I joke about being more liberal than others, but some people

[Bouncy Ball]

apparently really mean it when they assert that they are the MOST liberal, the MOST righteous and pure!!!

You must NEVER post in the lounge to be a TRUE liberal fighting for the cause! And if you never post in election forums, well, just HAND over that liberal crown you're wearing because you DON'T DESERVE IT!

:eyes:

I think I'm finally understanding what another DUer meant when he said some people act like they have the most "hard left street cred." I giggled when I first read that, but I've now met it a couple of times here and it's uuuuuuugly.

So. Anyway.

[GOPisEvil]

1. I cannot STAND that.

Liberalism is not a contest. We all do what we can. If someone sees an area where we can do better, inform gently, don't be an ass about it.

[Bouncy Ball]

2. Yep.

But apparently if it were a contest, I'd lose!

:rofl:

Whatever.

(I'm still getting in trouble for the thumb thing, can you fucking believe that?)

[GOPisEvil]

3. I know...I don't get it at all.

Some people just aren't happy unless they're bitching about something.

Man...ya gotta unclench, ya know. :rofl:

[Bouncy Ball]

5. Unclench. That's my word of the day today.

Thank you. Hey how have you been? Long time no talk to.

I got four hours of sleep last night. Kill me now.

[GOPisEvil]

11. Things are ok. About the same overall.

I got about 6, so I'm vaguely human. :)

[Bouncy Ball]

12. Coffee.

Need coffeeeeeeeeeee.

:donut:

I gave myself some. LOL

[GOPisEvil]

14. I took a walk this morning.

That and some organic HEB cheerios woke me up.

[Bouncy Ball]

18. Wow, sounds great!

[GOPisEvil]

20. I actually walked to my office. I left something there.

I should walk to work more often. It's only 10-12 minutes. :)

[Bouncy Ball]

23. No way.

God, I would LOVE that. Well, except for when it's freaking 100 degrees early in the morning. But part of the year I would love it. You could save on gas!

[GOPisEvil]

26. Put it this way...I left my house at 7:00...and got back at 7:30.

That includes futzing with the security system and walking to and from my cube. I do have to wear shirt and tie 4 days a week, so when it' REALLY humid, I might have to forego walking on those days. Also, walking home when it's 5 billion degrees would suck, too. But I think it might be worth it at least a few times a week.

[Heidi]

4. I know.

Thanks for saying what I've been too frustrated to say nicely. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people more liberal than me (starting with my husband), but I don't see it as a contest, and it makes me a little sad for progressives in general when some among us feel that being downright mean and impolite is somehow a characteristic of liberals. Whenever I see "progressives" behaving like that, I'm reminded of the Mojo Nixon song, "Feelin' Existential."

[Bouncy Ball]

7. It makes me feel slightly embarrassed to be on the same side

with them, politically speaking. I mean, what the HELL? If you vote for Democrats, I don't give a shit WHAT forum you post in or how much election work you do or whatever. I'm just glad you're voting the right way.

[Heidi]

13. I'm so glad you're back, BB.

There aren't enough rational people of _any_ party in the world these days. :pals:

[Bouncy Ball]

19. Hey, how sweet!

Thanks!!! :pals:

[hobbit709]

6. Way back

I dropped out of SDS and worse because of that kind of shit thinking

[Bouncy Ball]

8. Hey hobbit!

You were in SDS? Wow, you must be like, SUPER old! I AM JUST KIDDING!!!! :hug: I kind of wish I had been old enough back then to do that kind of thing.

Hey you live in Austin? Are you new to DU? We have some fantastic Austin area DUers, have you ever been to a meetup?

[WI_DEM]

9. Some people take themselves way too seriously

and like to think they are more pure than anybody else. I'm sure it's the same with freepers and who is the most pure conservative.

[Bouncy Ball]

10. Yep.

When I first discovered DU, I read a post that said "left ugly ain't any prettier than right ugly" and I didn't understand it then.

I do now. :-(

[lpbk2713]

15. From what I have seen ......

In some cases, I don't think it is so much some people's passion for their political philosophy. I think it's just that they're anal retentive.


:eyes:

[In_The_Wind]

16. sounds pretty bad to me

gee ~ Bouncy Ball there are posters here who make me shake my head so I understand ... I think

[CanuckAmok]

17. Phil Ochs said it best:

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
And I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to the civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
And I'm glad that the commies were thrown out
From the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
And I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
As long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Ah, the people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
Now I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Yes, I read New Republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I attend all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
And I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Sure, once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
Ah, but I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

[Bouncy Ball]

21. OMG that's hilarious.

And so is your sig pic, for that matter.

