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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:16 PM
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What was the worst casting of an actor to play a different race?
My all time favorite was James Whitmore in Black Like Me. Admittedly, his character was supposed to be a white guy passing as a black guy, but he looked exactly like a white guy painted black, which was especially painful to watch in his scenes with black people who supposed to not notice.



And of course, John Wayne as Genghis Khan:

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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:19 PM
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1. Tom Criuse is The Last Samurai.
Yeah, and I'm The Last Ethiopian...
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:20 PM
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2. Tom Cruise as Human.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:15 PM
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79. Tom Cruise as a heterosexual.
:hide:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:33 PM
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92. Rev -- You took the words right out of my mouth
:rofl:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:20 PM
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3. he's short enough for the part
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:25 PM
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9. Samurai is not a race.
He played a white guy in that movie.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:34 PM
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29. That's true. It's akin to the role of John Dunbar...
aka Dances With Wolves, as played by Kevin Costner.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:37 AM
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62. He wasn't the Last Samurai, Watanabe's character was
His character is based on Saigo Takamori.
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Calliope Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:20 PM
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4. Mickey Rooney
as the Japanese neighbor in Breakfast at Tiffanys
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:24 PM
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7. Damn...
You beat me to it.

:toast:
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:48 PM
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38. self-delete
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 10:49 PM by qnr
Actually, all the good ones were taken, but I wanted to participate anyway.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:26 PM
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11. OMG....ding, ding, ding...you are the winner! That WAS the worst!
I was embarrassed for him.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:13 PM
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18. that was astonishing--he should have gotten a special Oscar
for worst stereotype in a non-wartime movie
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:41 PM
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44. you win
Horry Gorightry...

I so wanted to punch him in the throat when I saw that.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:07 AM
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63. That's hard to watch by today's standards, too.
It's really obnoxious.
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freestyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:08 AM
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64. Oh hell yes. That was just painful to watch. n/t
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:37 PM
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72. Uh yeah I'm gonig to agree with that
Painful.

John Wayne as Gengis Kahn was bad too.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:09 PM
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76. Oh man, talk about offensive stereotypes!
:puke:
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:23 PM
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5. Ricardo Montalban playing a Japanese.
It was horrid.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:25 PM
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8. Real Osakan Leather!
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:27 PM
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12. Ha ha!
:)
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:23 PM
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6. Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's
MISSSS GORIGHTREEEEEEE!

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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:39 PM
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37. You beat me to it. That was SOOOO bad!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:26 PM
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10. Wow! You remember "Black Like Me"?
I'd forgotten all about that book.
When I read it, it was a turning point in this Alabama boy's life and how I thought about "Negroes".
Thanks for the memory.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:16 PM
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19. No, I remembered the Eddie Murphy skit "White Like Me" so I rented the
movie.

judging by the movie, it was probably a good book, but Whitmore's appearance was so garishly unrealistic, it made the whole thing seem like a bad episode of the Twilight Zone with a minstrel mixing with real black people.

If you haven't seen the movie, I highly recommend it.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:48 PM
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101. The book was a groundbreaking work
It's been ages since I read it, but I seem to remember him coloring himself with walnut husks, which would appear much more realistic than hollywood makeup. It really is an amazing story.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:28 PM
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13. C. Thomas Howell in "Soul Man"
Ok, it was about a white kid pretending to be black...but it was so laughably ludicrous...I can't believe anyone thought he was supposed to be black...
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:18 PM
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20. Oooh! That's a terrible one!
:rofl:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:22 PM
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21. Wait, you don't think THIS looks realistic? (PHOTO)


