Katie Holmes to give birth the scientological way

[MrScorpio]

October 7, 2005

Katie Holmes is set to give birth in silence. As devout disciples of cult religion Scientology the beautiful actress and her husband-to-be, Tom Cruise, would have to maintain a vigil of total
silence in the delivery suite.

The bizarre ritual - which Scientologists believe should be carried out to prevent children from turning mad - is nothing new to Cruise who insisted the biological mothers of the adopted children he had with Nicole Kidman have their babies in silence, according to a 2001 report in America's New York Post newspaper.

Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, tells his followers in his book Dianetics: "Maintain silence in the presence of birth to save both the sanity of the mother and child and safeguard the home to which they will go.

"The maintaining of silence does not mean a volley of 'Sh's', for those make stammerers."

Actor and leading Hollywood Scientologist John Travolta who also insisted his wife Kelly Preston gave birth in silence, explained after the birth of his second child Ella Bleu: "In Dianetics, you try and keep the delivery room quiet so there's nothing recorded in the child's mind that shouldn't be there while there's pain going on."

Tom and Katie are also set to be strict parents.

Scientologists are encouraged not to comfort or nurture young children because Hubbard believed a child is simply a small adult who can look forward to look after themselves from a young age.

http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2937031

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. Are they going to tell the baby to shut up when it comes out?

[BeTheChange]

2. Is she already pregnant?

Bizarre. I mean, if the mothers decided to do this that voluntarily, with no pressure from men, that would be one thing...

But insisting your wife be quiet during childbirth is insane.

[MrScorpio]

3. That last sentence of the article is pure insanity

Really

[Whoa_Nelly]

20. Maybe that's the REAL reason Nicole and Tom separated

and divorced. He tried to control the non-nuturing, and feisty Nicole said, "No!".

[KitchenWitch]

4. Gods help that poor child

UnFuckingReal.

If I had needed to stay silent during childbirth, I would now be under permanent psychiatric care.

[China_cat]

5. In the immortal words of Penn and Teller

Bullshit.

[JI7]

6. i thought this was going to be a joke when i saw the subject line

i wish it was.

[AccessGranted]

7. Yeah Okay Whatever

Katie will be screaming like a lunatic when she is in labor and what's Tom going to do - tell her to shut up???? That crap hurts! And the poor baby is going to scream when it finds out Tom Cruise is his father and that it will have to live its life in the front of the papparazzi and in the Church of Scientology. Oh joy!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. So do the moms get any kind of labor relief, meds, epidural or whatever?

If not, I'd think it'd be pretty hard for THEM to keep "quiet" while birthin' a baby.

For those who haven't attended an unmedicated childbirth, there's generally a fair amount of noise.

[tanyev]

19. Hopefully Katie gets to bite down on Tom's hand

whenever she feels some pain.

[yvr girl]

22. The birth is supposed to be drug free as well

Why make it easy?

[Deja Q]

9. Almost as nutty at britt-brat spears...

Hubbard was a cretin.

Also, how many people remember their births? I sure as hell don't remember mine.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. OK, as an atheist, I generally believe religion is fucked up BUT

Some ARE more fucked up than others.

Someone tell me THIS isn't FUCKED UP:

Scientologists are encouraged
not to comfort or nurture young children because Hubbard believed a child is simply a small adult who can look forward to look after themselves from a young age.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Majorly F'ed up.

[tatertop]

33. That is definitely fucked up

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. Total disregard for the woman

As someone suggested on another thread: take some pliers to Tom's privates and see if he can be silent through the pain.


These guys are looney.

[wildhorses]

13. I hope they do us all a favor and

remain quiet for the rest of their days

[Z_I_Peevey]

14. That's seriously messed up,

but in a weird way, it's a natural extension of how our society has made childbirth more and more male-dominated.

I remember the male doctor at my first delivery encouraging me to "conserve my energy" by restraining my screaming. Bullshit. In subsequent deliveries, I listened to no one but myself. Screamed when screaming was appropriate, heaved and grunted and made all sorts of unseemly noises when appropriate.

Poor Katie Holmes. What has she gotten herself into? But most of all, poor little Holmes Spawn.

