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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:32 AM Original message |
***INTERESTING PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION*** |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. He has moral obligations for sure. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. What moral obligations does he have? Does the child have |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The child is 50% part of the father. Why |
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charlie and algernon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
2. he has both moral and legal obligations |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. It is an interesting question. |
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kick-ass-bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. both - definitely legal. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. OK, right. But does it make him MORALLY responsible? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Is the mother morally responsible? If so, then the father is too. |
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charlie and algernon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. how about being that father figure |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Huh? |
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charlie and algernon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. why shouldn't a child have that right? |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Why SHOULD the child have that right? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. He has that right b/c he is very much a part of his father. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. EXACTLY. You hit on my point. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Well we already know that though! Kids are being |
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kick-ass-bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. yes he has the moral responsibility as well. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. What about this analogy: |
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kick-ass-bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I'm not sure what that has to do with having a child, but... |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It's built on the same principle--is the "ought to" voluntary |
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kick-ass-bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. built on the same principle, maybe, but the results are trivial. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I've moved away from that--the point I'm making |
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kick-ass-bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I am disagreeing with the implication that there are "Moral Laws" |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. No, you sound just like me, only from a different angle. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That analogy would maybe work if we weren't discussing life. |
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Splatter Phoenix (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. The little brother ought to get back at his ass. |
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cassandra uprising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
12. If every parent gave emotional and moral support |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Morals are different for everyone. |
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anarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. I don't know... |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Well I do feel that a woman who is pregnant should |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The point is that he has no INVOLUNTARY moral obligations. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Okay |
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MissMillie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
28. EVERY child has a "right" to emotional and moral support of the father |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
32. You guys are all agreeing ..let me stir the pot |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I can agree with most everything you say. Those |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. You can say the same for her..... |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 08:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. That is one of the key issues with abortion I think. |
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Splatter Phoenix (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
34. Neh. |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
35. Morally, he ought to give the child emotional support |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. If this not the same argument we give to ROE |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I thought Roe was about |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No one answered my original question |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Shouldn't a man take responsibility for his actions? |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Of course carry a baby to term |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Who said he was trapped? |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. Since it's obvious he's out of the picture... |
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Kenneth ken (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. no |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. does that mean the mother isn't obligated, either? |
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Kenneth ken (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. isn't that one reason |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Ultimately |
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Kenneth ken (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. we agree here: |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
39. The child has a right to scream in the grocery store. |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. "does the child have a right to emotional and moral support?" |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
42. child support |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
44. Do the correct "thing" is the answer |
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Tikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
47. It's all about quality of life...all it will ever be.... |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
48. These moral rights are a product of culture, culture IS dynamic. |
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