whats your ake on larry king's show on psychics

[evirus]

now some things i beleave, but if you need to back up your inability to act on finding binladen because "you werent asked" then you might as well just go home.

[ClassWarrior]

1. I knew you were going to ask that question.

NGU.

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. !

:rofl:

[FlemingsGhost]

2. Larry King makes my head "ake."

Ouch!

[kliljedahl]

6. Obviously somebody watches him

Why, I have no idea. Even in his "prime" he was irrelevant.



Keith’s Barbeque Central

[evirus]

i dont watch him all the time

but if its the only interesting thing thats on ill watch, but i wish there would be rules in debates like that like the presidential debate, a question an answere then a rebuttle from the other side.... then next question

[adarling]

11. worst and overrated journalist of our time

can't stand him, he needed to retire years ago, the only thing i have enjoyed this past year from him was when he interviewed teh cast of Roseanne and she basically took over the interview. that is the sign of a crappy interviewer

[Ron Green]

43. His show must be really cheap to produce. It seems to be on CNN every time

I turn on the tube. He comes off as a sycophantic old woman in suspenders.

[Burning Water]

4. Didn't watch

the show, but 'psychics' are bullshitters. Liars is not too harsh a word.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. Thanks for calling me a liar

So nice of you.

[Burning Water]

56. Hell, I don't know you.

Why would I call you
Still, I don't believe in 'psychics'. If you have to personalize this, well, I'm sorry for you, that's all.

[evirus]

5. now some i beleave but

as i said vaguely, if someone questions you and you get mad and use excuses other then "its outside my ability" or "thats not what we are about" then you shouldnt even claim to have anything special

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Yes but do you believe?

:yoiks:

[evirus]

8. well

do i beleave in what? do i beleave that these people are psychics? on a % scale id say 10% (meaning short glimpsys, they fill in the blanks with their eyes ears.... and what ever comes out of their rectums)

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. LOL!

" and what ever comes out of their rectums) I vote for that belief. :rofl:

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Than you don't get it

It's not something every person can turn on and off. Mine doesn't work like that. I get flashes here and there. Mostly of personal things with me. Each person is different and has different abilities. So if don't have something you can do (such as being good at playing an instrument) you shouldn't say that's something special? Each person has different things they are good at.

[NewJeffCT]

9. I think it's all a bunch of BS

If these psychics were so good, they'd have all won Powerball a long time ago and retired to small private islands that they had purchased.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. LOL!

Oh honey if I could win the powerball I would've done that a long time ago hon. There are good psychics out there who do not use their abilities for personal gain like myself. Plus, you have to remember that people have freewill and things change all the time with the Universe. If you don't get that than you don't get psychics.

[Ian David]

10. They are ALL frauds or idiots. And Larry King too.

The Clock is ticking - again....

The new Sylvia Browne Clock is placed here so that interested readers can follow an ongoing situation. The original clock started March 6th 2001, and ran 181 days. Then Sylvia agreed, on September 3rd 2001, to the suggested protocol for a definitive test of her claimed powers, for the JREF million-dollar prize.

The figure you will see on this new clock, is the number of weeks that have passed since she accepted this latest step in the procedure. We still have a variety of very well-qualified savants, here and abroad, who are willing to participate. We have major centers of learning and a prominent parapsychologist on tap, ready and willing to design, supervise, and conduct proper tests of her ability.

Stay tuned.

More:
http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml



Also:


We received a large number of inquiries by phone, e-mail, and fax regarding the Larry King Live show last Tuesday that featured "psychics" John Edward, James Van Praagh, and Sylvia Browne, along with Paul Kurtz of CSICOP, Leon Jaroff of TIME, rabbi Shmuley Boteach (a friend of Uri Geller), and a physicist, plus an ex-FBI officer. It was a look at the currently popular talking-to-dead-folks fad. King, a little to my surprise — since he has catered to these performers rather easily recently — was appropriately critical. But as expected, when viewers were allowed to call in to the show with questions and comments, the only ones accepted by the staff who filtered the calls, were those who wanted "readings" from the psychics. Those were certainly flops as evidence for the claimed powers, and there was much whining and many accusations offered in place of evidence.

