Ok Zeppelin fans--do you realize Whole Lotta Love is a rip off?

[Zuni]

It is ripped, riff and much of the lyrics and melody, off of Muddy Waters' 1962 single "You Need Love" written by Willie Dixon. No credit or royalties to either Dixon or Muddy Waters either.

Lemon Song is melange of various blues rip-offs, stealing lyrics from Robert Johnson's 1938 "Travelling Riverside Blues"---"you squeeze my lemon till the juice runs down my leg" or the riff from Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" during the fast break.

How Many More Times is another rip off song, with parts ripped from various Blues Artists, including Howlin' Wolf and Albert king

At least when they did "You Shook Me" (Muddy Waters) and "I can't Quit You baby" (Otis Rush) they at least admitted they were doing covers.
Most bands, from The Paul Butterfield Band to the Yardbirds to Cream gave credit to the original artists when they did covers, but Zeppelin ripped songs left and right, including some of their biggest hits, and didn't give the old guys credit.

[CBGLuthier]

1. You know what they say

Good artists borrow. Great artists steal.

:-)

[Zuni]

7. true

but these are really blatant. In the case of Whole Lotta Love, Willie Dixon should have been credited and recieved royalties

[johnnie]

2. I mentioned this once on here

:popcorn:

[Zuni]

4. I am at work....bored

:popcorn:

just want to see how long it takes for me to be demonized

[Richardo]

3. That Muddy Waters song is on one of the 'Mojo' magazine collection CDs

"The Roots of Zeppelin"

I had never heard it before, but it rocks seriously. :yourock:

Loves me the Muddy Waters.

[Zuni]

6. It does seriously rock

thanks Richardo

If you like Muddy, get the Chess Records 50th Anniversary collection of his, in 2 volumes---1948-1955, 1956-1964. The song in question is on 1956-1964.

(but I personally like the 1948-55 collection better---it has some of my faves--Trouble No More, Still a Fool, Rollin and Tumblin, Can't Be Satisfied, Baby please Don't Go"

[Richardo]

9. That is on my list as of now - thanx for the recommendation, Zuni

:thumbsup:

[LoZoccolo]

5. Oasis never ripped off songs as much as that.

The only one I can think of is the riff to "Cigarettes and Alcohol".

[benburch]

8. I like Candye Kane's version

http://www.candyekane.com <--- She's my friend! Buy her CDs!

[mcscajun]

11. Wow! Somebody else on here knows Candy Kane's music.

I saw her perform at a Cajun/Bluegress festival in Rhode Island about 10 or so years ago. She rocks; AND she's funny!

[benburch]

12. Check her tour schedule!

She plays ALL over the planet!

[jandrok]

21. Hey! Candye Kane is great!

I've been a big fan for years! She's a true original. Love her!

[benburch]

31. You should meet her in person!

I love her.

[jandrok]

34. I would bet that she's a lot of fun in person.

She seems pretty down to earth and unpretentous. I have to think that she would be a barrel of laughs. Doesn't hurt that she's still a doll. She's one big rockin' babe for sure!

[benburch]

54. My sort of woman!

The sort that you aren't gonna break in half with a decent hug!

[jandrok]

55. I'm with ya on that.

She's a beautiful woman all the way around.

[mcscajun]

61. Bravo! You have a great attitude.

:) :applause: from big women everywhere. :)

[benburch]

68. Candye Kane is now a DU-er!

Username candyekane

Be nice to her!

[mcscajun]

70. Woo-hoo! Of course I'm gonna be nice to her.

I couldn't be anything else. She's too cool.

:)

[RagingInMiami]

57. I've never heard of her until now

But I checked out her website and she is playing down here in October. Hopefully, I will remember and go check her out.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

72. I've worked with her in the past

[Beware the Beast Man]

10. I dig Zeppelin, but they get WAY too much credit

as "pioneers" of some sort.

[asthmaticeog]

13. I disagree, but I'll qualify that...

At first, yes, they were a run of the mill psych-blues band that was practically strangling on homage (my roommate got that DVD set, and I can not STAND the early blues-and-only-blues stuff on it, it bores me half to tears), but they got out from under it and started incorporating ideas from celtic folk and other world musics that had never been explored in a rock context. And they they left a wake of crushed balls while doing it. I used to hate 'em, as when I was in HS, they were the band of choice of the older brothers of the guys that beat me up, but in later years when I really gave 'em a fair listen, a lot of their ideas impressed the shit out of me. The wizards-and-swords shit I can live without, but they *were* pioneers.