Edited to remove a stupid question you answered in your subject line. Forgive me, too little sleep.

[blondeatlast]

28. Phil Ochs--and he was a rampaging liberal (with a sense of irony

and humor).

[Reverend_Smitty]

39. That's one of my favorite songs

much of it still rings true today...and unfortunately you can find examples of it on this very site :-(

[Rabrrrrrr]

22. Yeah, it's bullshit.

I could rant on and on about it, but I've done that a few times already in the past few weeks.

The "I'm more liberal than you so your voice doesn't count" bullshit.

And also, let us not forget the other great liberal canard: "My pain is greater than yours, so your voice doesn't count."

[Bouncy Ball]

24. Oh God, that one.

Now I have run into that second one in person (I've never run into the first attitude in person--NEVER).

That second one is hard to counter the first time you hear it. As a liberal, you feel for them. But after the first few times, you realize it's mostly an act and it gets pretty old, fast.

Just makes me roll my eyes nowdays.

[Misunderestimator]

25. I'm more liberal than you are, Rabrrrrrr

:P


:bounce:


(Oh, and my pain is greater too.)

[Rabrrrrrr]

27. No, my pain is greater, so you have no right to speak at all.

Only my story has validity.

[Bouncy Ball]

29. As a man, your pain can't possibly be greater than hers.

She wins. Neener neener.

[Misunderestimator]

31. LOL

:thumbsup:

[Rabrrrrrr]

32. But she's a white person, so my native american-ness outweighs her

being a woman.

She can't possibly understand true pain, and so has to shut the fuck up.

[Bouncy Ball]

34. How much native American-ness?

Anything less than 90% doesn't count. Sorry, thanks for playing.

[Old_Fart]

73. That's a load of bunk

I am 50% japanese and the rest is considered a mutt mix. I have at least 20% native american in me and I take that as an insult that I would have to be 90% of anything to claim it.

Saying that someone has to be 90% of anything sounds kind of freeperish to me. You are joking aren't you?

[Misunderestimator]

76. Yes, she's joking.

:hi:

[Old_Fart]

77. Thats good to know

Because the 5% irish and 2% russian was getting upset :silly:

[Bouncy Ball]

79. Usually a lot of joking goes on in the lounge.

I was being VERY tongue-in-cheek.

[Misunderestimator]

36. I have been told by better partial native-americans than you

to shut the fuck up... and it hasn't worked yet... Neeeeeener neener neener......

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

53. but I am gay, female and jewish so I bleed more than both of you heathens!

[Rabrrrrrr]

56. Bullshit! As a partial native-american Christian not-good-at-sports

straight male with a foreign woman as life partner, you can't begin to imagine the bleeding I've done.

The blood that you have bled is as nothing, it is trivial, it is worthless, and your story has no meaning whatsoever, so stop trying to push it on us, and let the people who've truly suffered get their voice out.

As a willing member of the oppressors, I find your story suspect and without meaning.

[Bouncy Ball]

58. Oh my GOD, PLEASE with your bleating and crying!

As a gun-owning flaming liberal who is a seventh-generation Texan and a Unitarian Universalist, straight-but-would-do-Angelina (there isn't even an organization for THAT!), claustrophobic AND acrophobic, was a gay black woman in another life, and hates clothes shopping (again, think of where I live), ***I*** HAVE SUFFERED more than all of you put together.

So there.

(Please note that says "gun-owning," not "gun-toting." I hate that phrase. I don't "tote" them around, they stay put. And I don't pose for pictures with them. And they don't have names. And I don't lovingly caress them at night. In other words, I'm not a gun freakazoid.)

[Misunderestimator]

60. Yeah... well I GREW UP IN TEXAS!

So there! :P

[Bouncy Ball]

61. Yeah well.....

you aren't here anymore! So there!

:-(

[Misunderestimator]

62. Yes, but those were very formative years...

x(

[Bouncy Ball]

64. Yep, me too.

Sigh.

It was surreal, wasn't it? Fortunately I had liberal parents. That's where fortunately stops, though.

:hug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

I bleed a lot every thirty days. Top that asshole!

