Girl, chained to bed, dies in fire

[ChoralScholar]

I normally don't post news, but this one really upset me. Clarksville, AR is about 45 minutes east of Fort Smith on I-40.

"Less than 24 hours after two parents lose their home and 10-year-old daughter in a Monday morning fire, Johnson County authorities arrested the mother and father Monday night after it appeared the dead girl was chained to her bed. "

http://www.couriernews.com/story.asp?ID=3927

[CanuckAmok]

1. No doubt fundie parents who thought the girl had demons or something...

...I guess they're glad she's up in heaven with the Little Baby Jesus now :grr:

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[CanuckAmok]

16. Christians are fine. Whackos aren't.

Christians wouldn't chain a 10 year old girl to a bed.

Fundamentalist nutjobs might, though.

[Rowdyboy]

19. And if we had ANY proof that happened

Your statement would have been appropriate. We don't and it wasn't. Instead it was a cheap shot-at least until there is PROOF

[CanuckAmok]

21. okay. I can't wait to be proven wrong. n/t

[truthspeaker]

28. it's happened enough time before

that I think the speculation was appropriate. Again, he wasn't attacking Christians, but fanatical nutjobs who not only believe in demons but believe chaining someone to a bed is an appropriate way of dealing with them. Heck, he didn't even say fundamentalist Christians - he could have meant any kind of religious fanatic.

Imagine the police found some Jewish people murdered by persons unknown. Imagine if someone speculated that Nazis did it. Would we all be rushing to defend Nazis against unwarranted accusations?

[PVnRT]

30. So there's no difference between fundies and normal Christians?

I find it more insulting that you lump us all together than the assumption (a valid one) that it was fundie whacko parents who chained the girl to her bed.

[truthspeaker]

31. ?????

Who has been lumping all Christians together? That's exactly the opposite of what I was trying to do. Can you show me one attack on Christians in this thread?

[Undemcided]

34. The reference to little baby Jesus

This clearly identifies Christians.

[truthspeaker]

35. in context

"No doubt fundie parents who thought the girl had demons or something...
...I guess they're glad she's up in heaven with the Little Baby Jesus now"

In that context it clearly is referring only to fanatical fundamentalist whack-jobs, not all Christians.

[Undemcided]

36. Have to disagree

OK here are the points.

1. Firstly the tragic and avoidable death of a child.
2. We do not know why she was chained to the bed.
3. We do not know the religion, if any, of the parents.
4. CanuckAmok stated that “no doubt” it was the work of fundamentalist Christians , there was no “speculation” here.
5. CanuckAmok stated the parents would be “glad she's up in heaven with the Little Baby Jesus”.

So do we allow this kind of open bigotry? What if someone had said “no doubt the fire was started by niggers since they’ll be glad the girl is dead”? We would have nailed their arse for saying it and rightfully so. The point is that without one scintilla of evidence CanuckAmok thought it was apropos to say it was the fault of Christians. This is a sad refection on his blatant bigotry. :-(

[truthspeaker]

37. he didn't say it was the fault of Christians

He said it was "no doubt" the fault of fundamentalist Christians.

Fundamentalist Christians are a known hate-group with a long history of child abuse.

[Undemcided]

42. long history of child abuse?

Can you provide me with a few links?

[truthspeaker]

43. I should be able to post some later today

But unless you have never picked up an American newspaper in your life you should already know.

For a start, check out these fundamentalists. They are pretty representative: www.godhatesfags.com

[Undemcided]

45. Thanks.

But I want to know why you think they're more likely to abuse their children.

[CanuckAmok]

38. My bigotry is clearly against deluded zealots and fundamentalists.

And proudly so. Not "Christians". More like people who are fucking whackjobs who identify themselves as "Christians".

Seems like the only person hurling unfounded accusations on this thread is...well, not me.

[PVnRT]

39. FUNDAMENTALIST Christians

I am a Christian and got exactly what he was saying. What you are doing is lumping all Christians together, not him, and, as I said earlier, I find that far more offensive.