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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:46 AM
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65. good choice
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SouthoftheBorderPaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 06:05 PM
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88. Damn you, Terrya!
I was hoping to get that one. Julia Louis Dreyfus was in that movie, BTW.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:28 PM
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14. Wayne as Genghis Kahn would be my choice.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:29 PM
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15. Easy one. Brad Pitt as anything other than American.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 07:30 PM by Jamastiene
Seven Years in Tibet would have been a better movie had he not faked that German accent. Brad Pitt is a good American actor, just not good at accents.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:30 PM
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25. Pitt played an IRA man from Belfast in "The Devil's Own." A girl
I worked with who was from Belfast said that Pitt's accent was right on.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:04 PM
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42. Have you not seen Snatch?
Anyone who can don THAT accent knows what he's doing.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:29 AM
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48. That accent was hilarious!! I thought he was great in that movie. n/t
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:06 PM
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98. 'dah yah lik mah doag..."
you can't even write the kind of stuff he said...
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:25 PM
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102. From the IMDB:
Brad Pitt's character and indecipherable speech was inspired by many critic's complaints about the accents of the characters in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998). Guy Ritchie decided to counter the criticisms by creating a character that not only couldn't be understood by the audience but that also couldn't be understood by characters in the movie.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:26 AM
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51. He has a snatch? I knew he wasn't a guy...
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:13 AM
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57. Looks like we got us a comedian...
:P
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:16 AM
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58. I was just making the obvious joke, officer.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:19 PM
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68. Nope. Haven't seen it.
What accent did he do there?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:32 PM
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70. A exaggerated "Pikey" (Irish gypsie) accent...
It was exaggerated for comic effect. Almost unintelligible. The dvd actually comes with "Pikey subtitles".
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:38 PM
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73. I can imagine. I'll bet that was a strange movie.
Brad Pitt is just horrible with accents, imo. I can't help it.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:59 PM
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75. It's a great movie...absolutely hilarious
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:42 PM
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16. Orson Welles as Othello was pretty outrageous....
And pretty much any pre-1965 casting of an Asian character.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:26 PM
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23. what happened in 1965?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:33 PM
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27. Does that include Yul Brynner as the King of Siam?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:25 AM
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50. He fits my other thread on celebs & ethnicity: he doesn't fit ANY
Not that he can play all, but he doesn't look quite right for any.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:16 PM
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80. Holy GOD I LOVED Yul Brynner in that.
:loveya:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:34 PM
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28. I don't think Orson Welles looks too bad here (photo)
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:39 PM
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66. The point isn't whether he looks good or not...
...the point is it's silly/outrageous to put a white actor in blackface instead of just casting a black actor.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:58 PM
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96. If you're gonna be such a purist, then the only rational option
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 08:59 PM by Rabrrrrrr
is to start a school for Moorish boys to train them to play Othello, because if you're going for pure accuracy, only a Moor will do; so we need a special school to supply all the world's stages with enough Othellos.

:sheesh:

I hope you're willing to be the big ol' sugar daddy who's gonna start all the specialty schools we'll need to ensure that roles are played by their racially pure type.

We certainly need a HUGE supply of YOUNG Danish men for all the stages doing Hamlet. And come on - we can't let anyone under about 18 or older than about 22 play the role, can we, since we're being pure?
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:45 PM
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105. ...
:rofl:
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:52 AM
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60. Yup ...
That's the first thing that came to my mind.

Wasn't Charlie Chan played by a white actor in those old black-and-white Charlie Chan movies?

And didn't Peter Ustinov play a Chinese man? Or was he the one who played Charlie Chan.

Anyway, it was absurd.
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:49 PM
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17. Conqueror was just painful...
...I tried watching it, but everytime Wayne opened his mouth I cringed. Finally had to turn it off after about 20 minutes.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:23 PM
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22. C. Thomas Howell in "Soul Man"...that they actually wanted us to
believe that people were conned by that. :eyes:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:30 PM
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24. painted a couple of shades lighter, he could be Tiger Woods...(PHOTOS)




Okay, maybe not...
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:33 PM
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26. Charlton Heston as a Mexican in 'A Touch of Evil'.
I like the film though.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:36 PM
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31. did you see Gore Vidal explain gay subtext of Ben Hur in CELLULOID CLOSET?
The director told him to tell Heston, but they did tell the guy playing his "buddy" and the have a reunion scene where they throw spears.

Pretty funny.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:45 PM
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33. LOL!! Yeah supposedly they were involved when they were younger
and Stephen Boyd's character wanted to resume it. They didn't want Chuckles to "fall apart".

:rofl:

I love Gore Vidal.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:55 PM
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34. Oh, I thought you meant Gore and Heston
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:59 PM
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35. I have trouble laughing and typing simultaneously.
:-)

:dunce:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:51 PM
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40. Loved that spray-on tan he had.
Heston voice: "My name is Vargas." :rofl:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:12 PM
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77. Not only that, Charlton Heston AND Marlene Dietrich in dyed black hair
as Mexicans.

Heston even sounds like Heston, not the least trace of a Spanish accent.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:34 PM
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30. I gotta go with
John Wayne in Conqueror, even though Mickey Rooney was unbearably awful in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:37 PM
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32. Jeff Chandler - Jewish guy as Cochise?

In Broken Arrow (and others) with Jimmy Stewart

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Jump to: navigation, search
Jeff Chandler (December 15, 1918–June 17, 1961) was a popular American film actor in the 1950s.

