star trek, star trek, star trek....

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where have you gone.....?????

[Benfea]

1. I'm not a proper Star Trek fan.

I hate the original series. With a passion.

I loved Next Generation. I think Deep Space 9 is the finest Trek series out of all of them.

I tried to get into Voyager, and watched it semi-religiously even though I didn't really enjoy it that much (I was hooked by then). However, as soon as they introduced Barbie Borg, I stopped watching it altogether. I watched the premier of Enterprise and decided to not watch any more of that.

PS — Sisko was the best of all the Star Trek captains. By a long shot.

[WildEyedLiberal]

3. OMG! A kindred spirit!

Don't give a shit about TOS.

Loved TNG.

ADORED DS9.

Liked Voyager okay.

Never watched Enterprise.

Hmmm, Picard was easily my favorite character on TNG, so as far as best captain, it's a totally a tossup between Picard and Sisko. The Picard and Kirk wars are hilarious though - there's NO fucking comparison. For me, Picard is the John Kerry to Kirk's George Bush. In other words, a brilliant, cultured, battle-tested diplomat versus a womanizing shoot-first-ask-questions-later cowboy.

[Benfea]

5. I like to sum up the captains by how they solve problems.

• Kirk Sleep with an alien chick. Have a spaz attack and give a halting speech about vague generalities. Wait for Spock or Scotty to save the day.
  
  
• Picard Have meetings. Have more meetings. Have meetings about the meetings. If the problem hasn't been bored to death yet, have a few more meetings just for good measure.
  
  
• Janeway Have a meeting. Engage in mother-protecting-her-young posturing. If snarling doesn't scare away the problem, open your mouth and frighten it away with your incredibly annoying voice.

In the time it takes the other captains to do all of that, Sisko would already have kicked butt, taken names, made a dinner for his regular girlfriend, and felt guilty about whatever rules, regulations or people he had to run over to get things done.

[Science Of Myth]

49. I see these as the case FOR Kirk personally

...womanizing shoot-first-ask-questions-later cowboy.

KIRK Sleep with an alien chick. Have a spaz attack and give a halting speech about vague generalities. Wait for Spock or Scotty to save the day.

Picard is *boring* and the rest are afterthoughts to me

[laheina]

8. I couldn't have said it better myself. nt

The last poster lost me at Sisko. He was cool, but I think I lean a bit more toward Picard.

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4. "Enterprise" was hard to watch

sorry I left out DS9 - wasn't my cup of tea, but I did watch it from time to time and it did have some bright spots.

but star trek to me will always be "to boldly go where no one has been before" "to seek out new live, new civilations" - that's what they did in TOS. TNG. amd Voyager - DS9 was differnt in that respect.

Exploration.

on edit: you hate the original - ????!!!!

blasphemy!

[Benfea]

6. I wasn't in the country when it first aired.

Everyone tells me "it was great writing/acting/directing compared to what else was on TV at the time," but that was slightly before my time. By the time I was old enough to appreciate sci-fi, I was living in other countries, so I still didn't have any perspective. I didn't really see it until I was a teenager in the 80s, and it looked patently awful to me.

The fact that DS9 didn't involve as much exploration was one of the things that made it better in my opinion. All the characters stayed mostly in one place, and so they had to live with the consequences of their actions.

[laheina]

10. The original was before I was born.

It was a product of the time that created it and never really appealed to me either.

DS9 wasn't my favorite series, but it had some awesome subplots regarding to the interaction of different beings, sociology, religion, politics, and whatnot. I think it had other levels to it, compared to some of the other shows.

[Benfea]

13. All that and also...

…they weren't afraid of taking controversial topics head on without bothering to sugarcoat it with a layer of cheesy metaphors.

[LeftyMom]

18. But he's black on the other side!

:rofl: Yeah, Gene Roddenberry was lucky to escape the Hauge for some of those tortured metaphors.

[LeftyMom]

16. DS9 is awesome

I'm watching the first season on DVD right now and I'm amazed how well the writing and effects stand up considering that the early episodes are 15 years old now. At the same age early Next Gen episodes looked unforgivably cheesy. The thing about DS9 is that there aren't any *really* bad episodes. Sure, there are weak ones like Move Along Home, but there's nothing that makes you want the last hour of your life back like The Omega Glory or Skin of Evil does.