[Bouncy Ball]

66. Um, I don't think he can top that.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

69. I have my ways

:evilgrin:

[Old_Fart]

96. Are you talking about me?

I bleed for this country back in the early 70's isn't that enough bleeding for a lifetime? Have you been drafted and you "look" just like the enemy?

[Bouncy Ball]

104. Um.

Please take a deep breath. I WASN'T addressing or talking about you, I was talking about Rabrrrrrr. And this whole thread is VERY tongue in cheek, ok?

[Old_Fart]

111. "I don't need to take a deep breath"

I am calm most of the time. I definitely don't get offended very easily either.

Okey dokey ;)

[Rabrrrrrr]

92. If you only could understand how much I bleed emotionally

because I cannot bleed like a woman, you would then allow me my voice and stop oppressing me!

You don't know how awful men have it, not being able to bear children. Our emotional crying is far worse, far more devestation, far more a sign of our oppressed, minority status than any woman.

But, since you're a woman, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[WCGreen]

83. Oiiiii Such pain I have......

[Old_Fart]

113. PMS

Prostate mens syndrome.

"Get me a beer while your up because I am too lazy to get one myself. While you are at it dear change the channel for me"

[Misunderestimator]

30. It's divisive posts like yours that are tearing our party to pieces...

And my pain is greater :P

[Bouncy Ball]

33. And, um, not to pull rank or anything on you here,

but I think MY pain is even greater than YOURS.

1. Where I live.

2. My religion (UU).

3. I'm an oppressed member of the working class and you are the beneficiary of a generous trust fund.

So, you know. I win.

:rofl:

[Misunderestimator]

35. Trust fund! You mean the 40-year old chevy in the backyard?

Yeah, some trust fund... :eyes:

1. You win
2. You win
3. Although you lie... you win

Dammit... :grr:

[Bouncy Ball]

41. Heh heh

yeah just made #3 up.

BUT why didn't you pull out your trump card???

[Misunderestimator]

43. Oh yeah... I'm 1/64th black...

Not really, that's a lie. Though I may be :shrug: :)

[Bouncy Ball]

44. ROFL!

(I read that thread.)

[Misunderestimator]

45. Hehe....

;)

[Bouncy Ball]

46. Psst!

(But are you a lipstick lesbian with short nails?)

And can I just ask this? What the heck IS a lipstick lesbian? One who likes lipstick?

[Misunderestimator]

48. Well....

I have only heard that term used by straight people to describe women they think are too pretty/feminine to be gay... basically, it's a back-handed insult insinuating that gay women aren't usually pretty or feminine. So, IMO, it's a rather odd way for a gay woman to describe herself, unless she has issues with her sexuality. :shrug: But, what do I know?

:)

(on edit... I wear lipstick sometimes ;))

[Bouncy Ball]

49. How odd.

Yeah, I wondered why put a qualifier on it.

I never say things like "I'm a hairdye hetero. But I'd do Angelina."

Ok maybe I say that second part. But not the first.

No wait, in order to be parallel, I'd have to say "I'm a hiking boot hetero. But I'd do Angelina."

[Misunderestimator]

51. Hahahahaha

True... I think there is no comparable term... Maybe a Subaru-driving hetero... or Birkenstock hetero.

[Bouncy Ball]

52. I'm a plaid flannel hetero.

Ok not really, I don't think I own a single piece of plaid flannel.

Ummmm, I'm a....oh nevermind. Hey check your PM, I have something to tell you!

[WCGreen]

84. No that's the rust fund....

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[miss_kitty]

38. i am way left

but I almost never post in the arenas, GD or GD pol. too frustrating and not worth my time. Let me put it this way: I am so comfortable with my life-long, left-leaning status, I feel no need to waste my time trying to convince someone I don't know who just discovered being 'liberal' a few years back on an internet message board just how left I am, or how long I have been focused in the left.
not. worth. my. time.

[Telly Savalas]

40. How do such people know you've been posting in the Lounge?

After all the only place they see your posts is in GD, because they're too busy saving the world to read content in the Lounge.

[Bouncy Ball]

42. Heh.

The lounge comment was from a while back. And that person DOES post in the lounge, so you got me. Makes no sense at all.

[khashka]

47. Doesn't self-righteousness suck?

People like that can kiss my ass. I got death threats for working for gay rights. I got shunned by gay guys for working with lesbians on issues like breast cancer. I got the holy fucking crap beaten out of me while escorting women into an abortion clinic.