Sylvia Browne, looking very fierce, was confronted by Leon Jaroff with her abysmal failure on her June 1989 appearance on my TV Special "Exploring Psychic Powers — Live!" and was asked to explain how that had gone so wrong for her. Just so you'll know, that audience twelve years ago had been told to only answer "yes" or "no" to Sylvia's guesses. The entire "reading" took 4 minutes, 51 seconds. Sylvia began by warning everyone that — in case she was wrong? — "a lot of times these things are in the future," then repeated that same caveat later during the guessing game when it became evident she was missing badly. She addressed, one at a time, three women and two men in the studio audience, offering them "Bill," "Kathy," "real estate," "school," therapy work," and "showbusiness," as guesses, all of which received clear "no" answers. She then offered "unemployment" and "traveling" as possibilities for the future, and gave a lame excuse for her obvious failure as she ended her performance.

So what did Sylvia Browne offer Jaroff and the CNN audience in explanation of this disaster? Indignantly, she told them:

They {the studio audience} were all Germans! And they couldn't understand a word I said! That was a setup, as you well know.... because they couldn't speak English. I found that out after, they were all Germanic!

No, Sylvia Browne, that is a blatant lie, as you well know. It may be what you have been offering your fans as an alibi, but it's not true. Only one member of that audience of 140 persons was German, and you spent a full one minute and seven seconds rattling off guesses for him, then found out he was German, only after he told you. Didn't you know that already, Ms. Browne? You conversed with the other four persons there in fluent English, didn't you? And yet you told the CNN viewers on Tuesday that they were "all Germans"!

More:
http://www.randi.org/jr/03-09-2001.html#sylvia

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Thanks for calling me and other DUers frauds and liars

I'm sure they appreciate it like me. :sarcasm: :eyes: I don't like Ms. Browne. I get bad feelings with her and always have.

[Ian David]

49. Well, if you're really psychic then you already knew I was going to say it

So, all I did was type what you already knew I was thinking.

Meanwhile, go claim your $1 Million prize:

The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has ever passed the preliminary tests.

Click here to see the application.
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html

More:
http://www.randi.org/research/

I'll apologize for insulting the "psychics" as soon as one shows me their million dollar check.

[Ian David]

50. I said Frauds or idiots. Not Frauds or liars. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. I'm Psychic.

I can tell you what you're thinking.

[evirus]

14. ok then

what am i thinking right now

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. You're Thinking I'm Not Psychic n/t

:rofl:

[evirus]

16. !!!!!

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!
hahaha

[EST]

18. Yup, I know a psychic when I see one.

I betchu got STP, right? Kin I have yer odda graf?
I just loved the story, mostly escaping me, right now, about the Mayan ruler (I think) who searched for a royal psychic, to be paid a ridiculously large salary as adviser.
He formulated a test that should be applied to all claimants of psychic ability, IMO.
He had each aspirant meet him at the top of a convenient cliff, where, if the applicant was unable to predict the future (that the king was going to hurl them off the cliff) he hurled them off the cliff.
Wonderful test for such bs-I'm fixing to throw you over if you don't predict that I'm going to throw you over. The resulting psychic shortage brought prosperity and reduced fraud for many years.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. In Reality, True Psychics Can't Work On Demand Like That Anyway,

so the test was as much bs as the claims with all due respect.

For every true psychic there are a 1000 frauds. But there are true psychics imo.

[Straight Shooter]

21. Thank you for saying there are true psychics.

I made the acquaintance of one a couple years ago. She predicted that the war on Iraq would go forward (this is when bush was in his BS stage, and of course anyone could have predicted the war would happen), but she also predicted that Saddam would be found in a bunker, which is a fairly accurate description of a "spider hole," actually.

She also predicted, accurately, that a woman in our area who was missing would be found with a severely injured leg. The next day, the woman (who had been hunting deer and got separated from her partner) was found, with a badly injured leg.

I could go on and on about this woman, what she predicted, what came true. Because we stayed in touch until she moved to England (which I predicted, ha ha!), I was able to keep pretty close track of her insights. She maintains that everyone has the ability, but most people just sort of shut it off.

If you're reading this, Jeanette .... :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Absolutely Right There With Ya Straight Shooter!

There are many many levels out there that most humans cannot begin to comprehend. Unfortuantely we mock what we don't understand. And then there is also far too much of a problem with wannabes, that contaminate the pool to such a degree that any legitimacy is so watered down that people forget the concept can be real.

Some of us get the levels though :)

[FreedomAngel82]

30. Saddam wasn't orginially found in a hole

He was found at someone's house eating dinner. I remember hearing an interview with a military guy who was involved in that at bushflash.com and he said they found them at someone's house so that isn't technically true. The hole thing was pure show like everything with Bush. And yes with the everyone thing. I used to not have anything but now do. I've always been an empath but never seeing things.