After that I'd have a hard time choosing between a really good TOS episode and a really good Next Gen one. I can't be bothered to watch Voyager or Enterprise. *yawn*

[laheina]

25. You're a namer!

I can never remember the names of the shows. I make people tell me what they were about before we can discuss them.

Does that make me less of a fan?:shrug:

[LeftyMom]

27. No, i just have a good memory for detail.

The Omega Glory is this one:
http://www.ericweisstein.com/fun/startrek/TheOmegaGlory.html

Skin of Evil is the one where Tasha Yar is killed.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68350.html

Move Along Home is this one:
http://www.tv.com/star-trek-deep-space-nine/move-along-home/episode/20823/summary.html

[Benfea]

30. Mmmm, it gets better and better as it develops, too.

My favorite Next Generation episodes were the ones that involved lots of really ugly politics, and DS9 is almost nothing but ugly politics.

[WildEyedLiberal]

34. DS9 is INCREDIBLE.

You have Season One?

Have you seen the episode where Kira meets that Cardassian accused of war crimes? I forget the name of it... too much beer tonight... I think it was called "Duet"...

SO AMAZING. Seriously, that show has such pertinence for today. You so need to watch seasons 5-7 with the Dominion War story arc. "In the Pale Moonlight" is one of the best episodes of any TV series ever.

:loveya: DS9

[LeftyMom]

38. Oh, I saw all those when they were new

I'm just working my way through the series from the beginning on DVD now. :)

[WildEyedLiberal]

39. I've shown my age.

I watched it on syndication... I have a couple of seasons on DVD, but I've seen most of it in syndication.

I think Odo is my favorite DS9 character. Such a prickly misanthrope, and yet so lonely and angsty.

[Orrin_73]

47. Completely agree with you about "In the Pale Moonlight"

is one of the best trek episodes ever. If one thinks about the dirty stuff the government does, it is very accurate about the present political events.

[billyskank]

36. LeftyMom you are making nerds' hearts flutter everywhere

:loveya:

[Benfea]

37. Indeed.

*swoon*

[Strong Atheist]

2. Where? Where no man has gone before...

... the womens bathroom?

[SeattleGirl]

7. TNG is my favorite Trek series.

Didn't care much for the original, except for a couple of episodes.

DS9 was the second best of the series.

Voyager was okay. If I miss an episode, it didn't bother me.

Never watched Enterprise.

[Oeditpus Rex]

12. And here I've been having fantasies about you

dressed as Janice Rand.

See if I ever let you touch my communicator again. :grr:

[SeattleGirl]

19. Aw, gee, sorry to burst your bubble, dude.

:evilgrin:

[SaveElmer]

9. Original was the best IMO...

That one you really had a feeling it was an adventure...

As much as I liked the later ones (didn't get into Enterprise), I always had the vague feeling that the crew was riding in a hotel in space...Everything was a bit too comfortable

[laheina]

11. Especially the women's uniforms.

Just kidding. ;)

I think that TNG was less about exploring, and more about getting along with the others that they had found. That's just my opinion, though. :shrug:

[SaveElmer]

23. I'm geeky enough...

To have gone to several Star Trek conventions...but not so geeky I would actually think about dressing up....

I've also been to the Str Trek experience at the Las Vegas Hilton...that was cool!!!

[genie_weenie]

14. TNG was by far the BEST

TNG saved the franchise. Well to be fair Wrath of Khan (STII) and Voyage Home (STIV) really did the saving. But, TNG had the best story lines, the episodes dealing with terrorism and the Klingon Sins of the Father ones were great and actually had moral dilemmas in the plot.

TNG had the best trio - Worf, Picard and Data.

No other series 3 come close.

DS9 got so silly with the Dominion, Voyager was flawed and Enterprise was a doomed venture, especially with Captain Sam Beckett leaping all over the place.

Of course even in TNGs day ST had lost all credibilty as a SCIFI show and had devolved into a Space Soap Opera with funny noses show...

