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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:56 PM
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Who pronounces button "bu'on"?
Apparently this is the Latest Cool Thing, dropping consonants in the middle of a word.
Why?
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:56 PM
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1. Uh......... uh.............. wow.
:wow:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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2. The british?
Just a guess.

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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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3. Because Some People Are Mo'ons and I'iots
:-)
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM
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12. Wouldn't that be Mo'ans?
:evilgrin:
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:12 PM
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20. Only When Referring to This Guy
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:08 PM
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16. Agreed.
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curlyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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4. there's really no "o"
more of a "bu...nnnnn" kind of thing.

Also applies to "mi...nnnn".

"ki....nnnn".
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:58 PM
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6. And put-nnnn, and bring-nnn, and birth-nnn
:)
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:58 PM
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5. People I know do this, and it makes me crazy.
They sound like three-year-olds who never grew up.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:44 PM
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24. That's exactly it
Sorry to be the language police, but this sounds juvenile.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:56 PM
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30. The Tiny Obnoxious Olsen twins, when they were on Full House
had a similar speech impediment thingy going on.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:59 PM
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7. Cockneys
people trying to sound like the Clash.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:02 PM
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10. What? Who in the Clash was cockney?
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 PM
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13. people often mistake a souf london accent for
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:07 PM by miss_kitty
Cockney. but there's a lot more swearin' in souf london.

On Edit :hi:
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:10 PM
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18. Hi sweetums. Thanks for coming to my rescue!
I just spent the past ten minutes trying to confirm that Brixton and the East End were two separate areas. And we won't even go into Joe's background! :D

:hi: How ya been?
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:19 PM
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22. sick :(
other than that, Okay!

Americans as a group have a hard time with accents. I cringe whenever an Aussie has to tell someone who just asked what part of England are they from answers 'Canberra' 'Brisbane' or whatever. Or a Kiwi has to say-'I'm not Australian.' I used to be really good at some English accents-I can tell Liverpool from Manchester and The Souf from the Eastend-but that's just me. I find most people class all non-posh English accents as Cockney, because it's the best known name
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:58 PM
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31. Well, to be fair
It's hardly "local" to most of us. Can most Brits tell a Georgian accent from a Virginian? Or a Bronx from a Brooklyn?
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:36 AM
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34. maybe not
but I wager a lot of them could tell the difference between Bronx and Georgian accents-and Canadian and American. Which is like the difference between say, Liverpool or Mancunian and any number of London accents, and between Australia and New Zealand. To most Americans, if it's not RP or posh, it's Cockney!

but we isolate ourselves from non-Amurican accents. Remember 'Mad Max?' Mel Gibson's voice was dubbed in that, because his accent was too Aussie. Why does the US buy British TV series to make pale imitations of the originals? A lot of it has to do with accent, I'm sure.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:28 PM
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23. ps
Brixton is an 'SW' postal code, Eastend is 'EC' or 'E'. world of difference
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:00 PM
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8. Latest cool thing? Crap! To me it's "Projects-talk".
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:02 PM by cyberpj
"Oh no he di'nt!"

or

"I was gonna go but I coul'nt get away from my pimp-Daddy"

etc...

and another step in the murder of proper English.



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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:01 PM
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9. That pronunciation,
if I'm reading your phonetic transcription correctly, is typical of Cockney speech, and that particular sound in the middle of the word is called a glottal stop.

I suppose it's been picked up from somewhere, although I haven't personally noticed an increase in that pronunciation, but I probably hang out with the wrong people.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:03 PM
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11. I know there's a linguistic word for that...elision?
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM by DemItAllAnyway
That's probably not it, but it's an annoying thing that kids around me did when I was growing up. They also said "pixture" and "chiminey" and it was NOT a sign of good speech. Kinda low-class, in fact.

