BCS system or old Bowl system?

[kick-ass-bob]

I remember when Bowls would try to be the first to lock in a team for a Bowl, even before they were done playing their season, which caused some pretty freaky things sometimes, especially if they lost their last 2 games and would finish 8-3 instead of the expected 10-1.

I am not a BCS supporter, and think their duck taping of the system is making it worse, I just want to know,

which is the lesser of two evils?

There is no choice for anything else.

[GOPisEvil]

1. I like the old bowl tie-ins. I say go back to the old bowls, then...

...have a BCS championsip game. Since the only BCS bowl that matters is the Championship anyway, that should be all by itself. So, go back to the old bowls, and THEN do a points thing and have the top 2 teams play.

[southlandshari]

10. I agree with the hot man from Texas...

;)

:loveya:

[GOPisEvil]

14. Well...thank ye.

:loveya:

[underpants]

2. Don't care as long as there isn't a playoff

Why? you ask

Several reasons

1.It is the only one left that doesn't have a playoff. Uniqueness is a selling point to me.
2.Recruiting would be even more of a blood sport if there is one and only one winner. We have that situation this year with USC and Texas but usually there is that third team that got screwed or is "the best now" and so alums and fans still have some bragging rights.
3. When do we start this playoff? November? Who gets in? 16? 8? and what about team #9 or #17??? Would Florida State have been in the top 8 or 16 this year? Is that not important to you? Are you not a TV executive?

4. LASTLY- about 12 years ago or so the all powerful NCAA brought together players from several major programs to talk about having a playoff. They all sat down and said they were fine with it as long as they got health insurance, the meeting was immediate ended.

[kick-ass-bob]

4. I agree with no playoff.

I like having lots of teams finishing off with wins and it helps mid level teams with recruiting.

Playoffs just move the "left out" down the list (like team #66 in college basketball) where they whine and complain about who got shunned from the tournament.

This would especially be harmful in football, since it would be a top 10 team (they really can't do 16 - that is 4 more games and 4 more weeks).
In general, is there really that big a difference between team #5 and say team #12? I don't think so.

And isn't the CFB season one big playoff? Generally, if you lose a game, you are out of national title contention. Two losses guarantees it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. I disagree completely.

1) Tell the folks that run March Madness that uniqueness is a bigger selling point.
2) Making the playoffs would be HUGE bragging rights in itself. Again, college basketball uses NCAA appearances, Sweet 16s and Final Fours quite successfully in their recruiting.
3) A committee, once again, just like in college basketball or just use the top 8 from the BCS rankings. And you can't possibly tell me that you would have the same level of sympathy for the #9 team that gets jilted as you would for an undefeated #3.
4) Players should get health insurance. Then again, I think everyone should.

[kick-ass-bob]

7. Yes, making the playoffs would be huge.

BUT, how many non-football farm schools are going to get in each year with an 8 team playoff?

Those guys don't need any more help recruiting.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

8. You MIGHT be able to expand to 16 teams,

but not much further.

But if you're going to draw a parallel to basketball, and I would like to, even letting in 65 teams, how many non-powerhouse schools really "make it"? Gonzaga's about the only one that's done it. Let's face reality here - the big schools are always going to be the almighty in college sports. Nothing's going to change that.

[kick-ass-bob]

9. true. but, by having many bowl games

a team can use that to progressively get better bowl games, better recruiting, and spiral it upward. It has been done. That just doesn't seem to happen in CBB.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

12. I disagree with that idea.

Unless you're in a major conference, you're lucky to be getting to the GMAC bowl, and unless you have a season like Utah's last year, it's just not going to happen.

If you ARE in a major conference, you've already got an infrastructure with which to obtain recruits.

And a playoff system would not end the bowl system. After all, there is something called the "NIT".

[kick-ass-bob]

13. I doubt the NIT results in as much money for the schools as a bowl game.

or recruiting potential, either.

As for being in a major conference, yes, you have SOME infrastructure, but that only gets you so far. Winning a post season game televised nationally helps a whole lot more.

We'll just have to disagree, and that's OK with me.
:hi:

[Awsi Dooger]

18. Absolutely correct

I'm very impressed with the posts of underpants and kick-ass-bob. I thought I was the only one opposed to a simpleton playoff.

