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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:58 AM
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My car and my son got egged tonight by a 16-Y-O kid I had tried to help.
Here's the story. I am a volunteer at the volunteer fire department in our hometown. My brother is a firefighter,too, our dad was a fireman, and we were raised around the place. For many years, nothing went on there, but after Katrina, it became a kind of center in the community...when all of us are there, the doors are open, the lights are on, and people stop by, hang out, eat whatever we've all cooked on the grill, etc.

Many of us are there many afternoons, and it has become a kind of a hangout for some of the kids that live nearby.

The kids hang out there because there is nowhere else in town to hang out. They help wash trucks and do other chores around the fire house. It's good for them--it gives them a sense of civic contribution, and that's why we let them come by and help out. And we order pizza, and let them drink Cokes for free...you get the idea. In a town that has absolutely nothing for teens to do, it's somewhere they can come and meet up with other kids and hang out. The hope is that when they are 18, they will join the fire department and be upstanding citizens in our town.

Well, tonight, a couple of us were in the fire house, and the side door was open, near where we park our cars. My son walked out to go to my car to get my cell phone, and he was hit on the arm by an egg. He saw who threw it. It was one of the kids we help. He had egged two cars, mine included. My son SAW him.

This kid comes from a troubled family. His stepfather is a hotheaded who is middling wealthy and his mother is a silent, submissive wife. We have been so good to this kid. He had been by the fire house earlier in the day because tomorrow is dress-up day at his school, and he borrowed some fire gear (turn-outs, helmet, boots) to wear to school. We were glad to help him. And he repays us by egging our cars and my son?

I called the cops. I know the two policemen who were on duty and they know us. They eat with us at the fire house when we cook on the grill or whatever, and we all have a good working relationship. They are nice guys.

Well, one of the cops went to the boy's house and told his parents what he had done. He denied it. So the policeman, the parents, and the kid all come over to the fire house, and the stepfather comes off as hostile to me from the beginning. He says that there is no way his stepson egged our cars, and that my son must be lying. He says that his stepson has told him that I drink beer and curse around him. (!!!) And he says that he can't raise his son to be an adult when his son hangs around with adults who act like children. (!!!!!!)

So, the policeman who was kind of moderating this (and who told me I should press charges) had to go on another brief call. While he was gone, the father starts yelling at me and the other adults there about the stupid police, and how he's going to have them arrested for harrassment, and a corvette always drives by the house at 90 MPH and they never arrest them, and the policemen came to his house and smoked in his yard and he doens't allow smoking in his house. I mean, this guy turns read in the face, ranting about the police.

Then he starts saying how he's a hard working man and works hard for a living for 25 years and he doesn't have to put up with this, and he knows that the fire department and police work together and his kid hasn't done anything wrong.

So I'm standing there, with my jaw dropped. I just can't believe it. Oh, and the kid is crying. :eyes: And he is screaming at me saying, "You lie about me and you drink beer up here and talk dirty!" Well, the cop had just come back, and was standing there, and he asked me, "Maddy, do you drink beer up here?" and I said, "no." and he turned to another fireman and said, "Does she drink beer up here?" And the other fireman said, "No." So he told the kid, "Sounds like you are lying, because no one says she drinks beer up here."

So the kid turns around, and screams "Bullshit! This is BULLSHIT. Everyone is lying on me and they can't tell me where I can go and what I can do!" (And I'm the one who taught him to curse? :shrug: )

So, I said, "Kid, you need to go get the turnouts we loaned you and just bring them back, and stay away from the fire house, and I won't press charges on you." And the father looks at the kid and and says, "What is she talking about? You have stuff from here?" And I said, yes, we loaned him gear from here for dress-up day from school." So dad goes ballistic, hands the kid the keys and tells him to run home and get the gear and bring it back to the fire house.

Well, the kid tells his dad that he can't get the gear, because he hid it about two blocks down the road in a ditch. (So, kid lies and hides stuff from dad. Go figure.)

Again, the cop steps in and tells the father, "I don't know why you are being so defensive about this. If I my kids had done what your kid did, I would want to know so that I could tend to it. But you come up here and attack the people that your son damaged. Now, if Ms. McCall doesn't want to press charges, I think it's best that you go home, and just keep your son away from here."

I said, "No, I don't want to press charges, and I never did. I just wanted his parents to know what he was doing. We tried to help him, and hit hurt me that this is how he treated me."

So the father said, "Oh you can bet he won't come back over here, and if he does he'll be grounded for six months."

And I said, "Well, if he comes here, it won't be you I tell, you can bet on that."

