Tell me. Are all Psychotherapists STUPID?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

:popcorn:

[SeattleGirl]

1. Nah, just the dumb ones

:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. I can't believe the crap they try to pass off. Then they're embarrassed

a few years later.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

2. No, some are truly smart and can size someone's problem up

in 5 minutes.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

4. Then what do they do, talk to a chair?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

5. No, then they talk to the next patient

[Crazy Guggenheim]

6. Is it another therapist?

:popcorn:

[barb162]

14. My roommate from school beame a shrink

She was often able to diagnose people by phone, just by talking to them a few minutes. She was THAT good.

Therapists are sometimes too arrogant to talk to each other, though I do get a kick from watching the shrink on the Sopranos. When she has to talk to the other shrink about T being such a sociopath,ahahahaha

[Crazy Guggenheim]

18. Oh!! Over the phone in five minutes!!

:rofl: :spray: :applause: :rofl:

[barb162]

29. You can make fun of it all you want but she diagnosed a

person with borderline personality disorder literally over the phone before the woman ever came in to see her. The woman kept talking about her "perfect" daughter and her damned money.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

31. Well that one's fairly easy.

:popcorn:

[barb162]

34. yeah and the slashed wrists were another little clue

She was also very good with helping teenagers in mental hospitals

[Heidi]

7. Has Tom Cruise converted you? (nt)

[barb162]

8. hi Heidi

aw, geez, Cab Calloway is coming back in again, yikes

[Heidi]

10. I really love that song . . .

:hi: barb! :pals:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

12. That was the first thread of mine you responded to.

:popcorn:

[barb162]

17. Heidi, it's a great song, but when I see your name

I also see Cab Calloway singing that song. I see him and those people dancing around on the set, the whole number, what he was wearing....


:hi:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

9. Heck no! It's just that Psychotherapy seems like pseudo-science.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Heidi]

11. That's exactly how Tom Cruise describes it.

:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

13. So don't most people outside of that field.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Heidi]

15. I don't get where you're going with this, Crazy.

I don't much like Tom Cruise, who has no medical background, attempting to dictate public health policy, just as I don't like religious extremists (like Jerry Falwell) attempting to do that. If you don't believe in psychotherapy, then don't go to a psychotherapist. :shrug:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

20. It's got nothing to do with Tom Cruise. It has to do with therapy!

[Heidi]

22. OK, let's back up.

How is it pseudo-science? And what do you propose to do about psychotherapy, if you believe it's pseudo-science?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

Ok. What about the Nude Encounter Sessions they used to have?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

25. There were also those California hot tub therapy things too

Bunch of crap but it felt good for the time they were in the hot tub

[Crazy Guggenheim]

27. Oh! It feels good. It all how it makes you feel!!

:popcorn: :woohoo:

[barb162]

38. tothe charlatans, but they never got to the bottom of the problems the

people were having and working the problems through, as they say

[Crazy Guggenheim]

41. Yeah a lot of therapists were saying that too.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

51. what do you mean

[Crazy Guggenheim]

53. How does that make you feel?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

57. Right now, I am laughing and shaking my head

[Elidor]

61. And more importantly...how do you FEEL about your feelings?

:7

[Crazy Guggenheim]

63. That's unimportant. I asked her.

[barb162]

69. Oh yeah? In what post? I must have missed it

[Elidor]

72. I was elucidating your point...

Are you always this hostile to those who wish to help you? How long have you had this antagonism toward perceived authority figures? Is that a cigar you're smoking?

[barb162]

68. I am laughing too much to feel how they are doing

[Heidi]

26. How that's any of our business?

Those nude encounter sessions were between consenting adults, as I recall.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

28. But they considered it therapy.

:popcorn:

[Heidi]

33. Most likely they considered it therapy because

they found it therapeutic. :think:

:popcorn:

[barb162]

39. the charlatans considered it therapy to their pocketbooks

[Dangerously Amused]

104. Re: Nude Encounter Sessions.

So what? Maybe the people who went to them had body image issues, and maybe building up their courage to appear nude in front of a stranger in a safe environment helped them to overcome their issues. Who are we to judge?


I mean, do you call nudists stupid?


