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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:14 PM
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Physics question? Man we're going to start a flame war today.
This not a trick question.

A person walks at the rate of three miles an hour for one mile. then walks at the rate of four miles an hr. for one mile. What was the average speed?

A lot of people get this wrong. I've have asked Physics PhD.s who have faultered on it.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:15 PM
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1. Flapjacks.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:16 PM
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2. Splunge?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:16 PM
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3. 3.5mph
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:18 PM
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8. actually it's less than 3.5 mph.
20 minutes going 3 mph, 15 min going 4.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:23 PM
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15. I just swagged it !
:)
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:17 PM
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4. 3.5 flapjacks and spunge per hour
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:17 PM
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5. Wrong answer, but...
Edited on Thu May-12-05 01:17 PM by terrya
1 mile an hour.

Ok, I don't have the slightest fucking idea
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:18 PM
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6. 3.42 mph
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:19 PM
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9. Whipping out my calculator...
I'll have to agree with this person
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:20 PM
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11. here is how...
1 mi at 3mph took 20 mins

1 mi at 4mph took 15 mins

2 mi in 35 mins = 3.42 mph
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:18 PM
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7. 17.5 minutes per mile.
Edited on Thu May-12-05 01:19 PM by KitchenWitch
or 3.43 mph (approximately)
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:19 PM
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10. I'll give it a try.
It depends on what you mean by average speed.

I would say he walked 1 mile in 15 minutes and another mile in 20 minutes. So 2 miles in 35 minutes which reduces to 3.428 miles/hr.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:21 PM
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12. Let's see,
He walks three mph for one mile, which would be 20 minutes. Four mph for one mile would be 15 minutes. So he walked 2 miles in 35 minutes for an average speed of (um, gets out calculator) 3.4 mph? Is that right?
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:22 PM
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13. Here we go:
when we talk about average speed, we're talking about the average over time, so we need to find out how long they walked at each speed, and then weight each part accordingly. Alternatively, we can find the total distance walked, and divide by the total time walked, which will do the same thing.

3mph for 1 mile = 20 mins
4mph for 1 mile - 15 mins

total time = 35 mins = 7/12 hours

total distance 2 miles

average speed = 2 miles /(7/12 hours) = 24/7 miles/hour = 3 3/7 mph

Which is less than the most likely wrong answer of 3 1/2 mph because the person spends more time walking at 3 mph than at 4 mph.

There was once a question like this on Click and Clack, so you don't need to be a physicist to figure it out, but it does help :)
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:22 PM
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14. 3.43 mph (after rounding up)
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:24 PM
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16. better question
Edited on Thu May-12-05 01:24 PM by dwickham
why isn't he driving?
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:25 PM
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17. Yay! It is 3 3/7 MPH!
Why? Because velocities do not average with respect to distance but time.

Oh shit I didn't realize this. 1/7 = .142857142857~

So does 7 X 142857~ 1? No!
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:42 PM
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24. Well...
Edited on Thu May-12-05 01:43 PM by Balbus
.142857142857~ * 7 = .999999999~
& 1/7 * 7 = 7/7

therefore .9999999999~ = 7/7
& 7/7 = 1
ergo .999999999999~ = 1

:P (couldn't resist)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:28 PM
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18. I could be wrong, however...
don't most physics people get their panties in a bunch over the use of "speed" instead of "velocity"?
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:34 PM
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20. I had intentionally used the word speed instead of velocity. Since
I did not want to confuse anyone. Now I could have said "a person walks at a velocity of 3 MPH for one mile and an additional mile in the same direction at 4 MPH. What is the average velocity.

Or a person walks at a velocity of 3 MPH for one mile and an additional mile in the reverse direction at 4 MPH what is the average velocity? That equals zero.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:37 PM
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23. now that second question would trap many people
who don't understand the difference between speed and velocity.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:36 PM
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22. not as long as it doesn't matter
In this problem, the person walks uniformly in one direction, so we only really care about the scalar speed.

Only if directions are changing do we need to worry about the vector velocity.

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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:32 PM
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19. my solution
t1 = d1 / v1 = 1/3 hr

t2 = d2 / v2 = 1/4 hr

v(ave) = (d1 + d2) / (t1 + t2) = (1 + 1) / (1/3 + 1/4)

v(ave) = 2 / (7/12) = 24/7 = 3 3/7 mi/hr

Barring any stupid arithmetic error, what's so hard about that?



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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:35 PM
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21. LOL.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:46 PM
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25. Approx. 3.42857 n/t
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:48 PM
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28. Approximately? LOL!
Good one!
The Professor
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:47 PM
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26. Here goes
35 minutes = .5834 or 58.34% of one hour
2 miles divided by .5834 = 3.4281796 mph
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:48 PM
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27. that would be 2 miles in 35 minutes...
Edited on Thu May-12-05 01:53 PM by mike_c
...3.429 miles per hour.

1 mile @ 3 mph = 1 mile in 20 min.

1 mile @ 4 mph = 1 mile in 15 min.

Disclaimer: I'm a biologist..., and before editing this post proved that I cannot ADD!
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:50 PM
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29. 35 minutes, not 25.
A third of an hour, then a quarter of an hour. The rest of your math I can't check at the moment.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:52 PM
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31. yep-- I realized I couldn't add just as I hit "Post..."
Fixed now.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:52 PM
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32. I'd say your a biologist
20 + 15 = 35, not 25

:-)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:54 PM
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33. 25, 35-- it's all within the range of expected variation....
LOL, and with a very red face....
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:56 PM
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38. This engineer would have allowed you a 10% error
but that's a 40% error!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:50 PM
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30. 3.448 mph
approximately.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:54 PM
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34. Ooh, that was easy - now, do one with velocity, in polar coordinates!
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:56 PM
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37. I'll see if I can do that.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:54 PM
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35. I make it 24/7 mph
or 3.429 in decimal to 4 sig figs. Is that right?
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:55 PM
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36. How many significant digits do you want?
Gotta love sig figs.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:57 PM
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39. 3.4483 miles per hour . NT
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