(So after the parents leave, both policemen are at the fire house, and they told us that they have to go to that house all of the time for 911 hang-up calls, domestic violence calls, and even the man fighting in his yard with his sister. Neighbors who have never complained to the police complain about them--in other words, the father is a hotheaded trouble maker. And I am sure that, as defensive of the son as the father was, it was more about appearances than about the kid, and he probably beat the shit out of the kid when they got home. The kid has often told us how he hates his step father.)

Sorry for the long post...I'm angry, hurt, pissed, mad. In a nutshell, a kid in our town, who needed help the most, turned on the people who had helped him, and then his father attacked us.

It's been a crazy Sunday night.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:03 AM
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1. some people
that kid has got NO future...he sounds like the makings of a sociopath
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:08 AM
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2. I was astonished that he lied about me.
I have had to get on to him before for referring to women as "bitches and hos." He says it in front of my kid, and I've raised my kid NOT to talk like that.

I also had to get on to him numerous times for texting girls who he said were going to "suck the cream out of his twinkie." I told him that he wasn't allowed to talk that way at the fire house, where other kids, some younger than him, hang out.

In retrospect, he has always been kind of a livewire of a kid, always fighting with the others, always kind of shunned by the others, but I tried to be nice to him and told the other kids to be nice to him, too.

Hindsight's 20/20, isn't it?

(Oh, and thanks for taking the time to read my novella of a post. :hi: )
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:12 AM
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3. no problem at all
hope tomorrow is a better day for you
:hug:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:18 AM
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6. It's going to be sad...
we are doing Trick or Treat at the fire house. Kids are coming to decorate the place, carve pumpkins, hand out candy, and we are going to have a peanut boil for the fire fighters and their families.

And this kid live diagonally across the street from the fire house, and he's going to be riding his bike around, but won't be able to participate.

I wish this whole thing wouldn't have happened. But he made the decision to throw the eggs, so he'll have to deal with watching the fun from afar.

:(
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:13 AM
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4. Amazing...
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 05:14 AM by Scooter24
I think it's wonderful you take the time to help these kids. And I think you handled yourself wondefully in this situation.

With the kid, you can only do so much. :hug:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:15 AM
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5. Thanks...
I think it just proves that it's so difficult to foster any sense of community when there are always going to be people who can't function in a community, who have no respect for community.

Funny thing is, at the fire house, there are black, white, Dem, Repub, atheist, Baptist--you name it--it's a mix of people and we all get along.

But tonight...well, I'll be much more careful about reaching out to people in the future. :(
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:23 AM
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7. a little advice.
Try not to let one bad apple spoil the bunch. I'm sure the rest of the kids are grateful for what you and the others provide. I wouldn't change one bit :)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:30 AM
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10. Yes---
I was so angry after this happened tonight that I wanted to just call it all off. But the other guys said, "HELL no. Don't let this get to you!"

So, we started carving some pumpkins tonight, and tomorrow the real preparations start. It's going to be fun--I'm really looking forward to it." :D
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:23 AM
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8. You are one of my heroes.
I LOVE the volunteer fire department! Your story of your own department is a perfect example of what is right about America. V.F.D.s do soooo much for their community. That kid has issues, namely his parents. Off topic but when my van caught fire in Bellingham Washington it was the local V.F.D. which rescued it within minutes of my 9-11 call. I later found out that this particular V.F.D. had been awarded for having the fastest average response time in the nation for that year! Volunteer Firefighters have my respect above and beyond anyone else. You "guys" are America's patriots.
:patriot:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:29 AM
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9. Awwww....that's so sweet!
Yes, there's no pay, you're on call 24 hrs. a day, and you have to deal with people even when they don't want you to.

We've been under burn ban in our county since the hurricane, because it's so dry and we've had zero rain. Yet people still burn stuff--even though the burn ban is well publicized. Well, we have to respond if a fire is called in, and we have to put the fire out. We've been cursed by angry land owners who just want to burn off the debris. Then, the police have to respond to calm down the angry landowner. Lots of this since Katrina.

So it's nice to hear from people who appreciate volunteers. Thanks for telling me your story about the great FD in Bellingham. :D
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:35 AM
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11. What kind of pansy-ass 16y.o. pulls out the "You use bad words" line.
What the hell does he honestly think is going to be accomplished by bringing that up? Does he think that the cops are going to haul you off for cussing?

Sounds like a little smarmy brat that needs a good ass-whooping.

You did a lot better dealing with his prick of a father than I would have. :toast:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:55 AM
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13. I know. And that is what pissed me off.
I think he was trying to make it look like I'm a bad person and bad influence, and I deserved to be egged.

:shrug:

I so wanted to just tell the father off. But as hotheaded as he was, I thought I just needed to keep my cool and let him continue to make himself look like a bigger ass.

