This guy told me Heavy Metal died the day Led Zeppelin put out Presence

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

I was at my local coffee shop and this dude who I run into just started talking my fucking ear off (as he always does) when he dropped this gem on me.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. One of their best albums...

The dude doesn't know shit...:thumbsdown:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

3. Plus Iron Maiden hadn't even put out Number of the Beast

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. Zeppelin is Heavy Metal??

That's news to me! And here I was thinking it started with bands like Sabbath.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

4. you too?

[Wickerman]

5. How did you tell him he was wrong?

I think one coudl take an arbitrary line (guess that is a good enough milestone) and say that heavy metal matured into something different than what it was when first introduced/recognized as HM.

[ret5hd]

6. off topic, but...glad to see you again (nt)

[CrownPrinceBandar]

7. Shoulda thrown coffee on him...................

and started shrieking "Achillies' Last Stand" at the top of your lungs.

:shrug:

[noise626]

8. Nope Nope Nope

Presence was brillant...but Led Zep really wasn't heavy Metal.

That being sad, Metal did take a few hard kicks to the balls when the following happened:

1. Cliff Burton died
2. Celtic Frost became a pop hair metal rock band that one time
3. Rob Halford left Priest
4. Dimebag :(

But, like a fungus that won't go away...Metal survives :)

to wit: Judas Priest Angel of Retribution :)

pax
ant

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Zeppelin was NEVER Heavy Metal

Geezus, everything on their first album was either straight blues or folky acoustic stuff, and that's pretty much the formula the first 5 albums were built on, with slight variations.

I love Zeppelin for what they were, but lets not perpetuate this false label. Sabbath was metal. Zeppelin never was.

[Guaranteed]

11. That's right. They were Hard Rock- sometimes.

:)

[Zuni]

12. Zeppelin was not 'straight' blues---they were Blues Rock on I and II

they had some blues based songs and jams, like Cream but were never a blues band.
If you want real blues, check out some Howlin' Wolf (Led Zep pays tribute to him in the Lemon Song by doing the riff of his song (sped up)Killing Floor during the jam)

[LynneSin]

16. blues infused Hard Rock is how I would call Led Zeppelin

They are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too mellow to be considered Heavy Metal. I'm not putting them in the same class as hairbands like KISS, Black Sabbath, etc.

[Zuni]

17. excuse me, missy---Sabbath was never a hair band

Black Sabbath's first 4 or 5 albums with Ozzy (NOT after Ozzy) with the Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward lineup is some seriously awesome shit! I kid you not. Those guys might sound like metal, but they can jam harder than Cream.

[Zuni]

10. No, Metal died the day Sabbath replaced Ozzy with Dio

[Beware the Beast Man]

13. To give credit- "Heaven and Hell" was a great disc.

Probably the only non-Ozzy Sabbath album worth listening to.

[johnnie]

14. I agree with that

I remember when I heard it was coming out, and I was ready to trash it. I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would. Although Ozzy still put out a better album.

[NewJeffCT]

22. nah, Metallica wasn't even around then

Their first 3 albums are among the best metal albums of all time.

And, I love Ozzy. "Iron Man" is one of my earliest musical memories.

[Zen Democrat]

15. God, you guys -- They ALLLLLL stole from Page.

Whole Lotta Love is blues????? Communication Breakdown and Dazed & Confused are blues / folky artistic stuff?

[Zuni]

20. and Page stole from tons of blues artists

and rock guitarists that came before him. (Clapton, the Kinks, etc)

If you listen to Zeps early albums you will be amazed how much shit they rip from old blues guys---"squeeze my lemon" from Robert Johnson, "The Hunter" from Albert King, "Killing Floor" from Howlin' Wolf etc, etc.

[-..__...]

18. Metal died the day "Jethro Tull" won "Best Hard Rock/Metal Album" ...

at the Grammys (1988).

[DS1]

19. I would have said the day Poison recorded their first ever note

:puke:

[kick-ass-bob]

21. DING DING DING!

We have a winner.

Metal rocks-

Poison=posers.
(how's that for an 80's term?

[Texasgal]

23. Oh no... the day that metal died is when these clowns came

on the scene!

[RandomKoolzip]

24. Metal never died; this man is a fool.

The birth of Metal occurred in 1970 with the release of Deep Purple's "In Rock" and Sabbath's first LP. It has been mutating, recombining, masticating, matriculating, boinging, haranguing, kangarooing, boomeranging, pustulencing, malaproping, and fooferawing ever since.

It just sounds a lot different now and has jettisoned most of it's blues influences (except in some stoner rock sub-genre). It never died.

Consult any of Martin Poppoff's books for some highfalutin' elucidatin' which I cannot ape nor muster.