DU Men, have you been manipulated with sex? Hope awaits!

[Loonman]

http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_100/103_dating_advice.html


(Hallelujah Chorus plays in background)

[judge_smales]

1. That happens to people?

What a shame.

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. isn't that the way its supposed to work?

I mean, women are supposed to get stuff from guys in exchange for sex.

I don't mean money...as in cash.

But they at least expect to be treated nice and taken out.

Damn if women don't have such a sweet deal working. I'd give my testicles to be a woman.

:)

[judge_smales]

3. Sure hope tis is a joke.

n/m

[patdem]

10. Honey giving your testicles to be a woman is called a sex change

operation...and they happen all the time...so put your money where your testies are???

[Clete]

32. Yes, maybe before we had the vote,

but my gosh do guys still think this way? No wonder there is so much divorce.

[Loonman]

4. It is kind of a joke

But it is kinda true.

Women shake their butts and men lose their minds.


Pure power politics, and they know it, too.

[bamademo]

5. Wow...Has that guy got issues or what?

Maybe it was really written by Rush.

[E_Zapata]

6. It's basic nature - enjoy it

There's a reason flowers are so inviting to the little bees.

and the bees just love it!

[MissMillie]

7. If all your looking for is sex....

... then yes, you'll be manipulated.

If you're looking for something more, and you still let a woman treat you this way, then SHAME ON YOU.

[trof]

18. Manipulate me once, shame on you.

Manipulate me...uh...again...uh...you shouldn't manipulate...um...people can't...ah...don't..
I know they have this saying somewhere that...um...
I forget.

[Nikia]

8. True for some people

I have seen some relationships in which one person clearly did everything to appeases the other one. I think that it can be true of both men and women and I don't think that sex is the only issue.

[piece sine]

9. tell me hot looking guys don't work their looks!!!

It's totally unrelated to gender!

[Loonman]

11. That is true

I was at a party being berated by a girl for my shallow maleness, and she took a booty call on her cell phone. So I said "After all you just said?", she says, "he's hot!".

Go figure.....

[Kamika]

12. this thread is priceless

jesusH

[Speck Tater]

13. I honestly thought I was the only man who realized this.

Men are so adept at asying the politcally correct thing when a woman is present that women are left with the mistaken impression of what men really think and believe.

The fact is there is an important difference between a wife and a prostitue. A prostitute only expects to be paid once.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. So are you calling wives WHORES?

how sweet that I can come to a so-called progressive site and read the same things I would read on a site of the exact opposite persuasion.

I guess when men say "MEN'S RIGHTS"..they mean the right to continue to objectify women.

[Kat45]

14. I don't get that at all!

I'm a woman, and I just about always wants sex! LOL One of the reasons my most recent relationship went south was because of HIS lack of libido! When I hear about men griping about their wives/gfs not wanting sex, etc., I say, shit, then I must be a really good catch. But I never have all these guys lining up to go out with me; they're all too busy being totally hung up on the women who do the shit that guy is mentioning. I tend to think that men go for the bullshit because they can't handle the truth.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Total sexist bullshit

Whether or not men know it (or want to admit it), women are in complete control of the sexual arena. They know that a woman's physical appearance is an irresistible drug to men. They know that lust can temporarily stun a man's ability to reason. They know men want sex and will do anything -- even act contrary to their inherent masculine natures -- to get it.

Since when are women responsible for MALE IMPULSE? Are men responsible for female impulses?

They know they can turn even the most macho he-man into a begging puppy dog just by a secret, throaty whisper in the ear. They know they can manipulate a man into spending thousands of dollars on them with the bat of an eyelash or the tip of the tongue flitting out between the lips. They know that they can get away with behavior that society would never tolerate in men.

Yes, and women repeatedly WALK on rape charges and a female governor just got elected to the highest office in California after admitting she groped men who objected.

This is an awesome power, and women are experts at wielding it. Sex should be an intimate bond between two equal partners, but for women it is first and foremost a tool. They addict men to their sexuality and then withdraw it to keep them panting for more. They dangle sex in front of men like a carrot on a stick, knowing full well that they can get men to do anything they want them to do.

They are masters at sexual manipulation…

Ah the female as wicked evil temptress.

Really anyone who BUYS any of this stereotypical crap as though it is real really outght to go fuck themselves. They don't deserve another human being as a sex partner.

[Elidor]

16. I agree - this is some amazing misogynist bullshit

If I make sacrifices for my loved one, it's because I enjoy pampering and even spoiling her, not because I'm being manipulated. The jerk who wrote this article equates symptoms of love with weakness.

In other words, it was written by a republican.

Exhibit A:
"2- Stop paying for her

Financing her social life only enables her abuse of her sexual power -- it keeps on proving to her that she can exploit you and get away with using her feminine guile."

Sounds like the Vulgar Pigboy himself.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. Sadly one can no longer tell if it is written by a Repub or a Dem

It is really a shame that men have decided to play victim rather than investigate their own behaviors and compulsions. If a man buys women things with the ulterior motive of getting laid rather than simply giving then maybe the issues are with him not her.

