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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:10 PM
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If you SAW a celebrity (or anyone) molesting a child
WHY on earth would you wait YEARS to say anything to the authorities???

I know that people were paid off by Jackson...but GeezLouise, how pathetic if money is THAT importnat to a person, that they would remain silent, KNOWING that other children would suffer in the meantime..

There.. Got it off my chest...

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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:12 PM
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1. seriously. take the money, don't sign any documentation, THEN tell
the authorities.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:13 PM
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5. you would be profiting from a crime
not very moral or ethical
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:15 PM
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6. but profitable nonetheless
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_TJ_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:12 PM
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2. Well said
If you are aware of a child being molested and you say nothing you
should be prosecuted yourself IMO.

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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:13 PM
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3. I agree..
thats just sick to begin with, and not to help the child being molested is even worse. How would they sleep at night?
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_TJ_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:16 PM
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9. Hey that's a beautiful cat!
And welcome to DU :hi:

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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:17 PM
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11. Thanks!! :)
:hi:
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:18 PM
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12. most states now have 'mandatory reporter' laws..
....teachers, for example, are REQUIRED to report cases in which they suspect physical or sexual abuse. If evidence comes out later that the teacher knew or should have known, that teacher could lose their license and in some cases face criminal charges.
that's how it is in Mn. anyway. the upshot is that nobody second-guesses what they saw --- all the teachers lean toward reporting. if there's no substance to it, no harm done.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:13 PM
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4. Sadly, money IS that important
that's why people with $$$ get away with just about anything.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 03:18 PM
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19. Could the police charge them with a crime for NOT telling?
:(
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:16 PM
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7. and they're being subpoena'd so that means
that they're technically not doing it willingly, which in an odd way makes them accomplices.

If it turns out that he is guilty, the real monsters would be the parents who knew better to begin with. Didn't they find it odd that only male children were hanging out? Duh?

There's no covering for their basic dishonesty/opportunism in this mess, and yet we're supposed to think of them as "victims" and not as pimps for their children.
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Abelman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:16 PM
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8. If I SAW them
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 12:17 PM by Abelman
Like, they are doing it in front of me...

Well, I'd probably be the one going to jail with my temper. Assault is a pretty serious issue, and I'd kick them in the face.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:17 PM
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10. Many people are indeed that selfish.
Sickening, isn't it?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:21 PM
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13. Forget money or celebrity
It happens every single day. People just have a innate tendency to just look the other way. it's really sad.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:22 PM
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14. Trauma has effects
Often disclosure is not voluntary. It may come through an unintentional slip of the child. She/he may tell a playmate, a day care provider, a Sunday or Sabbath school teacher, or other teacher or caretaker without intending to. Or disclosure may come by observation. There are many indicators of possible sexual assault. The presence of a number of these could cause suspicion.

There are cases where the disclosure is voluntary. The small child may be so traumatized, or in such confusion that she/he must get it out. The child may do this in stages, or indirectly by making it sound like the molestation is happening to someone else. Or she/he may just drop a word or two about it in the middle of a completely unrelated conversation. It is very important to hear these words and, without any emotional reaction (a very difficult assignment), to draw the child out further. If there is strong reaction on the part of the adult listener, the child's fear may cause her/him to close down.

When a child molestation victim reaches adolescence, she/he may, because of the dynamics of puberty, teenage relationships, and other adolescent issues, be so distraught by the ongoing molestation that she/he will voluntarily disclose. Disclosure will often be to the non-offending parent or to a trusted member of the family, or, in some cases it may even be to the authorities.

Whether the disclosure is voluntary or involuntary, there will be immediate reactions (by the offender) ranging from denial and hostility to a desire to protect and obtain help. The first line of defense for the offender is, of course, denial. This can be very strong and convincing. There is a lot at stake. There are severe consequences to admission (but, it should be added, more severe if not admitted and later found to be true by the courts). There is the possibility of publicity, loss of reputation, criminal charges, financial difficulties and marital and family breakdown. These give strong motivation for the offender to lie.

http://www.therapistfinder.net/Child-Abuse/Sexual-Abuse.html
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:27 PM
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15. I wouldn't wait seconds. In fact, I might wind up in prison.
If I SAW it? Fuck. I would kill the bastard with my bare hands.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:29 PM
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16. stats
http://www.rasac.org/education/statistics.html#02

Nearly 50% of all rape victims are under the age of 18.
Source: Lawrence Greenfeld, Bureau of Justice Statistics “Sex offenses and offenders” February 2, 1997

1 in 4 girls will be sexually abused by age 18.
Source: Russel, 1983; Finkelhor, 1978; DeFrancis, 1969

1 in 6 boys will be sexually abused by age 18.
Source: Nielson, 1983; Sgroi, 1978

So looking at these statistics .. I'ts not hard to fathom Jackson very well could be a pedo.I myself,think he is one.
Also pedos do not rehabilitate.
I don't like the state controlling life or death,but there has to be found a permanent way to confine or eliminate pedophiles and keep them from all kids forever..I'd just kill them myself.I hate pedophiles,a pedophile ruined my life for his "fun"..
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_TJ_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:41 PM
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17. What the fuck?!
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 12:47 PM by _TJ_
Surely there can't be that many molesters in the world!

Sometimes I fucking DESPAIR for the human race. :cry:

Personally, I'd lock 'em away until a cure is found or they rot.

Edit: More Stats

"Convicted child molesters who abused girls had an average of
52 victims each. Men who molested boys had an astonishing average
of 150 victims. Source: In a study funded by the National
Institute of Mental Health Dr. Gene G. Abel, Emory University

The typical child sex offender molests an average of 117
children, most of whom do not report the offense."

These people SERIOUSLY need to be found as early as possible and
put in jail FOREVER!

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:52 PM
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18. I could SCREAM when I hear someone say "It's their "first" arrest
all that means is that MANY kids were abused before they finally got CAUGHT, and because it's their "first", they may get a lighter sentence which will only make them BOLDER and eventually some kid might DIE..:grr:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 03:23 PM
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20. If I "saw" it happening? I'd need bail money
I would intervene...forcibly..and call the police.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:06 PM
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21. When I try to put myself in the shoes of another
I find I must honestly say, I don't KNOW what I would do. I heard the sobs of mothers who KNEW they could do NOTHING. If I actually SAW IT firsthand... I still dunno. Positioning is everything...

All I KNOW is the cries I heard came not from liars or opportunists...
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:07 PM
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22. It kinda makes me question the whole story
Ten years this guy waited?????
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:22 PM
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23. It's blood money!
Don't take it. Kick the persons ass, or call the police immediately.
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