[CanuckAmok]

41. I didn't even say fundie "Christians", directly...

...but I suppose if they are Fundies, the statistic liklihood of them identifying themselves as any other sect (Islamic Fundies, etc) is pretty slim, considering the geographic location.

[Undemcided]

44. I don't want this to be a flamefest.

So I'll take you at your word.

Perhaps you should read this.
What is a fundamentalist Christian?

From the Christian perspective, fundamentalist has traditionally referred to any follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and who believes in its literal interpretation and fundamental teachings. The fundamental Christian believes in the experience of the "new birth" which occurs when faith is placed in Christ as Savior and Lord. To the world this may be viewed as radical, but is very basic to the Christian faith.

This applies to me.

In the broad sense, fundamentalism may be used to describe Christians who are uncompromising, conservative and who take their beliefs to the maximum — exactly how every believer should live. But because of recent, increased activism by those identified as fundamentalists, who have promoted unethical actions such as bringing violence against abortion clinics, doctors etc., some academic circles believe that fundamentalism has been redefined by our society. They believe that the philosophy of fundamentalism (at least in the world's eyes) has evolved into a legitimate form of extremism, with views too radical for the balanced, evangelical Christian. For this reason, fundamentalism may no longer be a term which accurately conveys what orthodox Christians really believe.

This would apply to people who shoot abortion providers.

Next time perhaps you could just say "Maybe they were religous fanatics?" instead of just piling on. Peace out.

[CanuckAmok]

46. or maybe I should have said:

"fundie parents". Oh, wait, that's what I said.

[Undemcided]

47. You didn't read my post

n/t

[merry_jane]

48. What does religion have to do with it?

They were nuts for chaining a kid to a bed (maybe, just maybe, there's a medical reason for it -- I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, although I can't think of any condition offhand) and leaving the kid in the house alone while chained. Period. Doesn't matter if they were Christian or Pagan. That's just wrong.

[sexybomber]

2. WHAT?

Why? W... *grumbles incoherently*

Why would people DO that?

[Frangible]

3. That's disturbing

It scares the bejeezus out of me when irresponsible people have children and do things like that.

[ChoralScholar]

5. me too...

This one really got to me because my wife is 4 months pregnant, and I am beginning to think like a father. Apparently these people never learned how to think like parents.

There was NO DAMN REASON for that girl to die! No behavior is bad enough to chain a child to a bed.

[Bluzmann57]

4. It is very sad

when assholes are parents when there are so many people out there who would make great, loving parents. But oh no, can't have them thar queers bein' parents. They might be deviants or some sech thang! Sorry, but this kind of story infuriates me.

[scarlet_owl]

29. Exactly. I think the same thing everyday.

Why the hell can these MF's reproduce and my husband and I can't. We are very happily married and we just bought a new house complete with an extra room. A baby is all we want in the world. It also makes me sick to think that there are people out there who can't adopt and be parents simply because they are gay. AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Brucey]

6. We live in a very weird country.

[Westegg]

7. chained girl dies in fire

But what's the answer? Man, crap like this just depresses me. It's been said a million times, but I'll say it again: You have to pass a test to drive a car, or sell property, but not to bring a child into the world and raise it. Like I said, I don't have the solution. But this kind of (all-too-common) story just brings us all down. And by "us," I mean humans.

[izzie]

9. look at the "Garden Of Eden" painting. We have always been nuts.

I would think we would learn something as time moves on but we never seem to.

[WindRavenX]

8. The article had no mention as to why she was chained to her bed

I think manslaughter would be letting the parents off pretty light if they chained her as punishment...

[RobinA]

10. Before Joining a Lynch Mob

Maybe it would be best to find out why she was chained to the bed before executing the parents.

True, they could be nutcases, there are plenty of them out there. But maybe she has some kind of mental or neurological illness that causes her to move around uncontrollably in some way. Maybe the parents have asked for help, but managed health care being what it is, they were told to go home and deal with it themselves. Maybe the parents are limited themselves and the daughter has a problem they cannot deal with and this was their way of coping.