What Sheila said! Glottal stop. "Cah-in" for cotton, too, I remember.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:12 PM
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19. elision is the omission of something
1. Omission of a final or initial sound in pronunciation.
2. Omission of an unstressed vowel or syllable, as in scanning a verse.
2. The act or an instance of omitting something.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elision&r=2

don't forget the ever-present 'mis chee vee ous' for 'mischievous' It's just 'mis chiv us'
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:32 PM
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36. I have been corrected for pronouncing that last correctly.
Also, for omitting the central /r/ in wash.

It's lovely coming from a long line of under-educated, content in their ignorance and convinced of their superiority for it, idiots.

Some, is regional; the area of the midwest my family comes from is very much in a direct descent from Northumbrian miners, Irish Famine refugees, and Scottish lowland farmers. What a mish-mash of mush-mouth accent they created! Unfortunately, they preserved the worst parts of their dialectical disaster and discarded the best. (Hm. I'm on an alliterative kick today.)

But most, I fear, is that self-congratulatory attitude that comes from not being one of them "intelleckshuls." Even the educated in my family - save me - were educated in practical things, like engineering or agronomy.

Shall I end this bit of rant?

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wendy__ Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:19 PM
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27. Glottal Stop
Here in RI, the old timers still do it. We're rapidly losing our distinct accent, however. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:07 PM
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14. Reminds me of the inspiration for a Heywood Banks tune.
HE claims he overheard several teenage girls talking about going to a movie or some such. when asked if Annie was going, her friend piped up with ,"Me 'n Annie gonna ax her momma."

Hence the Heywood axe murdering teen song "Mean Annie Gonna Axe her Momma".
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:07 PM
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15. And meh'n (mitten) n/t
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:09 PM
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17. Buh'en
Bu'on makes me thing of boo-on.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:47 PM
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25. Sorry about the spelling
It's hard to figure out how to spell a word that's deliberately mispronounced.
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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:17 PM
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21. Linguistic variation ranges widely for this consonant placement
"t" and "d" placed between two vowels is pronounced quite differently by accent. In "Posh" British it is pronounced how it is spelled. It is Cockney British where you see it replaced by the glottal stop of which your post is an example. In most Canadian and American accents, the sound is replaced by why is called an "alveolar flap" in linguistics terms. Basically it means that your tongue just kind of flaps from one vowel to the next. Think of the word "butter". It is similar to the single r sound in Spanish.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:54 PM
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26. I think I need to be more specific, because this isn't Cockney.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:56 PM by EstimatedProphet
As an example, I had training with a girl in her early 20's who was from Indiana, and that's how she would talk about assigning webpage "buh'ens". Also I've run into a few early 20's that the Prophetess teaches, and they're all talking this way..."buh'ens", "kih'ens", etc. Earlier today the Nelly song came on the radio: "It's geh'in' ho' in here"...
I may be a curmudgeon, but hearing people talk like this drives me up a wall.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:27 PM
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32. In UK used to be called "mockney...
i.e. some-one speaking with a sort of cockney accent even if they're not from that area.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:28 PM
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28. I do
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 05:32 PM by Ellen Forradalom
And I will have all of you know that I am not an idiot. Frankly, I'm a little hurt.

I think it may be part of the Chicago accent, though I've never analyzed it.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:34 PM
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29. No offense meant, because the Chicago accent isn't what I mean
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 06:37 PM by EstimatedProphet
I know what you mean about Chicago accents, and that's not what I'm talking about. Post #8 is what I'm talking about.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:03 PM
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33. Okay
I felt a little stung by comments earlier. I'm a lifelong Chicagoan, and I don't live so far from projects myself. Perhaps a bit of that speech has rubbed off on me, despite my uber-WASP background (my father had a Boston accent, one uncle has a mid-Atlantic British/American hybrid accent and my other uncles spoke with English accents, being British subjects.)

People are parrots and will pick up sounds that surround them, whether in the neighborhood or from TV. It's a natural process of linguistic change and doesn't mean they are stupid.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:38 AM
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35. I guess I do this. I'm so sorry, but I just now noticed.
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