[Straight Shooter]

45. I never heard the story of him eating dinner.

Link, please. I'm familiar with Eric's work on bushflash, but did that ever get any attention elsewhere?

Also, the story flashed around the world was that he was found in a hole. Those were the images that everyone saw, those were the images impressed upon the world psyche. And that is what psychics pick up on, impressions of future events.

Now, I would go so far as to say that if Jeanette were actually in Iraq and had some sort of personal contact with Saddam in her life, she might have zeroed in a little clearer. But the fog of lies surrounding his capture was so thick, I think she did very well to have predicted what she predicted.

There is a very interesting book that I highly recommend all women read. It's called The Gift of Fear and explains the process of intuition, which of course is different than clairvoyance but sometimes involves "a little voice" telling you what to do. The author includes in his book a clear explanation of the "mechanics" of intuition, if you will, and why it is so necessary to pay attention to it.

http://www.gdbinc.com/books-gof.cfm

[Wizard777]

61. That was to conform to the Bible Code.

The Bible Code said that Saddam would be found in a hole. So you see it works. (Ooookay if you throw Saddam in a hole how can it not work?)Now guess what else the Bible Code says? The WMD's were smuggled out of Iraq through Syria to Lebanon. If the Bible Code wasn't wrong about Saddam and 9/11 and everything else it has predicted after the fact. How can it be wrong about this? Lets invade Syria and Lebanon. Governments around the world are now looking at using the bible code as an intelligence source. Now that they are discovering how to use it proactively. We may have even proceeded to war on it in part already. We will be much better off with the UN instead.

This may seem whacky. But there is also Project Stargate. The CIA division at Langley was investigating the uses of psychics such as remote veiwers in gathering intelligence. McM had some amazingly accurate successes. This we do not mind for peaceful and just purposes. But there was also a Pentagon division based at Ft Meade. They were investigating Psychic Warfare. The big prize in that would have been discovering an empath to rival the KGB's Uri Andropov. He was rumored to be a KGB secret weapon. It is also said to be how he rose to head the agency and remained unopposable. He was suppossedly able to use his empathic power to form a psychic connection to someone else and then induce a heart attack or stroke. They had telepaths transmitting psychic invitations for other psychics to join the project. It was a foolish tip of the hat. We refused the invitation. They had a traveler JmH doing astral projections. Again as long as he remains earthbound in his travels. This we do not mind for peaceful just purposes. But if he or any others go beyond that to the astral plain for military purposes. They shall be tossed head first down into the abyss. Long before they reach any of the Paradesical Nations of Heaven. Let there be no confussion about that or this. No ammount of bable from false prophets shall fill that empty shell of a person again.

The Reagans weren't the only ones in that adminstration with a fascination with the occult. From Prescott Bush to his son and grandson. The Bush family has gathered at the crypt to worship the daemon Sobrius. The treason of the War on Drugs actually came from Bush I. It was his tribute to the daemon to prove that the Bush family was worthy of becoming the ruling family of the new world order under Sobrius. That he could hold mortals to great sufferings and labors as the daemon demands. From the rites of Necromancy to the attempt at the rites of Endura. The Failure to bring forth the Daemon Sobrius and Hell awaits them.

[JackDragna]

32. If psychics can't reproduce their skills on demand..

..then why should we believe they have any powers at all?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Just Because Ya Can't Fart On Demand Does That Mean You Are Unable To Fart

and whatever with the "hey, I can fart on demand" replies, you know the point.

[JackDragna]

36. An interesting comparison.

So psychic powers, like passing gas, are brought about as a result of a known condition (the production of methane by bacteria in the large intestine)? Great! Now, tell me what that condition is that gives psychics the "ability" to perform in all situations except when independently measured and we have a base from which to work.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. The Levels Are Complex and Require A Longing For Wisdom.

There are many levels, but ultimately only one highest level. This is the level of Reality. Reality can look down upon all levels beneath it. All levels can look down with awareness upon all levels beneath them. But that which is found on any lower level cannot ever look up with understanding into the levels above them, as they are too unwise to understand. Once the mind is opened and awareness attained, than that level may be gained of which was once unperceivable. There are many levels. Climbing each one can be a lifelong journey, but ultimately a journey to pure wisdom...



....I shall opt not to explain this level to you at this time, as you are not ready.