Just a thought.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. I would agree with withholding judgement

Frankly, if the child had a habit of sleepwalking or going outdoors in the middle of the night or any of a number of things that might endanger the child..the parents approach while strange might have been more reasonable than the alternative..not enough info to tell in this article

[ChoralScholar]

12. well

If there is an update on a motive in the coming days, I will post it.

[Booberdawg]

13. There is NO justifiable reason for CHAINING someone to a bed

NONE! NADA! ZIP! That is BARBARIC! Not to mention a fire hazard!! Duh! Even for someone with a mental or neurological illness being cared for in a licensed facility it is against the law to CHAIN someone to a bed, or to anything.

FOR EXAMPLE: My son lived in an Intermediate Care Facility for 8 children. Due to his propensity for, shall we say, "exploring" he would escape through his bedroom window, which was the type that opened inward by winding the crank handle. It would seem simple enough to just nail the damn thing shut or lock it somehow, but it was against the law to do so. It was also a fire code violation to have an escape route blocked off, even though my son was an escape artist and we needed to prevent him from using that exit route for his own saftey.

The solution - we had to put an alarm on the window. So every time he tried to open that window and sneak out when no one was looking, he he, the alarm sounded. Fixed his wagon. :D Scared the crap outta him the first couple times he tried it too. :D

Now, I don't know what the circumstances are with these parents. Perhaps there are facts we don't know. But, I seriously DOUBT anyone can convince me that there is ANY GOOD REASON to CHAIN ANY HUMAN BEING to a bed.

[Booberdawg]

14. Please do keep us posted if you get an update on this.

I would be interested in seeing why the parents thought it was necessary to treat a 10 year old child like this.

[ProudGerman]

17. Exactly, no excuse

I wouldn't chain my dogs to anything, let alone my 10 year old daughter.

She hadn't even started to live yet......

[Sting]

18. man..

that story makes me sick. any parents that do that to their child deserve to get the chair. :mad:
Sting

[Rowdyboy]

20. Does NO ONE else want to know the whole story before

passing judgement? I, like everyone else am sickened. But, before I condemn anyone, I'd like to know the facts. Thats only fair....Isn't it?

[CanuckAmok]

22. what's to debate?

Assuming the parents are the ones who tied her to the bed, they chained their little girl to a bed, and then allowed her to burn to death in a fire. I'm really open-minded, so PLEASE tell me what kind of behaviour warrants this kind of child abuse.

[Rowdyboy]

24. You assume the parents chained her to the bed...

I haven't seen proof of that! For God sakes' when I see some solid, provable corroboration, I'll lead the lynch party. But not until its proven. No....

[Booberdawg]

26. With all due respect, who else BUT her parents would have chained

her to the bed? Surely you are not suggesting some stranger came into the house just to chain the child to the bed?? Or are you questioning whether she was even chained to the bed?

[Booberdawg]

23. There is NO good reason to CHAIN someone to a bed.

What you are asking is tantamount to someone saying lets see WHY the parents severely beat and sexually abused their children before we pass judgement on them.

Had the girl lived, the fact that she was found CHAINED to a bed would have been grounds for child abuse charges. It's barbaric - you cannot treat people like that, whether they are disabled or not.

[Rowdyboy]

25. And I agree...

Now, lets just sit back and wait to discover the whole story...

[ProfessorGAC]

33. There's An Excuse To Chain A CHILD To A Bed?

I haven't accused, or convicted anybody of anything! But, it seems to me there's zero reason to chain a child to a bed. If only for this very reason. A child, or even a pet, chained inside a house is a sitting duck.

And, even if firefighters could have gotten to the room, how would they extract her? This is reckless endangerment, pure and simple.

There is no reason to debate whether this was a foolish and irresponsible action by the parents. The question of whether it's criminal is up to the courts, not me.