:shrug:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

106. No. They were not about body issues.

:shrug:

[Dangerously Amused]

107. How would you know that, unless you were there?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

108. I read about it.

[Dangerously Amused]

109. And that makes it the truth?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

111. I guess it doesn't.

[Dangerously Amused]

114. Look, let's cut to the chase here. You're a popcorn addict.

And this thread is just a cry for help.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

115. I can give it up when ever I want.

[Dangerously Amused]

116. That's what ALL the addicts say.

Prove it. No popcorn for a week.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

117. Look at my latest post.

[barb162]

23. Maybe the therapist is not a good fit for the particular person

Switch to one that you like

[Crazy Guggenheim]

24. I didn't say I was going to one.

:popcorn:

[barb162]

32. then whoever it is, that person should see someone with whom

he or she feels they can make progress and to whom they can talk comfortably. If no progress is made within 3 or so months, a switch should probably be made

[Crazy Guggenheim]

36. Yeah but the therapists are stupid.

:popcorn:

[barb162]

43. Not the ones who are tops in their fields or the ones

who ae really good and fast about getting to the root of things. A lot of them are just interested in dragging things out and mining patient's pockets

[Crazy Guggenheim]

45. Very few of those if any.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

47. I'd say about a third of them are really good

[barb162]

21. Oh Tom Cruise said it, then we know he's right

Someone better tell Brooke Shields about this again

[barb162]

19. Oh no, no way

[NMMNG]

16. .....

[Crazy Guggenheim]

30. Thank you for being you!

:popcorn:

[NMMNG]

35. And thank you for insulting mental health practitioners.

You recall I am one, right?

:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

37. Are you a therapist?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[NMMNG]

40. No, a Rehabilitation Specialist

[Crazy Guggenheim]

42. Well what's wrong with that?!?! At least you're not a *cough*

Psychotherapist. :puke:

[NMMNG]

49. Uh huh.

[barb162]

44. slap him

kerpow!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

46. Why?!?!?! Have you considered going to therapy about your anger

problem?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

48. hahahahahha

you were being mean to her

[Crazy Guggenheim]

50. I wasn't being mean!!

Do you have a need to protect others?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

55. no, but you are being contrarian

There are good and ethical therapists out there. There really are.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

56. But how does that make you feel?

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[barb162]

58. exasperated, because you keep closing the circle

[Crazy Guggenheim]

60. Do you feel anger or hurt? I'm not passing a judgement.

:popcorn:

[barb162]

70. No, of course not.

[Porcupine]

127. Good therapis, Great Pumpkin, Tooth Fairy we all gotta believe

in some damn mythology or other.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

128. LOL.

:popcorn: :rofl: :spray: :applause: :woohoo:

[NMMNG]

52. Nah. I prefer to keep things civil with my friends.

Even when they're being outrageous.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

54. Aww thanks.

:loveya: :pals:

[barb162]

59. what's the little yellow thingie's name with the tongue?

[NMMNG]

62. He's just a smilie I found online

He doesn't have a name really. :shrug:

[barb162]

66. I like it a lot

[xmas74]

105. I didn't know that!

[bridgit]

64. i like this one...

http://www.kporterfield.com/healing/estes.html we have worked with good ones while setting up research samples for the collection of data...but on balance i think i know what you mean...why? what are you? a Scientologyst or someth'in?

:rofl:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

65. OOOOHH KAAAAYYYYY!

What the heck is she talking about?

:tinfoilhat:

[bridgit]

67. dude, everyone knows there's no hope for you without popcorn...

:rofl: forego your ADD and read something all the way to the bottom for once :eyes:

[barb162]

71. okay will you smack him for me?

kerpow!

[bridgit]

76. gee-awd, i'm serious = 16,000 posts filled with...

:popcorn: small wonder he cares 'somehow' less for clinical psychology :rofl: :hide:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

75. Thanks for sharing ..........

[barb162]

80. How do you keep the popcorn kernels out of your gums

[barb162]

74. this reminds me of a senator who talked and talked and never

said anything. I will not mention his name because he died

[bridgit]

77. she is a bit wordy, but her area is myth & symbol, and as have...

said Jung & Campbell, myth is where the human reflex is either explained, or explained away,

http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/jung.html

http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC12/Campbell.htm

but you knew some of that i've played word association with you :thumbsup:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

78. What a weirdo .......

[bridgit]

130. weeeee...

http://www.nailmaster.ru/fuck.html

[barb162]

84. We don't want to worry about that, though, do we? We want to worry

how CG keeps the popcorn kernels out of his gums!

:hug:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

85. I floss like YOU should do everyday!!

:popcorn:

[barb162]

92. Thems fightin' words

Hey, when it gets up into the gums, flossing can't get that out. DO you know I actually had to go to the dentist once when I got a kernel under the gum and the gum swelled. Then the dentist said don't eat popcorn as a lot of people crack their teeth on it.

[LittleClarkie]

73. Mines pretty spiffy

A liberal she is. And still she has a John Kerry bumpersticker on her car, though her boss, who has a kid in Iraq, disapproves. I gave her a Kerry in 2008 sticker. She still thinks of him fondly.

She's good shit.

[mongo]

79. Well - 50% of all therapists

graduated in the bottom half of their class.

I'm just sayin...

[Crazy Guggenheim]

82. Yeah good point!!

:popcorn:

[barb162]

88. ya' think so?