But, I did have a beef with all the writers. How come every one of the major character had to be an officer? Except for 1, who was a Chief, O'brien!

Everyone knows who does the heacy lifting and real work in the military, the enlisted man! And man Officers keep it in your pants sometimes, huh?

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20. "Worf, Picard, Data" or Bones, Kirk, Spock. Would there even be a Data

had there not been a Spock?

[genie_weenie]

21. I will grant you the point on Spock

But Worf and Picard crush Bones and Kirk,
although Scotty does beat LaFroge,
and Sulu does squish Riker,
but Troi *busts* Ohura,

So it's close...

[LeftyMom]

24. Troi < Uhura

Uhura's way hotter and her skill is an aquired one rather than a racial advantage. Also, she never crashed the Enterprise into a planet. ;)

[Benfea]

40. Belly button lint > toxic sludge > Troi > Yar > Wesley -NT

[LeftyMom]

41. That's about right

:)

[genie_weenie]

46. Well if you going for all time WOW factor (lesbian kiss)

It's either got to be Action Barbie Jadzia Dax or I won't do that in public 7 of 9.

That's quite a match-up.

Of course, my problem is that's when ST started going fo Soap Opera who's sleeping with whom, instead of story. I did like the lesbian kiss episode on DS9

[Oeditpus Rex]

42. That's only because they never let her drive

Sexist bastards. :grr:

[Orsino]

45. "Captain, I'm sensing hostility from that ship that just opened fire."

:rofl:

[Benfea]

31. Bones, Kirk, and Spock were far more one-dimensional though. Meh. -NT

[DanCa]

15. Captain Sisko, Vic Fontaine, Guhl Dukat where have you gone?

Every time Cnn mentions Miles O'Brien a tear forms in my eye because I miss Colm Meany so much.

[Benfea]

32. I didn't much care for Vic Fontaine...

…but Sisko is by far my favorite Star Trek captain, and Guhl Dukat is by far the juiciest, most flawed villain in the Star Trek universe.

[DanCa]

53. C'mon, pally, how can you not like the holo lounge lizard :D

Far better than the voyagers Doc. I still get the chills when I hear him ans Sisko belt out the "Best is yet to Come."

[GoddessOfGuinness]

17. To Infinity and Beyond

Oh wait...That was Buzz Lightyear...

[ContraBass Black]

22. No you didn't.

:spank:

[laheina]

26. LOL! nt

[Nutmegger]

28. Deep Space Nine rocks!

I haven't seen it since that local teevee station pulled it in 2000.

And this is from a person who gets at least thirty minutes of teevee a week.

[sakabatou]

29. I grew up with TNG and DS9

DS9 was my favorite and TNG being second even though I saw more of TNG. Voyager was okay, didn't watch it too often and Enterprise just sucked.

[Benfea]

33. Dammmn! The DS9 fans are outnumbering TNG fans in this thread.

Usually when I get into Star Trek threads, I'm in the minority in my defense of DS9.

You guys rock! *sheds a tear*

[billyskank]

35. Star Trekkin' across the universe

on the starship Enterprise, under Captain Kirk
Star Trekkin' across the universe
Always going forwards 'cause we can't find reverse

There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow
There's Klingons etc...

Star Trekkin' etc...

It's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it
It's life Jim etc...

Star Trekkin' etc...

It's worse than that he's dead, Jim, dead Jim, dead Jim
It's worse than that etc...

Star Trekkin' etc...

etc...

:bounce:

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43. Trekker since the beginning

Boy was that a different world! Fandom was based on conventions, Apazines, snail mail and books, mostly. TV SF was just beginning to be its own genre, and back then, much of what was broadcast was pathetic, or aimed for small children.

Trek was the first show made by adults for adults. Gene used the show's format to comment on the state of both the U.S. and the world, and tackled topics that most producers wouldn't touch with a 1000 foot pole.

I enjoyed NextGen, but I preferred DS9 much more. It was more character driven in my mind, and more personable. I really hated Voyager, though, and Enterprise, despite some decent acting, was flawed from the beginning. When Enterprise went into the Xindi arc, I gave up trying to keep up with it.