[JackDragna]

38. Uh. that doesn't cut the empirical mustard.

Either psychics can demonstrate their powers or they can't. I have a pretty good grasp of "reality" and in "reality," I don't buy what people sell when they can't demonstrate it empirically. Disguising the lack of evidence in pseudo-spiritual jargon is no substitute.

edited for spelling.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Please Re-Read This Part

"All levels can look down with awareness upon all levels beneath them. But that which is found on any lower level cannot ever look up with understanding into the levels above them, as they are too unwise to understand."

I didn't expect you to understand, but that's ok. Many do not. :)

[JackDragna]

40. Condescension is not a debate tactic.

Fine. Let me put forward the proposition that the entire universe is actually contained within a snowglobe of a child. This child desperately wants us to put our pants on our head, throw candy at dogs and yell "Oakland!" at trees. How do I know this? Well, you see, I'm on some level of knowledge you just can't understand.

See what I'm getting at?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. I Can Understand It Just Fine

It is one of the levels branched to delusion LOL

[JackDragna]

42. Why is it any more delusional..

..than believing people can talk to the dead, move objects with their minds or predict the future? It's not, on the face of it. The moment you retreat to the argument that a person cannot understand because they don't have some "special knowledge," you immediately reduce your argument to ludicrousness.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. Well That's Pretty Convenient

And, the whole "levels" thing seems suspicously like a dodge in an attempt to avoid answering the scientifically based question proferred.
The Professor

[Chiyo-chichi]

53. "W.I.N.C."

"This is not an occult science. This is not one of those crazy systems of divination and astrology. That's stuff's hooey and you gotta have a screw loose to go in for that sort of thing. Our beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand. Humankind is simply materialized color opperating on the 49th vibration. You would make that conclusion walking down the street or going to the store." -- Terry Bohner

[Wizard777]

63. Then maybe you are ready for me to explain this to you.

Reality is part of a paradox. So there are varying degrees of reality. This allows for reality to change. Sometimes instantly. Reality also is not universal. Being formed entirely of perceptions. Reality has an independant nature about it. Your reality is not the same as the realities of Bill Gates, George Bush, The Pope, The Freindly Bum on the corner, or even myself. When the preception of reality changes. Like the reality of man being unable to fly by any means. Until the Wright Brothers changed their perception of reality. Then ultimately changed that reality to fit their perception of the reality of man flying. So all of reality is born of fantasy and therefore all of fantasy becomes rooted in reality. Thus forming the paradox of fantasy and reality. Neither of which may actually exist in truth. That is where you will the enlightenment you seek. In the unchageable truth that simply is. Fantasy and Reality are merely spectacles through which the the truth can at times be seen.

The system that you have tried to describe is the heirarchy of creation. It was this that ultimately created the war in Heaven. The rule as to who served whom was simple. Anything that you were witness to the creation of was of a lower order than you and had to serve you. Ahriman/Lucipher being the second thing created after God created himself. He was pretty smug in his position as the Archangel of the Light. All of God's creation served him and he only served God. Then God created the lowly man. Ahriman/Lucipher was pleased with this creation. He proclaimed to all the Angels of Heaven. Man shall serve the angels. Then He told Ahriman/Lucipher look again. Man lives and is created in my image. You shall serve him. Ahriman had thought that God had broken the rule of creation and therefore was not perfect. So he detroyed the truth about the angels serving the lowest of God's servants. The man. The destruction of that truth formed the deception that begun the war. Then he decieved man and will eventually deceive all the world. But ultimately he has deceived himself. He was very close to God. None came unto God but by him. Be he shall never be God. Nor shall he ever rule anything other than Hell in God's name again.

[Wizard777]

64. It's not a skill. More of a gift that developes into an art.

Science is now finding that musicians have an inclination for intuition. Especially those that play fast or in groups. It's an invocation of Zen. When you get into 32nd and 64th notes. The time in which you must play the note is not enough time to even think about playing the note. So there can be no thought. You simply just do it. Orchastras and bands invoke sychronicity. For them to be on the same beat with different instruments and notes at the sametime. They all must follow that invisble metronome. I guess the sychronicity is a metropolis. LMAO!

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Nebuchednezzar And Daniel, Too

Same thing. The king wouldn't tell the psychics a dream he had, but wanted them to tell him what the dream was and what it meant. He had them all executed. But, Daniel told him the dream.