[Elidor]

22. No, you CAN tell it's a repub

They're very concerned about appearing weak. They hate that. They also like to project their own worst motives and thoughts onto everyone else, figuring that, for instance, if THEY had the power to manipulate people sexually they certainly would, therefore women MUST be doing exactly that. The mindset here is laid wide open for all to see. This is not a mere conservative, but a neocon.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. Here, let's rewrite this and see how the men like it

Whether or not women know it (or want to admit it), men are in complete control of the sexual arena. They know that a man is a predator who will stop at nothing to get laid. They know that brute force against the back of the head can temporarily stun a woman's ability to reason. They know women want to be dominated by co-dependent mule and will do anything -- even act contrary to their inherent feminine natures -- to get it.


They know they can turn even the most feminist SHE-woman into a begging puppy dog just by a secret, grip of her neck. They know they can manipulate a woman into spending thousands hours washing their skid marked underwear simply by getting her pregnant five times and making her financially dependent for her well being and the well being of her children on them. They know that they can get away with behavior that society would never tolerate in women.

This is an awesome power, and men are experts at wielding it. Sex should be an intimate bond between two equal partners, but for men it is first and foremost an impulse that women should submit to . They addict women to their stability and then withdraw it to keep them desperately dependent. They dangle a roof over their heads and grocery money in front of women like a carrot on a stick, knowing full well that they can get women to do anything they want them to do.

They are masters at circumstantial manipulation and domination…
OK fellas...HOW DO YOU LIKE IT????

[Elidor]

30. Actually,

I CAN turn my lady-love into a begging puppy dog just by a secret grip of her neck - but what she begs for is a full-body massage. Whew! That takes a lot of time and energy. I've learned to be careful about using my hands...they get me into things I don't always intend.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. That's cause you are a sweetheart and not a sexist asshole

:D

[Elidor]

35. Awwww, gee, you're making me blush

*Thank you*
:hug:

[salin]

19. oh gee

what a surprise - another male - blame everything on devilish women because all problems stem from female manipulation conversation.

go figure.

All of the 'we nice guys never get the dates', and the 'only real jerks get the girls' excuses for men all wrapped into its reverse (but similar theme) of the evil woman.

Big hint.

If you view women that you date this way - you will be more likely to feel you are treated this way (its called self-fulfilling prophecy) because you will see yourself bending over backward being nice (while actually giving snide statements that give your suspeicions away and sound real jerky to most women)... and then when she doesn't want to be close after the date, or doesn't respond to overtures to another date.. voila it is due to her manipulative ways. :eyes:

And to the jerk above who refers to wives as prostitutes (but wanting pay more than once) - what a sick view of relationships.

[LadeJarl]

21. Care to enlighten us stupid men on...

how to be politically correct in the presence of a woman?

I'm not asking this in an insulting way, but I actually read the website and can only say I recognize a lot of my married or in-relationship male friends in it or at least what they complain about. I've had one relationship that was the same, but I bailed out of it because it was not working for me. I've had several realtionships that have not been that way too.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. Perhaps it is that your male friends speak of their mates with the same

stereotypes. Care to enlighten us on WHAT specifically was the same?

[salin]

24. It is called

dysfunctional relationships - generally that two people feed into. It is not a blanket statement about all women or all men. It is not about being distrustful and expecting all sorts of devious behaviors from one's potential partner/spouse. It is about building a solid relationship with healthy dynamics - and figuring out quickly with whom one can not build those kind of dynamics. Some personalities just feed on aspects of the other. But again that has to do with the chemistry and dynamics of those particular two people.

But, when it is ALWAYS due to manipulative women - then there is a problem. Why? Because by dejecting ANY responsibility one can never figure what role one plays in they dynamics. And one will keep repeating it. Being reflective, both partners recognizing the role they play in making the dynamics work - or fail - leads to a healthier relationships sans the games and blame and belief when it doesn't work that it is always due to devious, manipulative women, nor that it is because all men are dogs.

[salin]

25. and another thing

why do you guys get to be insulting of women and its cool. But if I am insulting back it is being "politically correct"? Doesn't free speech go both ways. Folks are free to say things that make them look like assholes, and other people are free to tell them that what they said made them look like an asshole. Or do only the assholes get free speech? The new perverse "protect the assholes" form of political correctness is just... warped. Folks try to hide behind it - and FORCE behavior on others (eg SHUT UP and LET ME BE ME ) - as much as the original PC movement tried to force behavior on others. Ironic, eh.

[LadeJarl]

33. Why don't you really tell me how you..

feel?

Care to point out were I insulted you?

The point is that when men read that website, a big percentage of them will recognize themselves in it. It doesn't matter how much fire you breath over what's on the site, it still holds a large portion of truth to it, whether you like it or not. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

[salin]

37. right.

"it still holds a large portion of truth to it."

right.