[LSK]

81. what some people will do to start a flame war

:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

83. Have I done it yet?

:popcorn:

[LSK]

86. is this GD?

No

[barb162]

89. Now I will have to get some popcorn

[philosophie_en_rose]

87. Most of the ones that I know are truly stupid.

They live in a fantasy land.

Then again, I don't know any good therapists. I used to be in social work and have "team meetings" with consulting psychotherapists who truly never got to know clients. None of them were clinically trained and, in a small town, they built their businesses through mutual referrals.

It's sad that anyone can get a degree, a cheap certificate (in WA at least), and call themselves qualified to be a therapist.


(Caveat: I'm sure that there are good therapists, but there are also a lot crackpots in a very necessary and fragile line of work).

[barb162]

91. I agree. There are a lot of charlatans and users in that field

My girlfriend, who was excellent, told me of people who were really good, those with whom she worked, who did good research, etc. Since she was living out of state at the time, I would ask her, okay who is good with kids, or who is good with older adults having this or that kind of problem and she would tell me and I'd refer people to them. A friend of mine was going through a HORRIBLE divorce and she said, okay tell him to see this person, etc. DO you know til this day, that friend of mine thanks me every time I see him because of that referrral my girlfriend made. The therapist helped him so much. The worst situations... she always told me to refer them to this one University of Chicago psychiatrist; she thought he was the best on the planet. He was totally dedicated to getting people better, ethical and an outstanding therapist.

[philosophie_en_rose]

94. And there are some people that are mandated to go to therapy.

Parents that neglect their children are sometimes required to go to therapy. Sometimes people convicted of crimes are supposed to go as well, as if therapy can transform an unwilling patient.

There are good therapists. Maybe I was too harsh. However, a good therapist, in my opinion, is client-centered. And they have to have some sort of training or background. Otherwise, you might as well talk to anyone.

[Shine]

90. No, of course not. Some are just better at it than others, imo

My dad has been a psychotherapist for over 30 yrs.

(I know what you're thinking...."So THAT explains it!" heheh) :hi:

[barb162]

96. I have to ask this

When you say things to him like "SO what should I do" does he say "well, what do you want to do"

Does he just ask another question to your question

[Shine]

97. What do you mean?

no, just kidding. heheh.

First of all, I haven't lived with him under the same roof for almost 25 yrs, so I'm not really in the position these days of asking him what I should, or shouldn't, be doing.

But, in answer to your question, yes, he does ask questions back and believes ultimately everybody is their own "highest guru", so to speak. In other words, he doesn't see his role as one of telling people what to do as much as helping them to hear their own inner wisdom about what is possible in their lives.

Does that make sense? :shrug:

[barb162]

98. Tremendous sense!

It must be wonderful having him as a father. It is a great philosophy and one my girlfriend practiced along with her therapists co-workers. And thanks for the big laugh!

[Shine]

99. Yeah, I've got a pretty cool dad, I must say.

In fact, here's a shameless plug about him. He's a writer, too, of many books. Check out his website:
http://www.chuckhillig.com/

Let me know what you think.
:hi:

[latebloomer]

100. He sounds wonderful!

I really love that combination of Western psychology with Eastern mysticism.

[Shine]

131. Cool, latebloomer. Yeah, check out his books. Good stuff.

:thumbsup:

[barb162]

122. Awesome, I think I will check out his books!

[Shine]

132. Cool, barb162, lemme know what you think if you do, OK?

Best to you,
Shine
:hi:

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

93. I'm married to a shrink. He's most definitely not stupid.

Although he can do stupid things sometimes.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

153. Check your PM.

[tigereye]

95. that would be a no

some are naive, perhaps. But the good ones are well-trained and actually have to have a lot of training before they let 'em near people.

[Briarius]

101. Only the ones obsessed about their mothers

:evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

102. some of them

how do you feel about that?

[Rabrrrrrr]

103. Not all. I've heard that some can even read at a fourth grade level,

and interact socially as advanced as a three year old.

[Redstone]

110. I see you have the popcorn out, so I won't waste my time

talking about how many people (including some I know well) have literally had theri lives saved by talking to a good therapist.

Unchecked depression CAN kill people, and does. Suicide is not funny. Depression is not funny.

Sorry to piss on your parade, but I don't see the humor here.

What's next; are you going to ask if all the Oncologists are stupid?

Redstone

[Crazy Guggenheim]

112. No. I've known many who have said it's a waste of time and money.

[Redstone]

118. Yeah, and I'll bet you that they were people who didn't have a REAL

problem, like being abuse as a child, or having clinical depression.

Were they?

Know anyone women who have been raped? Anyone who was abused as a child? Anyone with depression? Ask them, and I'll warrant they'll tell you it isn't funny.