After the parents left, I told the police guys that the dad will probably go to the chief, complain about us drinking at the fire house (which we don't do, EVER--but even if we did, I'm 40 years old!), go to the mayor, complain about us drinking at the fire house, and then try to have us arrested for corrupting a minor. In other words, he's an angry loudmouth who's evidently used to controlling the people around him, and he's going to "win" against us, do or die.

The police guys just laughed and said, "Well, he'll have to come through us to file charges, and there ain't no way we're going to let that happen."

Like I said, the dad seems to blame all of his problems on the most available person. I guess that was me tonight.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:40 AM
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12. Sadly you can't help everyone
Some people are unable to accept the help. :hug:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:56 AM
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14. Thanks.
:hug:

They haven't lived in town long. I hope that they just pull up their covered wagon and move on to the next town. :grr:

:pals:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:26 AM
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15. He's angry at you for being nice to him. He doesn't feel he's entitled to
be treated nicely, since he's not at home.

So he egged you to provoke the feelings he's accustomed to, the drama, the wedge, the wall.

He couldn't very well tell his dad you were nice to him, now could he?

Poor little fucked up dude....
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:56 AM
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19. Thanks for that perspective.
I guess I need to let it go. :(
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:18 AM
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24. It's so heartbreaking. These parents aren't exactly breaking the law, but
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 07:19 AM by radwriter0555
they're just screwing up these kids SOOOO badly, and nice, good hearted people like you get their hearts broken.

Big hugs, you feel too much, don't you? There's a world of hurt out there that needs healing... but I know you save the ones you can, and cry over the ones you can't, and we need more angels like you here on earth.

It makes the ones saved that much more precious....

big, big hugs.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:20 AM
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25. You are such a sweetie.
Thank you for your post. It hit home and means a lot to me.

:hug:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:31 AM
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31. I'll second that.
Poor kid is messed in the head.

But having said that, you don't deserve bad treatment because of it.
You did the right thing.

I'd say keep your distance. You've done all you can do at this point.

If later down the line the kid approaches you, you might try to have a talk with him. But be careful.

:hug:
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:14 AM
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36. That's what i was thinking. Even negative attention is attention.
This kid is screaming from the rooftops in a language no one understands, or at least isn't trying to understand (no offense to the OP, as i am sure you are not un-compassionate)

If his home life is a constant trauma and drama scene and is never treated decently, he is lashing out at those who treat him decently. He is screaming and he doesn't think anyone hears him.

I am not defending vandalism, by any stretch, don't get me wrong and i am no child psychologist but it seems to me that this young man is having a hard time and has NO idea how to handle it. He needs to own up to his actions but he also needs to understand how to channel his rage. And at 16 and with the dickhead father figure in his life that understanding may be a long way coming.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:29 AM
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16. It's time that police have zero tolerance about mischief night
This is a practice that has long been overdue to come to an end. And you want to know what's silly - when I lived in a predominently white neighborhood this happened more often than where I live now which is a predomimently african-american and hispanic neighborhood. (actually it has never happened since I've moved).

I'm not talking about giving kids a police record for egging a car. But it would be nice to have an extra patrol car or 2 and when they see kids doing this crap - pick them up and their punishment would be to work a car wash where all the cars egged can go for free to have their car clean.

Then all the kids who were picked up that night causing havoc can work off their crimes.

Ok, seems like a silly solution but it's time that we put mischief night to an end!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:01 AM
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20. This kid drives a Cadillac Escalade...
I drive an older car. I told the dad that what I have might not be nice in his eyes, but I like it and keep it clean, and the fact that it's not a 2005 Escalade doesn't mean that people can destroy it.

Do you know that neither the parents nor the child apologized before they left.

I would have been overjoyed if the father would have shucked out a $20 so that I could get my car cleaned. That was the farthest thing from his mind, though.

Lynne, I think yours is a good idea. In my utopia, you will be police chief. :D
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:49 AM
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30. Oh hell no that position
I'd rather just be the town mayor - let someone else do my dirty work.

Sounds like this family is nueov riche trash: They have money but still carry their trash background. THey are the most irritating people you'll ever deal with.

Sounds like you have the police on your side - I'd tell the parents that either they pay to have your car detailed or you're pressing charges against the kid. Or with less legal hassles - the kid is banned from the firestation until he apologizes and pays for the detailing of your car (and any others that might be damaged that night)

One note about the kid's accusations about the alleged partying & cursing going on at the firehouse. I'd make sure that there definately isn't any drinking or cursing going on - I'm sure most people at the firehouse follow the rules. But you never know - that kid might be hanging out with a small group of firepeople at the station who breakaway from the main group so they can kick back a few beers and the kids might hang around with them.

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:37 AM
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17. I feel pretty bad for the kid.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 06:38 AM by mutley_r_us
It's no wonder he's going to act out with a father like that.