I think I've got some left street cred. And I post mainly in the Lounge.

Khash.

[Bouncy Ball]

50. EH?

SHunned by gay guys for working with lesbians on breast cancer????

How incredibly odd. Well, **I** happen to think you are one fantastic guy.

:hug:

[Rabrrrrrr]

54. Personally, I don't think he's liberal enough.

Didn't see anything in his post about being anti-nuclear-power, protecting the rights of the pets, or protesting in DC to keep the Seventh Amendment sacred.

You're either with us, or you're against us.

[Bouncy Ball]

55. Nuclear power, schmuclear power.

Say THAT after five martinis, you!

[khashka]

70. Uh....

Does being pro-solar power work? How about being a member of PETA (although I sometimes wear leather and eat veal)? Seventh? I tend to focus on the First and Fourteenth, but sometimes you have to pick your battles.

Sorry, Rabrrrrr, I guess I'm against us :)

Khash, some freeper dude.

[Bouncy Ball]

71. EAT VEAL?????

YOU EAT VEAL?????

Oh my God. Get off DU post haste.

:D

[Rabrrrrrr]

78. Yeah, I always had a feeling you were a liberal in name only.

Freeper scum trash. You're no different than Hitler!!

[khashka]

57. Yeah

Gay men can be as hateful to women as straight guys. Sometimes more so. Back in the 80's during the worst of the epidemic, before the new drugs, the gals jumped in, took care of the sick and the dieing, got fiercely political, and worked their butts off. All they asked in return was a little reciprocity. They didn't get it.

Men still get taken more seriously than women in our society. They didn't ask much, just that we join our voices to theirs. On women's health issues, on gender equality issues. They didn't get it.

It's still a sore point in certain parts of the LGBT community and a major sore point for me.

Fags aren't able to buy into heterosexual privilege, but we still get male privilege. And it's just as ugly.

Khash.

[Bouncy Ball]

59. Ohhhh, I gotcha now.

Actually that makes sense. No, not that it's right, but now I see where that's coming from. They still enjoy male privilege.

Fortunately I have yet to run into a gay man who is hateful to women. Thank goodness.

[Misunderestimator]

68. I have met some gay men like that...

Of course, there are always plenty more straight men who hate me. :)

I do appreciate your post in pointing out that gay men still do get male privilege. And I'll also say that I, as a white gay woman, get white privilege.

:hi:

[JohnKleeb]

63. Thats obnoxious

I like being liberal nut its not about how liberal or to the left you are, its about how you put your beliefs in to action.

[Bouncy Ball]

65. WELL SAID!!!!

How have you been, my internet son?

:hug:

[JohnKleeb]

67. Me? Ive been all right

People really can I think on all sides politically be obnoxious.

[Old_Fart]

74. Amen brother

Lets put a "volunteer" group together.

[ghostsofgiants]

115. Exactly...but honestly, I don't pay any attention to it

It's very rare for me to post outside of the lounge. I just prefer it here. That, however, should not negate the fact that I'm working on a degree in political science, rant constantly on my own website, use my art as a means of (leftist) political expression and am even in the planning stages of an apparel company that will be 100% sweatshop free as a matter of policy.

But since I post solely in the lounge, I'm clearly not dedicated to leftist politics. :eyes:

[JohnKleeb]

117. Same with me

I got a lot of other interests too like my music, gaming, movies, etc. I post mostly in the lounge too since I am free to be me,

[ghostsofgiants]

118. Dude, you showed up in a dream I had last night...

It was weird as hell. I was sitting here at my desk, you were standing in my doorway and GirlInContempt awas sitting on the edge of my bed. She had this big weird egg in her hands and told me to crack it, so I hit it with my metal toothed comb and some weird blood-like stuff came out. Then she gave it to you because it was your birthday.

My subconscious needs to lay off the drugs.

[JohnKleeb]

119. hah

thats weird shit. I have weird dreams too.

[Old_Fart]

72. Being a liberal isn't about talking about it

A liberal or democrat doesn't have to go around bragging that they are one. They live the lifestyle each and everyday. If one must tell people that they are liberal instead of showing it then they must not be all that liberal.

What's ugly is not seeing people put together food drives or doing outside work that helps the poor. Sure, we can run our mouths and "brag" about being liberal but its not what you talk about its what you do and your actions.