[Magrittes Pipe]

14. Yes. They pioneered the wizards-and-swords shit.

Paving the way for Ritchie Blackmore, and eventually King Diamond. :headbang:

[asthmaticeog]

15. Ahem, Uriah Heep?

[Magrittes Pipe]

16. Ew.

:(

[JimmyJazz]

25. Double ew.

:(

[Zuni]

20. what a legacy

throw in Dio and you can see the roots of all that is evil in the world

[rppper]

65. wizards and swords shit....one word...DIO!!!!!!

yes, some did it before him, but ronnie james dio perfected it...hell, it was Dio that was the voice and the writer behind Blackmores guitar...robert plant could have never pulled off "man on the silver mountain"

[Beware the Beast Man]

17. Feh. Nothing but a bunch of glorified home recordings.

Just kidding. I agree. I'm just being iconoclastic today.

[asthmaticeog]

24. Well fuck, if I caught that you were trolling,

I would have just posted "FUCK YOU, ZEP ROXXXXX!!!11!"

Waste my goddamn time...

[Zuni]

26. but

it is all too much to bear :cry:

[Zuni]

19. I agree

their celtic folk stuff is somewhat innovative.

But stuff like Kashmir is only picking up where George Harrison left off

and in terms of inventing Hard Rock---no, the Kinks and the Stones and the Animals long before Zeppelin (although rumor has it that page played on some of the Kinks stuff as a session man)

And metal---that was Sabbath, but I'd like to give a shout out to Peter Green and the original Fleetwood Mac for the "green Manalishi" which is VERY dark and metally

[SouthoftheBorderPaul]

22. Man, the wizards and swords shit

is where it's at! Gimme The Battle of Evermore, my forest green frock, a sack full of 20-sided dice and a diet coke and my Saturday is set. Huzzah!

[Zuni]

23. nerd!

seriously though, are you coming for the D and D tournament? This time it is your turn to buy the pepsi and snack cakes

:evilgrin:

[SouthoftheBorderPaul]

27. If by Pepsi and snack cakes you mean

a yard of ale and some latissimus bread then yes, brave Zuni, I shall be in attendance.

[Zuni]

28. the I shall see ye at the great D and D fortress

(my parent's basement)
I wonder if any girls will show up this time?

[SouthoftheBorderPaul]

29. Does my mom count?

I need her there in case I tear the hem in my cape.

[kick-ass-bob]

18. Huh. I thought this was another Oasis thread.

:shrug:

[LynneSin]

30. Um, yes, it says so on the Album, I could read them off to you

I mean, you didn't need to tell me, I could look at the Album and see which songs came from Willie Dixon or a variety of other blues performaners.

I have original copies of all of the Led Zeppelin vinyls and I knew that most of their earlier works were some sort of cover mainly off of Willie Dixon.

Ho-hum, tell me something we don't know about Led Zeppelin. Next thing you know you'll tell us about the Mud Shark incident like it's brand new information

[Zuni]

Hmmmm

They credited Willie Dixon with Whole Lotta Love? NO. At www.ledzeppelin.com the track is credited to Bonham/Jones/Page/Plant Did they credit Robert Johnson or Chester Burnett (Howlin' Wolf) for the Lemon Song? How about about Albert king for the parts of how many More times they took from his song "the Hunter"

Nice try lynne

[LynneSin]

35. Like I said - the vinyl has it - just read Led Zeppelin I

and back in that time this was not unheard of with pulling music from other performers.

Get over it. Led Zeppelin is legendary. What, you some sort of American Idol fan?

Nice Try Zuni

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

37. Too bad Dixon died before he could enjoy the money made off of his songs

credits or not

[Zuni]

39. Whole Lotta Love is not on Zep I

that song is the rip off.

They do "You Shook Me", a Muddy Waters song written by Willie Dixon on Zep I

No, I am a huge fan of Blues, and blues rock.

I just don't like rip off artists

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

41. I don't mind the use of a song - but PAY the man who payed HIS dues

ya know?

[Zuni]

43. you speak the truth

Willie Dixon or his family could have made a fortune off of all the stuff that people ripped off of him

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

46. And his great grandchildren. Instead Robert Plant gets to release album

after album of masturbatory "zen" influenced pablum. Yay!


I still love the Zep tho!