[MountainLaurel]

24. Ding, ding ding

We have a winner. Recently read a horrifying book about the twilight births that became mainstream in the Baby Boom era. Women were knocked out cold (theoretically, at least: many woke up reporting hallucinations about their body parts being ripped from them), almost all deliveries involved forceps, often the newborns wouldn't really wake up for days because of the anesthesia they had gotten through their mother's blood.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

34. I'm no Scientology fan, but . . .

is it any more screwed up and bizarre than mutilating the genitals of a six day old baby boy? Or shaking a water-filled wand at it and mumbling in Latin about patriarchs and ghosts?

It's religion. Whaddya want? Sanity?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

37. See #10.

Not nurturing the child leaves those other bizarrenesses in the dust. And the baptism thing doesn't even HARM the child.

[Dastard Stepchild]

15. awwww..... the overwhelming stress of unnaturally imposed...

silence on delivery. That should make for a nice, serene labor room.

Do body emissions count, or will Katie be reprimanded severely for the betrayal of her body's ability to follow the Scientologist way?

[undeterred]

16. Can we ask Cruise to perform his career the scientology way

and just shut the fuck up in public for the rest of his life?

[deadparrot]

17. *snort* Yeah, we'll see how THAT works out. nt

[LibDemAlways]

18. To expect a woman giving birth to

shut up, suck up, and endure the pain is something that could only have been thought up by a man. L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud who made up shit. Why people continue to be taken in by this nonsense is baffling.

If Katie had any sense at all, she'd flee now and avoid being the next ex-Mrs. Cruise.

[rug]

21. I think she's giving birth to an Etch-a-Sketch.

[gollygee]

23. I'm more bothered by the belief that you shouldn't comfort young children

than the silence during birth thing. Silence during birth is a stupid expectation but it won't hurt the child.

Poor kids who are in families like that.

[MountainLaurel]

25. You'd be surprised

Many people in the U.S. believe that comforting infants (for instance, by picking them up when they cry) is spoiling them. Much of this comes from "good Christian" sources like the Ezzos and Dobson.

[I Have A Dream]

26. My guess is that painkillers also won't be allowed.

I don't know anything about Scientology, but I wouldn't be surprised given some of the things that Tom has said about drugs.

[El Fuego]

27. THAT IS SO FUCKED UP

And what is the scientology way to give birth? Just the way that L. Ron Hubbard, a man who knows nothing of medicine and has certainly never given birth, came up with.

[Shine]

28. Well, that is truly bizarre.

I wonder if they'll really be able to make that happen.

Speaking from experience, you can read all the books and have all the plans about how you want your delivery to go, but you never really know what it's gonna look like, and FEEL like, until you're in the midst of it. It's the ultimate lesson in SURRENDERING to the moment....and also, imo, a metaphor for the parenting journey itself. In other words, it's NEVER quite what you expect or plan for.

There's what you plan and then there's what happens.

Shine

[ThingsGottaChange]

29. The perfect recipe

for raising a sociopath!

Scientologists are encouraged not to comfort or nurture young children because Hubbard believed a child is simply a small adult who can look forward to look after themselves from a young age.

[aePrime]

30. Silly Scientologist...

The bizarre ritual - which Scientologists believe should be carried out to prevent children from turning mad

Umm, so if the child did turn out mad, couldn't that just be cured with vitamins and exercise?

[radwriter0555]

31. Soooo, she probably had SEX the scientological way too, which is what

exactly, can we imagine, or does someone know?

Wasn't dear, sweet littke katie a virgin?

[Impossible Princess]

32. strange..

"Scientologists are encouraged not to comfort or nurture young children because Hubbard believed a child is simply a small adult who can look forward to look after themselves from a young age."

That is so not true. It is during the first stages of childhood that a child needs nuturing.

[Ilsa]

35. That last statement about not nurturing is what child abuse is all about.

What a horrible thing to do with your child. I wonder how Katie is going to manage to control her impulses to hug and hold and love and comfort her baby? This is cruelty. I had no idea.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. She gets fed up, asks for divorce, keeps child, abuse stops.

Or so I hope.