Born Ira Grossel to a Jewish family in Brooklyn, New York, Chandler attended Erasmus Hall High School, the nucleus of many stage and film personalities. Later, he took a drama course and spent two years in stock companies before serving in World War II. After discharged, he was a busy radio actor both in drama (such as episodes of Escape) and comedy (playing bashful biology teacher Phillip Boynton on Our Miss Brooks). His first film appearance was in Johnny O'Clock (1947).

In the 1950s, Chandler became a star in western and action movies. His first important role was in Sword in the Desert (1948), as an Israeli freedom fighter. He would be nominated for an Academy Award for his role as Cochise in Broken Arrow (1950), the first of three screen appearances as the legendary Apache chief, followed by The Battle of Apache Pass (1952) and Taza, Son of Cochise (1954).

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:06 PM
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36. Jeffrey Hunter (Star Trek's Capt. Pike) as an Indian (PHOTO)
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:42 PM
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45. First thing that came to mind when I saw the thread!
God, that was awful!
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:44 AM
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56. He was also a Nordic Christ in King of Kings....
...another bit of baloney...
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:49 PM
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39. Ringo Starr as a caveman
Actually, all the good ones were taken, but I wanted to participate anyway.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:34 AM
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53. he's one of the better cavemen. Patrick Swayze looks like a Neanderthal





Swayze is the one on top.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:59 PM
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41. A movie from my childhood
I don't remember the title, but Sal Mineo as an Indian.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:28 PM
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82. "Tonka"
The story of the horse that survived the Battle of the Little Big Horn.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 06:55 PM
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89. That's the one...
Thank you, Lydia Leftcoast. What a great memory you have! About all I remember about that movie was that Sal Mineo was an Indian, and I was definitely rooting for the Indians. :)
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:39 PM
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43. From my movie buff son
Anthony Quinn as an Arab in Lawrence of Arabia. I don't remember, honestly.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:01 AM
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47. He also played an arab in "The Message"
he was good though
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:00 AM
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46. Joey Bishop...
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 12:02 AM by PassingFair
in Texas Across the River:



Great site here:

http://home.online.no/~arnfin/native/act/fake.htm
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:44 AM
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59. great link
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:36 AM
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49. Sean Connery in "The Lion Of The Desert".
And his immortal line: "Aye wazh beorn ahnd rayizzed on the dezhert!"
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:27 AM
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52. the Wind and the Lion?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:41 AM
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54. Yep, I'd have to say John Wayne as Genghis Khan....
...that was as bad as bad gets.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:42 AM
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55. Luise Rainer a German Jew as Chinese in the Good Earth--
I know she got an Oscar for this role, but I thought it was awful! I thought her accent was just horrendous!

I understand they wanted to cast an Asian actress but wouldn't because she would be playing opposite a caucasian actor. God forbid they seem like they were encouraging races to 'mix.' :eyes:

Yet, I am one that is REALLY sensitive to seeing caucasians play ethnic roles. There are MANY talented ethnic actors in Hollywood. It just reminds me of how racist the system was (and still is in ways)throughout the years, and how they refused to stand up to the bigotry of this country and cast people realistically.

Lena Horne's musical scenes in many films were cut when films were shown in the south, so as not to 'offend' them. Such crap...
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:36 AM
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61. Katharine Hepburn in "Dragon Seed".... OMG
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 07:38 AM by LostinVA
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Horus45 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:23 PM
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67. C. Thomas Howell in "Soul Man"
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:21 PM
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69. Sydney Toler from the Charlie Chan films.
"Yes honorable #1 son."
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:35 PM
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71. marlon brando in teahouse of the august moon



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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:48 PM
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74. I don't get so hung up on actors playing other races
Otherwise, how could an African-American ever get a role other than Othello in a Shakespeare production company?

I can understand why a white guy in blackface is offensive but art is art. 100% authenticity is required.

John Wayne as Genghis Khan may be bad but how many Mongols were hanging around Hollywood at that time? Should the story of Genghis Khan not be told?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:25 PM
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81. Uh, not the same thing. They're good enough for stories but not good enoug
h to actually *cast*?

The thing is this. Othello is *supposed* to be black. That's what the part calls for. Many other parts in Shakespeare are race irrelevant. So that's why Denzel Washington can play the Prince in Much Ado About Nothing. Or I could play Titania in Midsummer Night's Dream.

White actors can play damn near everything, which *to me* as a black person who used to act is fine--if blacks and Asians were afforded the same luxury. Some casting calls are still "white female, 20s" when the part does not make any reference to race.