You earn your postseason level in college football. I don't want any back-in second chance bullshit like a playoff. Notre Dame lost two games at home. Ohio St blew a lead at home then got handled easily by Penn St. Miami couldn't score against FSU or Georgia Tech. Sorry, no dice. You're excluded on merit.

Plus I love the pecking order of college football in which you earn your level via recent seasons or long term excellence. If Oregon wants to bitch let them do what Penn St has managed since the 1960s. Or what Notre Dame has built since Rockne or earlier. These come-lately pansies with their one-time desperate pleas for inclusion make me laugh. Sports is about the Yankees not the Ducks. Go find a blanket and a pacifier. If you go unbeaten we'll pay attention, otherwise enjoy your Weedeater Bowl.

My Canes can end the season on a high with a chance to beat a very talented LSU team. Last year we got the unexpected and awesome chance to beat our arch rival Florida. That's unique to college football and should not be eliminated via a playoff that would merely reassert the regular season findings.

College football is routinely imbalanced at the top. The power ratings drop off significantly after the first few teams. A playoff would feature double digit spreads and blowouts in the early rounds, especially if 8 or 16 or more teams were included. It wouldn't take long to figure out what should be obvious now, a playoff is superfluous. This isn't college basketball where the power rankings are normally bunched among the top dozen teams. I'm always amazed when that distinction isn't made by media types. All they would have to do is check out power ratings like Jeff Sagarin at USA Today.

I much preferred the old system with major bowls on New Year's Day and classic dependable conference tie-ins. The permutations were massive and debated for weeks. You had opportunity for two champions on occasion or a domino effect of upsets that enabled a team to vault from 4th or 5th. I don't want the lesser teams to have an annual guaranteed chance at a playoff bailout, but if you have a season with flawed teams at the top who can't finish off the year, then the second tier schools still had a shot in the old scenario.

[underpants]

20. Thanks

Aside from backing up your statement on power drop off by comparing it to women's basketball let me say this-this year there is that "who cares" element to alot of bowls since they basically mean nothing. PSU gets some interest because of what fell into JoePa's lap ( think the FabFive recruiting themselves at Mich.) but other than that it is all blah blah blah watch for the whacked out play while we wait for the championship game between two teams that at that point won't have played for over a month. Who ever wins the first 10 minutes wins the title and we are all calling in sick the next day.

Being a Marshall fan I know full well about a playoff system and that it can work I just love seeing all the football fans getting crazy about not being able to get crazy. blah blah blah.

Oh GO BUCKEYES. :bounce: actually OSU vs. ND is a conumdrum for me-two of my faves.

[kick-ass-bob]

21. A MARSHALL FAN!?

I'm an Appalachian State alum!

GO MOUNTAINEERS!

I was sad when Marshall jumped to 1-A.

[underpants]

22. GO to the mountain top young man

My whole family (except me and a few cousins) went or go to Marshall. This includes several people who have married in--everyone goes to Marshall there really isn't any other choice.

[dr.strangelove]

3. "Duck Taping" - Interesting choice of words

I like the BCS, but I think I will like it better next year when they play 4 major bowl games and the national championship. This year, another team got screwed, the Oregon Ducks. They were ranked 5th in the final BCS rankings, yet they got bounced from a major bowl game, If there was another game, they probably would have gotten in.

I miss the old days when the Rose Bowl was always Big-20 v. Pac-10, but this year Texas would never have played USC, in what is sure to be a great game. The BCS is not the solution, but it is better than the old Bowl system.

[kick-ass-bob]

5. I never thought of the connection between Oregon

and my choice of words!
:7

PS - NFL pick results are up in the Football forum.
:hi:

[dr.strangelove]

11. Thanks - I know you did not mean it

but I am an angry Ducks fan who wishes they were in the Fiesta Bowl. I'll go check the football group for the results.

[MalachiConstant]

15. duct tape not "duck tape"

[kick-ass-bob]

16. not if you go by the brand:

which is what I was doing, actually.

[MalachiConstant]

17. oh ok.

didn't realize that there was a "duck" tape brand. mea culpa

[ashling]

19. Not to worry,

Republicans ARE worried about the way we pick our leaders after all.

Barton (R, not Clara) is going to hold hearings on how we rank our college football teams.

How we pick our president - no
How we out our covert agents - no
how we decide which defenseless country to invade -no
how we ...