[Zuni]

49. man to think what some of the old blues guys could have done

if prissy british rockers only gave them their rightful credit

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

52. Clapton, The Stones, John Mayall.....um...every damn Brit 'cept Syd Barret

[Zuni]

56. but they usually admitted they were covering the songs

for example, the Stones didn't do "I'm a King Bee" or Chuck berry's "carol" and say it was their own. the worst rip off they ever did was Satanic Majesties and then they were ripping off the Beatles. Cream didn't do Crossroads and Spoonful and say they were their own. When Clapton was with the Yardbirds, they didn't steal Smokestack lightning, they covered it. John Mayall didn't do "Dust My Broom" without properly crediting Robert johnson and Elmore James

Led Zeppelin stole "Whole Lotta Love" from "You Need Love" without crediting either Willie Dixon or McKinley Morganfield (Muddy)

[tigereye]

59. ah

Syd. Sigh.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

32. Ah - but In the Light is pure Zepp, baby!

[Zuni]

33. I'm sure it is

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

36. I always lean to the John Paul Jonesish songs

[Zuni]

38. He is a bad ass bass player

One of the best of his era, in my bass playing opinion.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

40. And an even better pianist/ keyboardist/ melotronist/ strings-arranger guy

[Beware the Beast Man]

42. Not to mention, they were pervs who violated a poor woman with a

mudshark. That is just sick.

[Zuni]

44. Jimmy Page messed around with a lot of girls under 18 too

I think he was real close with a 14 yr old groupie

[Beware the Beast Man]

45. Weren't they devil-worshippers, too?

:wow:

[Zuni]

47. Page was into some weird shit

He lived in a mansion that Aliester crowley (a satanist) once lived in.

I read in a Zeppelin biography he was real into Black magic

[tigereye]

60. actually Z.

Crowley was a lot more complex that that. Read some stuff by him if you haven't.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

51. In Plant's case - yes. The Buddha is the Devil

Or something.......

[Magrittes Pipe]

48. Just like that OTHER freeper, Ted Nugent.

[Zuni]

50. I wonder if Nugent ever partied with them

[cassandra uprising]

53. It's a sad refrain

played out too often in popular music. It's a damn shame and happens a lot more then people realize.

[MrScorpio]

58. Why are you dissin my Zep?

Blues musicians didn't:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000K1KS/002-3792888-7249624?v=glance

http://www.compendialicensing.com/product/default.asp?cdupccode=15095+9618+2

[NeoTraitors]

62. Thanks to the person who mentioned

Fleetwood Mac. (and Peter Green) When people talk about the roots of metal they are never included. However the heavy blues they recorded with Green in the band is, IMO, much heavier than Sab, Zep, or Purple.

[Zuni]

64. Man, I thought that you were talking about me

because peter Green is one of my all time favorites. he is personal all time favorite guitarist. I thought I might have mentioned him. I assume you are talking about the neo-metalish "Green Manalishi"---I concur

I have a whole bunch of early Fleetwood Mac and recently got the expanded version of John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers "A Hard Road" that has EVERYTHING Peter Green ever recorded with them. I even have Peter green's newer recordings, post-mental illness, with the Splinter Group doing Robert Johnson.

I could talk about Peter Green all night. Phenomenol guitarist, great bandleader, great singer and one of the best harmonica players I have ever heard.

[Chicago Democrat]

63. Absolutely true...

They were still great, if not original. Too bad the originals were treated so badly. But if they weren't treated badly maybe they wouldn't have been so great? All those songs are about sorrow and desire.

[Zuni]

66. perhaps

but many of the greats of that time had lifetimes of poverty and bad luck to draw on for inspiration, even if they did get $$$ in the end, after their genius was recognized

[jpgray]

67. Page also stole the opening to Stairway to Heaven from Spirit

The song "Taurus" opens note for note like Stairway. Zep had opened for Spirit in the US, and Page took quite an interest in the song. The rest is totally different, but that opening is ripped off comepletely.

[chaska]

69. Sometimes I wonder about "Stairway". Anecdote below....

I was surprised to learn that a song called "Merriam", which is very similar to "Stairway", by my friend Spencer Kirkpatrick (one of the great undiscovered guitarist of "the rock era") and his 1970s Capricorn records band 'Hydra' was actually written BEFORE "Stairway".

Hydra was a great, great 70's rock band. They put out 3 records. Find them and you won't be disappointed.

[entanglement]

71. I can't believe it

/shaking head in disbelief
:-(

[leftofthedial]

73. genius is the art of knowing what to steal

it is impossible to "Steal" the blues, which is all stolen from other blues.

there are only three or four basic blues motifs.

not giving credit is bogus though.