Now, i don't ascribe any literalism to the Bible, so this isn't history, just a story. But, it's nearly identical to the one you related about the Mayan ruler.
The Professor

[Ian David]

51. Bet you didn't know I was thinking about THIS...

[TlalocW]

17. All "psychics" do

Is offer guesses and then narrow in on things based on what the person they're "reading" tell them. It's called cold reading and it can be applied to reading palms, talking to the dead, psychometry (telling the history of an object by touching it), etc. It's all bullshit, and those people are some of the lowest forms of shit on the planet.

TlalocW

[EST]

19. Of course, (sigh)

if there were no market for their bogus services, they wouldn't be in business.

[Straight Shooter]

22. Not all of them charge a fee.

Just so you know.

[EST]

24. My last comment on this subject-

An accurate reading of my post would reveal that I stated "market" and "services," with nothing about fees.
I refuse to cast anyone on this forum in a bad light, but, at least until now, my two questions that, invariably, have allowed me an accurate window on someone else's judgment had to do with their belief in psychic powers and astrology.

[Straight Shooter]

25. Excuse me, then.

And your "accurate window" comment gives me quite the perspective on you, as well.

[EST]

44. That's cool. One should not allow a minor foible

darken our relationships with the ones we care for, right?

[Straight Shooter]

48. True, that.

I enjoy meeting psychics. When I lived in Tennessee, 20 years ago, I met Ruby Harrison, who was called upon by the detectives in the Kingsport Police Department because she was so reliable. I have considered these psychics I've conversed with to be genuine, and guided by a desire to help people, not to profit either monetarily or through ego stroking. (One of them has been a friend for many years, but I don't ask him for advice because I trust my own intuition.) So, it's an issue which goes straight to my heart and thus I get rather defensive about the issue, needless to mention I do believe clairvoyance is possible, as are other things which appear mysterious, just as the weather and the stars and planets once appeared mysterious to observers on Earth yet now are understood.

"Foible"? What a great word. Takes me back to a prior life in the 17th century, LOL. (Just kidding.)

[jbnow]

55. I am as psychic as

a boiled potato.

But I do know there is such a thing. I had a mother who did it accidentally, never when she tried. But sometimes she'd pick up an article and start describing in detail people she had never met and conversations she never heard. But the owner of the article she picked up knew all the details she spoke of. Sometimes that was me. She didn't watch for reactions, she just started talking until she was done.

I had a son who was always psychic until he reached school age. He'd describe distant events going on in real time, he'd correct lies told in front of him, he'd respond to peoples thoughts and all that jazz. He thought it was normal.

Now and then I have met others. I don't seek them out. My logical explanation is that thoughts and emotions are real energy that some are good at picking up and so on. I needed to find some logical explanation, I was a chemistry major.

[JackDragna]

31. Psychics are frauds and charlatans.

They practice a technique known as "cold reading", a systematized way of making general statements and picking up on nonverbal cues of subjects to create a meaningful pattern of information. I'm tired of King legitimizing frauds like James van Praagh and Sylvia Browne.

[Wizard777]

66. There are privacy issues. Generalization a good way to preserve that.

You know how you would feel if someone just walked into your house and started looking around. Then someone walks into your mind and also finds what you're hiding under your bed. They also know what you do with it and just exactly how that makes you feel. Then they also know how those skeletons got in your closet. Now they really aren't that bad as far as skeletons go. But as far your concerned you might as well have killed somebody. So how comfortable do you feel now?

[hopeisaplace]

33. The "skeptics" looked crazy to me

their eyes bugging out of their heads, their lips moving fast to trick you into
thinking they had something of value to say. I can't stand people who don't do
their homework. These "skeptics" have opinions only..Crap, we all have that, big deal.

[OhNoTheyDidNot]

35. OMG I tried to call this show to ask a question. I was going to lie to

the screener and pretend I was asking one of them about a dead relative, but I really would have said to the Rabbi, who was also saying what the psychics were doing was 'wicked' "Rabbi, aren't you really doing the same thing as the psychics, trying to make people believe there is some 'higher power' that watches us all like some grand Santa Claus in the sky - pretending to give people peace of mind by thinking there is really life after death. All the psychics are doing is trying to make gullable people feel better that their dead loved one is 'okay'. All the Rabbi (or priest or WHATEVER) is doing is trying to make people think they will be okay as long as they follow 'the rules' Sorry for offending anyone that reads this (my experience on this site is that no on will anyway) but really, Bush is a 'Christian' and he's about as evil as evil gets.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. Favorite Question To A Fortune Teller

One walks in. Reader says "What's your name?" Answer with a question: "Don't you know?" Turn around a walk out.
The Professor

[Mizmoon]

54. My favorites are the ones that supposedly talk to the dead

The dead never say "Joe Jones murdered me!" or "Don't go to NYC on Sept. 11!" or "My real Will is hidden in a book in the library!"