The problem is not so much "you can't play Othello if you're not black". Genghis Khan would have been fine if some Asian was allowed to star in ANY film. That's the whole point, IMO. There *were*, and *are* Asian actors, but no one was casting them for anything but servants. And then they make a movie about an Asian? They're not good enough to cast but they're good enough to make films about? Insulting.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:46 PM
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86. I disagree
Hamlet "King of Denmark". Are Danes only allowed to play the part? Of course not.

There was a thread yesterday about 3 Chinese actresses playing Japanese characters in "Memoirs of a Geisha" and how it was inappropriate. Chinese folks and Japanese folks look different stereotypically. But I think it is not wrong, artistically, to allow folks of different nationalities play different nationalities.

Lets face it - "Asian" is a huge group. A Mongol looks a lot different than a Vietnamese person. If there were a Vietnamese person around in 50s Hollywood would he any more appropriate to play Genghis Khan than John Wayne? And why?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:56 PM
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95. I'm with you - to say that a character can only be played by a certain
race denies thousands of years of thespianism.

In Shakespeare's time, men played the women's roles - is that wrong? According to the person you are arguing with, yes it is.

And as you say, only a Dane should be able to play Hamlet. SO that means that Randall Duk Kim, who I saw play Hamlet, is an asshole for thinking that he, an Asian, could play a white guy.

And not just a black person to play Othello - only a Moor will do.

I remember the brouhaha about the Passion of the Christ because they had a white guy playing Jesus - who fucking cares? Does this mean that Japanese churches have to call Israel and order out for a Jewish baby if they decide to do a Christmas pageant? Or that American churches have to go find a Jewish baby?

For fuck's sake people, it's art - Katherine Hepburn could play Hamlet opposite Phylicia Rashad as Ophelia and Dakota Fanning as Pelonious and Sean Connery as Rosencrantz and Chris Rock as Guildenstern.

Who cares?

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:35 PM
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100. When movies, plays etc are unrealistic
It can be held against the performance that it is unrealistic. But if the only metric to measure art is realism than that can get in the way of great art.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:14 PM
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78. Yul Brynner as a Native American...
"Kings of the Sun"

The sunburn didn't fool me, man!


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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:28 PM
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83. Natalie Wood as "Maria" in West Side Story.
OH PLEASE!

Poor Rita Moreno. She could dance *and* act *and* sing...but she wasn't good enough to star.

Though, Rita probably wasn't right for the part. She was kind of old for it. And she did get an Oscar out of it.

(Really, my answer is Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's, but Natalie is #2. Even though she's adorable.)
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:39 PM
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84. Sean Connery playing a Russian in Hunt for Red October
But that's less "race" than it is "nationality".

Either way, it was kind of dreadful.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:52 PM
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87. In a similar vein as...
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 05:52 PM by Prag
The Italian "Mexicans" in most Spaghetti Westerns.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:40 PM
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85. Some that I recall, not mentioned yet
1. Donna Reed as Sacajawea, Lewis and Clark's Shoshone Indian guide, in The Far Horizons

2. Juanita Hall (African-American) as Madame Liang in Flower Drum Song

3. Marlon Brando as the Okinawan interpreter in Teahouse of the August Moon

4. Jeanne Crain as an African-American woman passing for white in Pinky, similarly Susan Kohner in Imitation of Life
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Splatter Phoenix Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 06:57 PM
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90. That white guy in Passion as Jesus?
Anyone who says Jesus was white needs a slap upside the head with a geography book, followed by another resounding slap with the thickest history book available.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:38 PM
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93. Like Ted Neely in JCSuperstar (which I loved at the time, and actually
watched twice a couple of Easters ago, when I was alone on the road for business and didn't have much better to do than hang out in the hotel room, everything else being pretty much closed...)
I know there is something of value in picturing Jesus as like oneself, like you see Asian-looking Christs in Christian Asian art, and Black Christs in African Christian art, etc.) but this overriding image of Jesus as a western white guy has always disturbed me a lot.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:30 PM
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91. This was TV, but Marlo Thomas as a Chinese woman on "Bonanza"
was about as painful as anything I've seen.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:32 AM
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103. damn, I wish I saw that
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:45 PM
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94. Chuck Connors
as Geronimo.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:02 PM
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97. Ronald Reagan as human.
or would that be species?
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:33 PM
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99. "The Honeymooners"
Didn't see the remake that came out over the summer but I can't imagine it being any good.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:33 AM
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104. didn't see it, but it looked funny in trailers
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