G4 runs reruns of NextGen and I'm finding myself watching them often. Some I recall vividly, others I am intrigued by because I don't remember them. However, the ones dealing a lot with the Klingons and history bore me. To some, they "made" the show, as did the Borg episodes for a lot of people. I preferred stories that mainly centered on the crew itself, because with such a large and diverse cast, it made for much more interesting plots.

Speaking of Trek, Connor Trinneer was on Stargate Atlantis Friday night. It took me a short while to recognize him, but it was a very interesting episode, told from a unique perspective.

[Orsino]

44. Yeah some original Trek is unwatchable.

Incredibly dated--but there are still a few glorious moments. The final two minutes of "Requiem For Methuselah" spring to mind, for example.

I much prefer Next Generation, but there were many stinkers in its long run. I adored what little I saw of DS9, but quickly lost interest in Voyager.

Loved Enterprise. While its plots were generally nothing special, they at least avoided the most ludicrous excesses of the other series, and the main cast's acting was golden. Wisely, the writers of Enterprise took care to craft good dialogue (lots of small talk, particularly in the first couple of seasons), and with the wonderful performances of that cast, the show always felt like real people in space. This was exactly the right tone for a show whose opening montage deliberately connected our world to Archer's.

[Benfea]

48. What little you saw of DS9?

Someone needs to rent the series. :P

[Orsino]

50. I was stationed in Germany when it began, but got to catch up...

...when it started running a year late on AFN there. When I returned stateside, the show wasn't carried on the local cable (and barracks rabbit ears were insufficient for that station). When I moved out of town after getting married, the signal there was even weaker, but I was able to see some of the show.

I'm a big Worf fan, and I love what TNG and DS9 did with the Klingons.

[Benfea]

51. Rent it. You can thank me later. ;) -NT

[NaturalHigh]

52. The original and TNG were great.

DS9 was watchable. Voyager was crap, and I didn't bother with Enterprise.

The one great thing about Voyager was Geri Ryan (7 of 9, the hot Borg chick).

[YankeyMCC]

54. TOS!

I watched all the others but TOS was the best by far and the most "adventurous" of them all.

[Deja Q]

55. Hmmm

Classic/original: Looks dated but delved into the Human Condition. It's adventure. Not constant soap opera. Spock and McCoy are a hoot. Kirk doesn't get sex with a green (or any other color) woman every episode. Heck, he didn't even hit on the hippy chick in 'The Way to Eden'! Kirk is a trailblazer. He makes the path for others to follow. He'll even disobey rules when it works for the greater good; the majority. I also disagree with the silly assertions that Kirk is like Bush. Bush merely sounds like Kirk but acts like Cor. :7 Works for the minority, the "blessed" few.

TNG: Cheezy melodrama that hasn't aged well and looks very plastic. Stories I used to like including "The Defector" now seem immensely puerile for their stolid nature. The most human character is Data. I have a soft spot for Geordi too. Especially in season 2 where he gets some really good stuff to do. The plots deal more with preachiness, telling us how life should be rather than delving into the human condition. But some stories still stand out just as well now as they did back then; like "The Ensigns of Command", "All Good Things", "Contagion", "Q Who", "Elementary Dear Data", "Too Short a Season", et al. Worst of all, the Enterprise is often reduced to that of oversized cargo ship. The technobabble does not turn soap opera into sci-fi either.

DS9: I wanted to like it; early season 4 and season 7 stand out. But too many reused TNG plots. It's also an antithesis of Trek as Trek is about going out and exploring. Here they stay huddled on a boring set and prattle on with more preachiness and technobabble.

Voyager: Used too many TNG plots too. Neelix is atrocious. Once they got rid of Kes and brought in the oversized floatation devices things improved, but still... it's also the opposite of Star Trek - instead of going out to explore, they all wanna go home and eventually manage to do so. Because Janeway is such a coward, she gets promoted to Admiral. (Amazing, every captain in Trek becomes an admiral instead of Picard... Well, Sisko dies but he'd be deserving of the Admiralship too!)

Enterprise: Should never have been made. Season 4 is as fanwanky as it gets.