There's is NO excuse for this to have happened. And, it would appear the police and DA agree with me.
The Professor

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

40. I probably phrased myself poorly ..I don't think there is a good reason

I am just not passing judgement on whether the motive was evil or plain ignorance. It is tragic. I just don't think we have enough info on which to judge their intent.

[Booberdawg]

52. Your CYA response still troubles me

First of all, ignorance is not a defense last I knew.

Based upon your 2 comments in this thread, there still seems to be a suspicious indication that your opinion about the behavior of the parents would be based upon the capabilities or habits of the child(if the child had a habit of sleepwalking or going outdoors in the middle of the night or any of a number of things that might endanger the child), and not necessarily based upon the responsibility of the parents.

I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that our justice system should exact a different result for abuse against disabled or mentally challenged citizens versus "normal" citizens or children. I mean, your comment excusing parents for a chaining a child that sleepwalks or goes outdoors at night is very, very, very disturbing. Nor, does that indicate a mentally disabled child either.

There is no reason to suggest the child in this situation was in any way disabled or challenged mentally. I really don't care if there was a mental or behavior problem or parent problem or what.

There is no excuse in my mind for chaining someone to a bed. I don't understand why anyone here is even having second thoughts or reservations about this and frankly it makes me sick to think anyone would go to any length to justify the heinous abuse that resulted in the murder of a child like this.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. Ignorance is not a defense but legally there are degrees of

crimes.

I really don't think I am justifying anything and frankly think you are responding with a hostility that doesn't have much to do with the story.

I don't think anyone especially myself is justifying abuse. I think you said that not me.

I think people (parents) are faced with situations where they make the wrong or ignorant choices based on a poor set of alternatives at times.

Since I don't know all the facts of the case, I would reserve judgement on the parents' intentions (since INTENT is a large ingredient in the degree of any crime) until such a time as all the facts are known.

If waiting for the facts makes me a sick barbarian, so be it.

As far as calling it my CYA...again, that is your terminology and a bit of a personal slam directed at me..I wasn't COVERING anything, I was clarifying my thoughts. Gee, I hope that is permissible.

[Booberdawg]

57. Having now read the prior track to this thread over again

I stand by my observation of some backtracking on your part (CYA), you can call it reconsideration or clarifying which is perfectly fine with me. I chose to call it CYA and after re-reading I will stand by my choice of words.

I don't believe there is any personal discussion about sick barbarians??? Nor do I think there is the personal hostility directed towards you that you seem to be reading into my post.

This is an admittedly very personal issue and hot button issue with me. I must STILL take exception with the notion that the parents of this mentally challenged child might be MORE inclined to ignorance (or unsophistication) than most parents.

Oh, knock of the personal slam stuff already. I make no apologies for my passion on this issue.

[Booberdawg]

49. Appreciate a shared voice of reason here, Prof

I was a'feared I was a pissin' in the wind here.

In hindsight, I wish I'd included my dog, a dog, any dog, in my previous comments. I would not chain up my dog, particularly while I'm gone or sleeping.

Regardless of what the law says, chaining a child, an adult, or an animal to a bed is BARBARIC. There is no good excuse for it.

[Booberdawg]

27. An Update

Bond was set Wednesday at $100,000 cash each on a 32-year-old man and 31-year-old woman arrested Monday following a Johnson County house fire that killed their 10-year-old daughter, whose body was found chained to her bed by her ankles.

<snip>

“The reason that the child was chained to the bed is unknown at this time,” Gibbons stated Wednesday. “I do know that there is no justifiable reason to chain the 10-year-old child to their bed.”

Bond set for couple in death of girl chained to bed

[ChoralScholar]

32. Thanks for updating

I hadn't had a chance to read the paper this morning.

I think we're putting a hurt on the Courier's website, it's running pretty slow.

[ChoralScholar]

50. I did find somewhat of an update on the story:

From KFSM Channel 5 (CBS Affiliate for Fort Smith/Fayetteville, AR)

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=1522718&nav=2uEHJ5NO

"Although there have been reports that the parents told investigators the little girl would runaway at night, authorities won't confirm that. However, prosecuting attorney David Gibbons did tell 5NEWS that the girl was mentally challenged and may have had behavioral problems--but he added that is no excuse to chain a child to a bed."