Im an old fart and I know what I am talking about. Actions speak louder than words. Lets get some groups of people together and do outreach to the needy. Then we can "prove" that we are liberal and democratic.

I do volunteer work and I think that we should have a volunteer group.

[Bouncy Ball]

80. A lot of DUers do a lot of "real life" work in addition to

posting here. I do. And I'm not sure, but I think there might be a volunteer forum in the Groups. I'll have to double-check.

:hi:

[Old_Fart]

89. "Let's get some media going on it"

The more we are out their in the "wingers" face doing good deeds out of the kindness of our "hearts and pockets" the better it will be for our party.

:hi:

[caty]

75. Part of being liberal is being

liberal about what being liberal means.

[WCGreen]

85. Argggg.. That's just way too heavy for an afternoon chat...

[merh]

81. Psssst, don't tell anyone.

I shop at Walmart. x(

I also think that the rally cry for "hand counts only" is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. :argh:

But don't tell anyone, they might not believe me about being a liberal. :shrug:

[WCGreen]

82. It's very easy to be a liberal sitting in front of a computer

and posting on a board....

It's quite another to actually go out and put your money where you mouth is....

Not saying a word against anyone who posts on this whole DU structure, but I have run into so many people who just don't get it in the thirty or so odd years I have been involved in getting people elected to office or running for office myself....

Sure I find it objectionable that Hillary or Liberman or anyone else doesn't get "it", what ever it is.....

But to me, I always try to remember that any politician in this country has to appeal to a wide coalition of voters just to get into the game...

I think far too many people didn't really realize, until the Bush 2000 fiasco, that this is not a parliamentarian form of government....

If you loose, no one cares what you think...

Believe me, the guy who beat me for State Senate never called to ask me how I felt about a certain bill.....

With that in mind, realize that in order to build a winning coalition, you have to cobble together people and activists who don't always see eye to eye...

Point, aim for the moon but be prepared to settle for the top off the big tree in your front yard....

That way you will take the small victories and stick around to fight for the larger ones as you go....

Aside, look at how long the anti-Choice people have stuck with the republican party with out any chance of winning for how long. Almost 30 years. And yet here they are, still accepting the tree tops and now, because they stuck to it, are almost ready to capture the moon....

[Old_Fart]

86. I was thinking about the abortion clinic activists

"They" stick in everyones minds because they are out doing what they believe in, like it or not.

We need to get out and start helping people in need and making it known who we are and what party we are affiliated with. If we only put in half of what we talk about than we would be half way to a victory on name recognition.

Democrats, liberals and the green party should be out helping people. Get the word out, try and get some media going (impossible but can be done).

The next election will be ripped off again if it is computerized but if we keep helping people we will win back the whitehouse.

My two cents. Thank you for posting your two cents, it was appreciated and needed.

[WCGreen]

87. What we should do is get everyone on these boards

to run for committee men so that they can have a say in how the paty is run, see how it is organized and get out from behind the computer screen....

I'm here because I have no place left to go, I'm disabled. But I still get out and do my part when I can...

I think I am going to compile a 50 state how when and whee you need to go to get elected to a party office.....

Give me a week or two and I will get that together and keep posting it every day If I have too....

[Old_Fart]

88. I have plenty of time on my hands

Let me know if you need any help.

[WCGreen]

90. Cool..... As soon as I finish up this project I got

going with a few local politicias, I'll get going......

[Bouncy Ball]

91. I'm very active in my county party.

I went from just voting to being a precinct captain (and if I didn't have the awesome precinct chair I did, I'd run for that) and I need to get training to be an election judge and I'm a deputy voter registrar. I go to my county meetings, in fact their website is my home page and I check out what activities I can go to, etc.

Also, writing checks whenever I can is helpful. Signing petitions to get good candidates on the ballot. Holding house parties. Democracy Fest 05 was in Austin recently and it was GREAT!!!

[Old_Fart]

93. "Most of us activists are"

We need to help out in our communities and not earn titles alone. "Helping" is the key to letting people know that we care and what we are all about. It's the little guys heart that we have to touch. Telling him that we are a precinct captains doesn't do anything for "him". Bringing a box of food by or getting LIHEAP or cash to help him out when his utilities are off, is doing something.

[WCGreen]

97. That's the way they did it in the old days.....

[Old_Fart]

98. Today

It's all talk and we leave it up to someone else to walk the walk. It's not being done and that is where our "problems" lie.