They always tell people stuff like, "My name begins with an 'R'". Very odd.

[Wizard777]

67. Not really.

That seems to be a peculiarity to media psychcis and that may have more to do with network legal Departments. There is Dorothy Allison. She lives here in Maryland. She's not a "media psychic." She will do an occassional interveiw. They are very rare. But her thing is solving crimes. She is one that will tell you. She says Joe Jones murdered her. The knife is here in this area. She says she's here in this area. She's in water near the tree with red leaves. It can sound vague and even conlflicting when they give the information. But once you're there and you see what they were seeing. It all clicks and you suddenly realize just how specific they were. Dorothy is not the only one that does this. But she is one of the best. I hope she's doing well.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

57. I have to admit that on the show Crossing Over

John Edward got a lot stuff right on the money. And in phone readings on other shows too. He convinced me that he has some type of psychic ability.

:hide:

[tjdee]

58. Yeah--why can't they get stuff like that? Though....

I do think that some people are just better tuned to "that" stuff...in general I think it's dangerous to discount people straight out. But I think some people are fakes, mostly most of the famous ones.

You would think they'd have a better reason for why they can't help with major issues of the day since they claim these powers. I mean, why isn't someone appearing to Bush like Cindy Sheehan did, a modern day Joseph or whatever, to say "hey, so and so blah blah blah"?

It's possible that maybe the ones on Larry King don't have that power...but why doesn't any other psychic in the world? Again, that's not to say that some don't have a gift.

[Wizard777]

59. Skeptic vs. Skeptic

I'm quite sure both would have no problems disproving the others skeptical abilities if not their very existance. They are cherry picking nit pickers. They go nutz over Nostradamus' "Hister." Okay think of the future as a dartboard. You have one bullseye surounded by many other possibilities and probablities. The prophecy is the dart. Okay so Nostradamus didn't hit the bullseye with Hister. But you have to admit he was damned close to it. Okay so give the Skeptics that one little one lettered hissy fit. But are the skeptics aware of the Gem quality of phrophecies? They have many symbolic facets. Like Hitlers armies flowing across Europe like a river. AHA quitcherbitchin. Do you think Michele may have had a knack For stagenography? Mabus or is that maybe?

All in all I would have to say the Psychics defended their position poorly. Even if they did succeed in turning the skeptics into braying asses. Though they have discovered their gifts for the ancient arts. They aren't exactly Magi. So I do not fault them for their Adeptus Grade mistakes. They are still young and learning in the art. God Bless them as they walk upon His path.

They are Angi. The power is not theirs. They are merely the vessle through which it flows. I too refuse indignant orders to perform parlor tricks. If only as a general protection to the irreverent who assume they may summarily order God about. But if you ask sincerely out of a true need. You shall truely receive. Always be mindful to becareful of what you wish for. What you receive may not be what you expected.

The Next Bombs in Iraq will go off? Tommorrow and the day after that and the day after that and the day after that. They have not even begun the real fight.

Where is Osama? Mabus (Subson ahso). The one below the Son is hiding in the one place no army in the world can go. In the templar tunnles beneath Al Oxa. Go there for him and Armegeddon shall great you and welcome your arrival. The mystery of the great whore Babylon is revealed. The choice will be yours. Make it wisely.

Sincerely,

Magus Amathion

[JackDragna]

62. Wow.

Can I live inside your head for a while? You have a vivid imagination. :)

[Wizard777]

65. Are you sure?

Mine is a big empty dark and dank place. You might not like it there. You seem pretty comfortable in your own head. You just might want to stay there. You know the grass is always greener on the otherside. ;)

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60. Not a King fan, but...

I met Char back around 1980. She was astoundingly accurate.

How accurate, you say?

I was with my mother when she died. The last thing she said to me was:"I'm going to the dance".

Within a few moments of meeting me, Char smiled and said:"Your mother wants you to know she's okay. She's dancing."

Nobody I knew had any knowledge of Char and I told nobody I was going to see her. I did it on a whim.

The spirit lives forever - and it can reach you - if you are open to it. You can refuse 'knowledge' on any plain. The Freepers are a perfect example of it.