Try to keep this kicked so everyone can read in the morning.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

51. Again, I don't see it as an excuse so much as I don't see the

parents as necessarily sophisticated in dealing with the situation. The sad truth is that parents of mentally challenged children don't have a great deal of support, and these parents obviously did not have the foresight to see how dangerous this was.

The only thing I am not passing judgement on is their intent in the matter. Not whether the practice itself is acceptable..it clearly isn't.

I DO get concerned that the bloodlust to punish these people, criminalize their ignorance and call them names overshadows the fact that their tragic mistake cost them their daughter.

[Booberdawg]

55. And why MUST you assume parents of such a child are

"unsophisticated" and "ignorant"?

In all my years of experience with such children and parents, I have seen only ONE case of incompetence of a parent of such a child for which the grandparent was made the guardian so it wasn't an issue for this child anyway.

How hard is it to consider deadbolts on the doors INSIDE the house instead of chaining a kid to a bed? How 'bout putting side rails on the bed? An alarm on the bedroom door? I've done it all with SUCCESS!! I had an escape artist for a mentally disabled child and it NEVER EVEN FUCKING OCCURRED TO ME, not even ONCE, to use restraints or chains or harm a hair on his head in any way. Get a fucking grip people! - it is NOT a NORMAL thought for a parent to think to abuse a child, mentally disabled or not.

I'd like to know why everybody else got out of that house without anyone going to get her ...

I'm sorry, child abuse isn't okay or more reasonable just because the child is mentally challenged. I'm actually not surprised that is why this happened, it is actually what I feared the most.

As far as the parents intent in the matter, that's easy. *sigh* Of course they did not intend for her to burn to death. They did not think they would be caught using abusive methods. It's a lot easier taking shortcuts than it is doing what works best for the child. What is your point? I don't think you have thought this out completely. To be honest, I think you could be better informed on the issue.

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[Booberdawg]

58. Again I will not apologize for my passion on this issue

and I think your personalization of these issues is inappropriate. I don't believe anything in my prior post was *about* YOU at all.

I stand by every single word in my prior post. I said what I meant and I meant what I said. How you construed any of it to be ABOUT you is not my concern. If you would like to take up any of the *issues* addressed in my prior post I would be glad to revisit this.

[Booberdawg]

63. I would not automatically assume

the parents of a mentally challenged child are unsophisticated and ignorant, nor unable to have the foresight to see the danger of this situation.

I would look at this situation the same way as one would look at restraining a "normal" child to a bed that had "normal" parents, and am frankly annoyed with the suggestion that there is a correlation between disabled children and unsophisticated and ignorant parents.


http://www.couriernews.com/story.asp?ID=3979

<snip>

The mother of RFD 1 fire chief Dane Woodard told a Fort Smith television station she lives a few miles down the road and believed the parents wanted to cover up with authorities found early Monday morning.

“They went miles from over there,” Leola Woodard said, “plum over to Mount Vernon before they ever called anyone. They wanted to make sure that house was gone when they got there.”

Woodard went on to say she told her son when she heard the news that Lloyd Holt and Dick could have brought Molly Holt to her if they didn’t want the girl.

“I would’ve found a home for her,” she said.

[boilerbabe]

53. couldnt' get the website, it was temp. unavailable...n/t

[Booberdawg]

59. Another Update - Looks like the mother was abusing this girl.

Girl’s grandfather blames state, mom; 10-year-old who died wasn’t in school

http://www.couriernews.com/story.asp?ID=3960

[hlthe2b]

60. I've always maintained that children who are homeschooled...

should still be evaluated by the schools once a year--both to ensure they are learning, but also to try to prevent this kind of thing from going unnoticed....

May she rest in peace.... She has to be better off, now.

