to all the above, plus jazz, some hip-hop, some indy-rock, and a lot of flamenco, too.

Music comes in all different flavors, like ice cream. And I enjoy all of it.

Except for Ted Nugent-- he eats ass. :P

[CBHagman]

177. Can I vent about something?

I have a friend who more or less automatically dismisses any cello soloist who isn't Yo Yo Ma and any violin soloist who isn't Itzhak Perlman. In his eyes, a classical recording is top-notch if it has one of those two performers, no one else. No Janos Starker or Lynn Harrell or Jacqueline Du Pre, and no Gil Shaham or Nathan Milstein or Jascha Heifetz. This drives me INSANE, considering that there are literally thousands of recordings by great violinists and cellists, past and present. It's the musical equivalent of saying that frying is the only way to prepare chicken, or that apples are the only fruit. :grr:

[khashka]

180. True!

Each musician brings a unique interpretation. I might like it or not like it - but if they have any skill at all, the music evolves, changes, mutates, offers something new.

My favourite classical piece is Beethoven's Ninth (yeah could I be more stereotypical?) but each time I hear it played by a different orchestra it's a new piece.

Khash.

[warrens]

179. I just saw a Van Morrison interview

He said he got turned on to Hank Williams by John Lee Hooker. Genre means nothing. To me, authenticity does.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

181. i dont like most music

hip hop being one of them....i dont think i have a big problem

music is about taste

and we all have different tastes

[JitterbugPerfume]

182. AMEN to you Midori

I am 65 yr old and I made up my mind a long time ago that I would NOT become an old fuddy duddy about my taste in music (and other things)

[Nikia]

184. I like a variety of music too

Each genre has it's own strengths and weaknesses and good songs.