Do you think this started with the whole Mischief Night thing? Maybe he thought he was being funny, and that no one would get mad at him, but when you did get mad at him he lost it?

Not that I think you did anything wrong. I think you did everything right. I can just see this from the kid's POV -- sounds like stepdad is really screwing him up.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:02 AM
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21. I told the cops, if he would have rolled my car, I wouldn't have ...
cared. But dried egg pulls of the clear coat when you wash the car. And I have egg ALL OVER my car. Still. I haven't been able to wash it yet.

For him to pick out the people who help him to egg--I still just can't figure out why.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:15 AM
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23. I sort of agree with what radwriter said about it...
I can think of no other reason why this kid would do this other than to sabatoge your relationship with him, because he doesn't know how to act around people who care about him and show it.

I'm sorry you had to get caught up in a family like this. It's not easy.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:44 AM
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18. I'd Be Angry Too... That's A Bad Situation.
Sorry you had to go through that and for all the trouble. You guys certainly didn't deserve to be treated like that.

Despite it all, I'll bet that the "success stories" (and the kids who really appreciate everyone's efforts) help to make up for days like today.

~Allen
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:04 AM
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22. Thanks for always seeing the rainbow.
:D

Yes, it does make up for it.

A couple of days ago, I locked my keys in my car at Lowe's, and I coulnd't find anyone in my family at home to come pick me up to go home and get the other set of keys. One of the kids came and got me and helped me out. He saved my day!

Yes, the kids who respect me are respected BY me and they are a joy to be around.
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:42 AM
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26. Sorry for your bad experience but
pls don´t give up on the kid.

He is obviously afraid of his step father and IMO the kid acted logically in this instance (what would he have gained by coming clean?).

I understand you are hurt and feel betrayed but something tells me this kid might need some help down the line.

You could try and have a no nonsense talk with him if you have the opportunity, tell him how you feel and let him know that you feel let down but don´t shut the door on him.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:20 AM
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28. Stockholm, after I get over my anger, I might do that.
However, since his dad is a loose cannon, I'm going to keep my distance. Only if he comes back to the fire house when I'm there would I possibly have that talk with him. And that is completely dependent on whether I can put aside my anger.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:51 AM
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27. God, it hurts to see kids who have a chance at a life because of people
like you get messed up by their own parents. The ones who are supposed to love them most and guide them through. I know you've got to be hurting over this Maddy, but you did the right thing.

Hugs to you...I wish I had you in my kids' lives. You're an asset to the country.

:hug:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:21 AM
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29. Hi, doll!
How are you doing this morning? Have you got the kids' trick-r-treat costumes ready?

You always know how to say the right thing. :hug:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:48 AM
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35. I'm doing okay! Just got back from my son's class party. He is Darth
Vader...with the voice changer "and everything". My daughter was going to go as me...80's style, but changed her mind at the last minute and went as Annette Funicello....Mouseketeer style! Which was kind of cool too!


:loveya:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:11 AM
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32. Hugs to you Maddy. (((hugs)))
Sorry this had to happen, I know what the fire department and your work there means to you. :hug:

I agree with those who say what the kid did was done because he is used to rejection and drama. The only way he gets attention is to do something wrong to get yelled out or a negative reaction. He wanted bragging rights to say he did the egging (in his mind that would make him "big" in the eyes of his peers), the only problem was he got caught and was embarrassed by it.

Sorry that MMjr was struck by the egg, sorry this had to happen. All you can do is try and you get a gold star and my undying respect for trying so damned hard. You are a hero in my eyes and you and the folks at the VFD are what make this nation so great.

:hug: :loveya: Let the anger go and just keep on trying. The father is one screwed up soul and unfortunately the sins of the father have already caused great harm to this boy.

Happy Halloween! :hug: :loveya:

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texas1928 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:41 AM
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33. Makes you want to stop helping people doesn't it.
My office mates and I have been keeping a bowl of candy in our area for anyone to have a piece. Some are nice and say thank you, one guy has even given us a few bucks to help replenish the dish.

But there are others who come in and whine cause we do not have this or that type of candy in the dish. And they are not joking. It is really annoying. If you want that type of candy go buy it.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:47 AM
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34. I just hope somehow this kid can turn it around.
All you can do is give someone a chance and you did your part. That's all anyone can ask of you. He's gotta grow up and get outta that house.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:17 AM
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37. Maddy, I feel your pain
I'm having some trouble too.

Unfortunately, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The kid's behavior is what it is because of the behavior of his parents. Children live what they learn.

You did what you could. Be proud of your efforts and move on.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:32 AM
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38. Nothing like a good ole halloween egging
Those were the days.
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