[RobinA]

65. Slippery Slope

Checking in yearly with the government for homeschoolers is a slippery slope. The argument is that it's justified to ensure the safety of children. OK. Do you favor court ordered prenatal care? How about locking up pregnant drug addicts? How about arresting women post-birth who use drugs during pregnancy? Maybe we take children from all drug addicts, since some drug addicts are bad parents as a direct result of their drug use. Take children from the seriously mentally ill? How about if the mentally ill check in yearly with the government just to make sure they are raising their children right?

[Booberdawg]

66. I don't believe the argument for checking in periodically with the

government for homeschoolers is to ensure the safety of children. The justification would be to ensure learning and perhaps verify the curriculum being used.

I really don't know what the current requirements are for this. Does any government money get spent for home schooling? In other words, do parents that home school their children get government dollars to fund home schooling?

The articles on this site are being erased each day so I do not recall what context home schooling was mentioned now or whether all of the children in this family were being home schooled or just the mentally challenged girl. It does not seem in her case, with a mental disability, that home schooling would be appropriate anyway.

[hlthe2b]

67. Yes, Booberdawg, that is correct.

Government has been given the responsibiity for ensuring children receive education and (arguably) equal basic education. I belive strongly it is there responsibility to do so, even if a parent elects to homeschool. I also think checking in with these kids could be a checks and balance for other possible problems, but the key issue is ensuring they are getting equivalent education.

[Booberdawg]

69. I know that children are assured an elementary education in this country,

and arguably it depends on who and where you are whether you get an equal one. I also know that a mentally disabled child is entitled to a specifically individualized education plan that is updated and modified as needed several times a year.

Home schooling seems to be an issue in this tragic case and I really think it is a side issue that has nothing to do with the tragic circumstances of this case and is more a separate issue for a separate thread.

While I can emphatically agree about all measures possible of discerning and reporting child abuse, I'm not sure I could sign on to visiting the homes of home schooled children for the SOLE purpose of checking for "possible" problems of child abuse, without any provocation for doing so to begin with.

[hlthe2b]

70. Yes, definitley a side issue...

And, I would not be willing to support routine visits for other than education assessment; but, as in any setting, if evidence of abuse is encountered, it should be reported.

[Maddy McCall]

68. Excellent point.

The reason many parents here homeschool is to get the children out from under incompetent teachers and out of abusive situations in public schools. It would NOT be a good thing for public officials, many of whom only see the child as a dollar sigh, to check in on parents, who in 99.9 percent of cases have their children's best interest at heart.

It is indeed a slippery slope and a suggestion for an enlarged manifestation of big brother.

The homeschoolers I know continue to pay taxes to the school district, and they fund 100% of their children's educational expenses. And, to be honest, the young adults I have in my classes are quite impressive, academically AND socially.

Robin, I couldn't agree more. I can imagine numerous reasons why that's a bad idea.

One bad apple does NOT spoil the whole bunch.

[Booberdawg]

61. New story for Sunday edition

Searching for answers: Death of girl shackled to bed near Clarksville attracts national attention

http://www.couriernews.com/story.asp?ID=3979

[Booberdawg]

62. Monday News - I am absolutely nauseous as I read this

Searching for answers: Death of girl shackled to bed near Clarksville attracts national attention
<snip>

Kendrick stated previously that when he arrived, he was told by Lloyd Holt that he had been unable to get Molly Holt out of the house. Firefighters began the process of cooling down the fire when they made a horrible discovery — the remains of Molly Holt, partially under her bed in the front bedroom of the house, with a metal chain that included two padlocks looped around her ankle and the bed frame.

<snip>

The mother of RFD 1 fire chief Dane Woodard told a Fort Smith television station she lives a few miles down the road and believed the parents wanted to cover up what authorities found early Monday morning.

“They went miles from over there,” Leola Woodard said, “plum over to Mount Vernon before they ever called anyone. They wanted to make sure that house was gone when they got there.”

Woodard went on to say she told her son when she heard the news that Lloyd Holt and Dick could have brought Molly Holt to her if they didn’t want the girl.