Well, it does explain why this is likely to recur. Self-fulfilling prophecies - when we treat others based on false preceptions of what we think are their motivations, we behave in ways that precipitate specific behaviors (almost by definition - you treat a woman with great skepticism and in an almost adversarial way... she won't warm up to you and she may... not respond when you call...), and then we read that behavior as "proof" of the reality - when in actuality we often have created that reality and the read on the situation is highly inaccurate. But by placing the blame elsewhere, and failing to recognize that dynamics between two people are... dynamic (eg always changing in an action/reaction/ interactive way where one response shapes the other persons response and so on.) - we are unable to see the role that our own behavior played into that dynamic and are condemned to continue doing the same thing - and blindly interpreting it as 'manipulative woman'. The same is true for women who consider all men "dogs" and act accordingly - and in ways that sometimes brings out the utter worst behavior in others - and that behavior "proves" that men are dogs... lather, rinse, repeat.

[Clete]

34. I used to be a bartender and

I would watch the pickup scene enfolding before me. Men are never very subtle to begin with, but some try to be charming without being pushy. Those were the guys who actually got a real phone number. A overwhelming majority though would drink too much with their buddies while ignoring the women around and then after getting drunk would try to pickup the women in the most boorish ways possible while slurring words and dribbling drinks on them.

Then when rebuffed, would call then all kinds of nasty names. At closing time they would be almost in tears asking me why no women liked them. Of course you can't explain to someone, who has had too much to drink, that is is possibly the reason, not to mention his cultural conditioning to regard most women as an inferior species to himself.

[geniph]

27. Anytime you generalize about people

and try to extend that generalization to individuals, you're going to be wrong. There are always people - even the majority - who don't fit the stereotypes. With shit like this, I can only shake my head and laugh. I've pursued guys for sex using material things and other rewards. I've had guys pursue me for sex using material things and other rewards. Sometimes had both circumstances with the same guys.

I can't think of any of my relationships where my partner made more money or had more "stuff" than I made or had, though - I've always been extremely independent, so have never expected or really received "payment" for sex. The "payment" I expect is respect and sometimes love. I expect to reap what I sow.

All generalizations are false - including this one.

Oh, and there's plenty of women out there who would do anything for some guys if they just touched the tip of their tongue to their eyebrows.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. I could give a shit if they can touch their EYEBROWS with it

all that does is get their eyebrows off

[Clete]

29. ROFLMAO

Can so many penis units be so deluded about their importance in a woman's sphere? Sure we need you around for pro-creation, however, this is the only time you guys are an absolute necessity. Other than that, we appreciate it when you are around to help raise the kids and maybe unclog a drain.

We don't mind having your company for dinner and a movie, as long as you respect us. I personally have never needed anyone to pay for such an evening, but since you guys still do make more money than we do, we appreciate it when you treat us more often than we treat you.

Other than that we don't need you as much as you think.

[LadeJarl]

36. Me too...

I don't need a woman around for anything.

I'm far more happy single since:
- I don't have to go on endless shopping trips
- I don't have to vacuum the house even if it is unecessary
- I don't have to explain why i want to spend a night with my pals playing poker and drinking beer
- I don't have to fear beeing hit with her handbag when looking at other females
- I have a much larger portion of my paycheck to spend on myself
- I can buy the car I want.
- I can see whatever I want on TV
- I don't have to suffer throug 'sleepless in Seattle' when 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' is soo much cooler.
- I don't have to go on an archelogical dig thing to find my razor in the bathroom
- I can eat a burger whenver I want rather than the tasteless salad she tries to feed me with.
- I can play Golf every weekend without feeling guilt.
- I can watch Monday Night Football without interruption
- I don't have to sit through endless hours of chit-chatting about nothing with her and her relatives

Oh and my 5 fingers never get a headache! :evilgrin:

[Clete]

38. With your attitude you are doing a lot of women

a favor by staying single and dating your right hand because I don't think you will ever get it.

[LadeJarl]

39. Sigh!

Some never get satire and humor...

I guess it's too much to ask sometimes...
Sorry if you took it literally, just goes to show that some feminists are just too deep into their own whatever...

[Clete]

40. If that was satire, great.

You need to work a bit with the irony though.

[LadeJarl]

41. I responded to

your own writings, which were not particularly postivie towards men. Sorry if I stepped on a sore toe.

And I really don't like housework either, me and my room-mates ahve a maid to take care of the house.

[david_vincent]

42. Uh, no...

A woman who wants to have a child, can't find a man to be her partner in the venture, and is averse to using/exploiting a man, can do the honorable thing and go to a sperm bank. Or, as an alternative, she can make an explicit, straightforward pact with a man to donate his sperm. Isn't that what Jodie Foster did? Women don't *need* a man to procreate, and it's when they use a man for this purpose that so much misery and grief is caused.
I was in a store several months ago and overheard two kids, about 7 and 9, tell their mom that daddy didn't really want them. The mother was taken aback. "That's not true, honey," she told them. One of the kids just nodded sagely to her mommy. "Yes it is," she said somberly. The poor mom clearly didn't know what to do, but my heart went out to those poor kids, who were too young to have learned the truth.
Procreation, anyone?