Redstone

[Crazy Guggenheim]

120. Oh yes I have!! And yes to all of the above!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

125. i agree with redstone

i was sexually abused and therapy saved me from drug dependency in college...and an eating disorder,, and depression

[Redstone]

126. Sorry to hear about all that, LP. Glad to know that you're feeling better

these days. (You are, aren't you? You seem pretty happy in general.)

Redstone

[La Lioness Priyanka]

133. yes, i am pretty happy barring major crises in my family

atleast no depression/eating disorder issues

[Redstone]

134. Fine youg woman such as you should never be depressed.

You deserve to be happy.

Crises in the family? I don't think there's any family that doesn't go through that. One reason I'm glad none of my family lives close by. That way, they can all argue with each other and I don't have to hear any of it.

Redstone

[La Lioness Priyanka]

135. someone close to me tested hiv positive

thats my current family crisis.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

113. Every Single One I've Gone To Have Been Total Judgemental Morons.

I even had to go to jail for 2 1/2 months because of one. Actually, 2 of them even condoned me killing myself. Another joked about my brothers attempt on my life as a child with cyanide.

I'm sure there's a rare good one out there, but the ones I've been to were disgraceful.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

119. if its a clinical therapist i highly doubt he/she is stupid

the rates of acceptance to a clinical psychology phd. program is smaller than med school

[Crazy Guggenheim]

121. That's because theres too many of them. Does that also include

Barbara DeAngelis the Pseudo-PhD.?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

123. i have found a lot of people have condescending attitudes about therapy

when they desperately need it.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

124. Thank you for sharing that with me.

[khashka]

129. I'm taking this as a personal attack you bastard!

You want the god's honest truth?


Ok.

Try being on call 24 hours a day.Think about that - no I mean really think about that!

And as long as we are so stupid - try listening to a little girl tell you how her stepdad raped her - and knowing there is not a goddamn fucking thing you can do for her.

I quit, because it hurt too much.

Khash.

[philosophie_en_rose]

136. If there is nothing you can do, what was the purpose?

:hug: I think you know the answer to that. A good counselor is a comfort and a guide. Sometimes listening is enough. I'm sure you helped as much as you could.

However, there are many people posing as therapists and counselors that do an injustice to vulnerable people. That's all most of the thread is about.

[khashka]

137. CG said "all"

I beg to differ.There are some really bad bad bad therapists out there. But not all of us.

But yeah you get it :) "If there was nothing you could do, what was the purpose?" I do know the answer to that question and I think you do too.


Khash.

[Midlodemocrat]

138. Speaking as one. I would have to say no.

Anymore than all IT people are stupid.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

139. IT people are not all stupid.They just don't bathe.

:popcorn:

[Midlodemocrat]

140. Oh, so they aren't stupid, they just stink. Gotcha.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

141. Most of them.

:popcorn:

[Strong Atheist]

142. It seems to me that most

of the psychology/psychiatry basic theories are invented out of whole cloth... some day in the FAR future these areas may approach science.... when we know far more about the brain than we know now ...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

143. Actually Dr Daniel Amen is a neuropsychiatrist who HAS

mapped the brain via SPECT scans and has documented brain activity in the various lobes and how overactive or underactive brain waves correlate with various conditions...ya gotta stay current to know this.

Regarding therapists, they are like any other profession. There are competent therapists who set goals and then work to achieve them with patients, and there are schmucks who take your money without regard to outcomes.

There are also people who take insulin and can't control their blood sugar because they eat twinkies in between insulin shots even though they know this to be antithetical to curing or relieving their condition...that's through no fault of the endocrinologist...map that behavior onto the field of therapy and one can see why poor outcomes may result.

[Midlodemocrat]

144. Hi, NSMA!!!

Great post, BTW. How are you today? Glad to see you on the boards!!!

:hug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

145. Ok during what is and has been a very rough week

and that is good enough...thanks

[Crazy Guggenheim]

148. Dr. Amen does not use Control Groups in his studies.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

149. Care to back that up? Indeed he does...where did you get that

impression?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

150. A couple of Doctors told me that. NSMA, check your PM in a minute.

:popcorn:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

151. I saw your PM and raised you one :)

but be forewarned I am taking off so if you respond, a response to your response will come much later :hi:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

152. Ok. Later!

:popcorn:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

146. Great popcorn thread

careful of your outcomes though... you might be discouraging people who really need help from seeking it...all in a day's fun

[Ellen Forradalom]

147. A lot rides on the rapport with the therapist

If you don't think much of him or her, prospects are poor.

I am very fortunate. I have a first-rate shrink, very intelligent, who freely owns up to the limitations of his profession. Our marital counsellor, to whom he referred my husband and I, is also a sympathetic and helpful person. She has helped us bring our relationship back from the brink. Things are way far from perfect and sometimes still suck, but the non-stop tension has broken.