Searching for answers: Death of girl shackled to bed near Clarksville attracts national attention

Now I'm really getting pissed - trying to cover this up does not smack of an innocent mistake of an ignorant or unsophistocated parent to me. It sounds more like a parent that is more prone to abuse than care for the needs of a mentally challenged child.

[Undemcided]

64. Thanks for the update.

n/t

[Booberdawg]

71. I checked but there is no update for Tuesday

No story

on edit: anybody remember the girl's name?

[Booberdawg]

72. Tuesday, November 18th

Clarksville case prompts look at home schooling

By Peggy Harris
Associated Press writer

LITTLE ROCK (AP) — The death of a 10-year-old girl in a house fire — while chained to her bed — has some legislators and educators questioning whether Arkansas’ home schooling law ensures children obtain a quality education.

Molly Holt, whose home caught fire Nov. 9, couldn’t read or write and had special needs because of behavioral problems. Under Arkansas law, her mother, Teresa Dick, was able to take the girl out of the Clarksville public schools to home school Molly after the girl finished the first grade.

Molly’s mother didn’t have to have any particular qualifications to teach her daughter, didn’t have to have any training in special education, and didn’t have to report on Molly’s progress.

<snip>

Henry Holt, Molly’s grandfather, says a Clarksville special education teacher expressed concern over Molly’s welfare. But neither the state Human Services Department nor the school district will comment on whether they investigated Molly’s treatment at home.


Clarksville case prompts look at home schooling

[Booberdawg]

73. kick for the morning crowd

I'm not giving up on this kid

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

74. You would think the Russellville Courier would have sense

enough to keep these stories on archive, since it is probably the first and last time this many people have looked at their crummy little paper, huh?

Stuunads.

[Booberdawg]

75. Here's a link

I don't know how far back it goes...

Courier News Archives

[Booberdawg]

76. kick

[onebigbadwulf]

77. The story has been removed stop kicking it

This thread needs to rest in peace like the poor girl. I'm tired of seeing it

[Booberdawg]

78. "Who cares what you think"??

[ChoralScholar]

79. Wow...

I never had any idea this story would catch this many replies.

Now people are harping on home-schooling parents. How ridiculous.

Believe me, I certainly take issue with some aspects of home schooling, but this has absolutely nothing to do with home schooling your children. This is about a couple of parents who were out of control. Looks more everyday like they were trying to kill her. But I'm not ready to make that call just yet.

BTW, if you think the Courier Democrat is a shitty paper, check out the Clarksville paper. You'd think they would have the best coverage. There is a story in there about the fire.

The Johnson County Graphic (WTF?)
http://www.cswnet.com/~graphic/news.html

[Booberdawg]

80. I agree, ChoralScholar

Home schooling is really a secondary matter in this case and the topic of another thread as far as I'm concerned.

This topic might have seen even more replies if posted in GD.

[ChoralScholar]

81. I should have posted it in GD

But it seems like when I try to post to those groups I get snotty messages saying "this should be in XXXX forum" so I just post everything in Lounge to cover myself. :) Thanks for the support.

[Booberdawg]

82. As you can probably tell

I have a little passion for this story myself. ;-)

What happened to this girl is unconscionable and I’m not going to shut up about it.

[Booberdawg]

83. Thursday, November 20, 2003

Parents formally charged in death of 10-year-old

By Peggy Harris
Associated Press writer

LITTLE ROCK (AP) — The parents of a 10-year-old Clarksville girl who was found dead, chained to her bed in the family’s burned out home, were formally charged Wednesday in the girl’s death.

Lloyd Holt, 32, and Teresa Dick, 31, were each charged with manslaughter and first-degree false imprisonment, both felonies, said Johnson County Prosecutor David Gibbons.

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Henry Holt said a special education teacher at the school had notified the state Human Services Department of concerns with Molly’s home life. He also said his son, Lloyd, told him after the bond hearing that Teresa was chaining the girl to the bed and that he didn’t know about this because he went to bed early and got up in the middle of the night to work at a Tyson Foods plant.

Parents formally charged in death of 10-year-old