[WCGreen]

99. Just look at how well the Christian have been organized

by the likes of Ralph Reed....

they know how to gather power, be patient and then wield it without any compunction.....

[Old_Fart]

100. "How many years have we sat back?"

We have been watching them take over our country for years now. It's time that we organize and step up to the plate and do something. Talking and proving that your more or less of this or that is arrogant and ignorant. Doing something about it is what we have to start doing or we will be years trying to dig out from under the christian rights power.

Can you create a volunteer group for "us".

[WCGreen]

101. I am going to PM you and talk about this more indepth....

Right now I have to take off and Exercise, MD's orders...

On the plus side, she gave me a prescription that says Sleep When Ever You Can....

Best one I ever got....

[Old_Fart]

102. "You sound like me"

:)

[WCGreen]

105. At least your DU name.....

[Old_Fart]

110. I have to take a nap in a few minutes

I got up at 5:00 and I am sleepy. PM me about putting some things together.

[Bouncy Ball]

108. Just go to DU groups and there's a thread about how to

propose a group.

[Bouncy Ball]

107. Can I ask you, then, Old Fart, what you are doing?

I mean besides saying no one's doing anything?

Why do you assume DUers don't do other things in their real life? Plenty of us do. Posting on a message board and taking action to help people in real life are not mutually exclusive things.

[Old_Fart]

114. I never said that "no one" is doing anything about the cause

We need to do more.

I work with groups of vets that are homeless and in need of shelter and resources. When I am not doing that I volunteer rounding up food for families that are barely making it. Until we get a living wage going then we have to help with food drives.

[Bouncy Ball]

116. That's fantastic.

Vets are a group that are near and dear to my heart--I'm married to one.

[Bouncy Ball]

103. Um, well I was addressing the other guy's post about being

active in your party. That doesn't mean I don't help the community. I feel like this is turning into a pissing contest, but I help through my UU church quite a bit, we hold monthly coffee houses (with live music) and all that money goes to the AIDS interfaith network and my family is currently raising money for an organization that has volunteer doctors who perform surgeries on children whose parents can't afford it. Just collecting spare change, my daughter was able to raise the $240 needed to partially fund one child's operation. It took a LONG time, but she did it and we're helping her because she wants to do it again.

Food banks, clothing drives, you name it, we do it. Haven't sold anything out of my garage, ever, because I'd rather give it to charity. In fact, we just gave our five year old chest freezer to a guy who works in the warehouse at my husband's company because his grown daughter and granddaughter have moved in with him and he needed the extra cold storage for food.

But I don't do those things as a Democrat, I do them as a human being.

[Bouncy Ball]

106. Just wanted to add,

funny how the original post of this thread was about how some liberals want to shove it in other people's faces how better-than-thou they are, how much they do, while gently chiding others and taking offense at lots of things and I'm seeing the very thing I described right here in this thread. You got me defending my activity in the party, my charitable deeds, everything.

Congratulations, that was rather clever of you.

And now, since I have nothing to prove, adieu.

[Old_Fart]

112. What are you talking about?

:shrug:

[WCGreen]

94. If I still drank Beer, I would raise one to you now.....

I spent eight long years as the tresurer for the Cuyahoga County Democratic PArty...

That was a big job....

I also did a short stint on the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections...

Eye opener there...

But people need to get out and do....

It's what democracy is all about....

Keep it real brother.......

[Old_Fart]

95. "Have a drink on me brother"

:beer:

We are loosing our party to people that talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

Let me know how I can help and I will.

[WCGreen]

109. I was mainly talking about staying active even if you

loose an election...

I remember when I first ran for office. I was running a very heavily Catholic area of town. It had gone republican largely on account of the Life issues....

So, I went before the local pro choice activist, who, by the way, all lived in an area of town that was very progressive...

I explained to them that I would vote for their agenda, vote against any infringement on reproductive rights but I perhaps said too much when I told them, truthfully, that I would not sponsor any bills.

The reason being is that the people who elected me to represent them deserved the respect of not rubbing the issue in their faces....

Well, I was the only democrat on the whole country ticket that did not get their endorsement......

It probably wouldn't have made too much difference in the long run, but it made an impression on the way I view politics...

Politics can't be my way or the highway....

that's a dictatorship.....

No politics their, Just a struggle for power....

that's the point I am trying to make...

the issue that you champion may not be that important to others. And you have to learn to live with that if you are going to build a successful coalition....