Masturbation and The Culture of Life

[Yavin4]

I don't want this to be a sex thread.

However, I just have a philosophical question. When I masturbate, am I violating the "Culture of Life" because I'm destroying sperm which can give life? When you don't allow sperm to fertilize an egg, aren't you disrupting the life process? Are you not indeed comitting murder?

In the "Culture of Life", masturbation equals death?

[crispini]

1. Every sperm is sacred!

Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate!

(Sing it with me!)

[mark414]

2. i've actually heard people say yes, you are destroying life

part of why catholics aren't "allowed" to use birth control

:scared:

[Seabiscuit]

26. Aren't 99.99999999% of sperm suicidal? And isn't suicide a "sin"?

Face it, folks, even when conception is intended and attempted, all but one or two sperm out of millions race to their death.

How can sperm be both sacred and sinful at the same time????

Guess the Vatican never thought of it this way.

[aeolian]

31. Those are the "bad" sperm,

and they all go to sperm hell (it's a very big place)

The good sperm goes to sperm heaven (the egg)

[Seabiscuit]

35. Sperm hell must be a very gooey place.

So why do they keep saying hell is all "fire and brimstone"?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. If you follow the (lack of) logic of the pro-life movement,

you are killing the potential for life! So you're a murderer!!!!!

[yvr girl]

4. So it must be ok for women

We don't waste any eggs.

[plcdude]

10. ah but you do

every month you do not allow your egg to be fertilized is the destruction of potential life. Shame on you.

[yvr girl]

28. But I'm not married, so I'm not allowed to have sex

[plcdude]

32. aye that's the rub

pun intended.

[notadmblnd]

13. I'm not quite sure that your comment is sarcasim

But that's what the entire menstrual cycle is all about. Disposing of the egg(s) that haven't been fertilized by sperm. Lots of them are wasted.

[yvr girl]

27. We don't waste any through masturbation

is what I meant.

[plcdude]

29. MastUrbation

and yes you are correct.

[sui generis]

5. potentially fatal too

http://www.herballove.com/library/resource/overmas/fatal.asp

:evilgrin:

[plcdude]

11. incredible

I should be bald and dead by now.

[mark414]

14. don't forget those hairy palms you're hiding

DU knows your dirty secret!

[plcdude]

19. I thought it

said that causes hair not to grow. You can't have it both ways.

[LynzM]

37. It causes the hair to migrate...

From your head, down through your neck and arms, onto your palms, don't you know? ;)

[name not needed]

47. Takes a real man to keep the hair worn off...

:P

[Atlas Mugged]

6. I was wondering where I could put this tidbit

"The Jesus tattoo on my hand keeps me
from masturbating." - Head, from Korn

[coloradodem2005]

8. Damn.

That's insane.

[no name no slogan]

7. Believe it or not, some RW fundies DO believe this...

I've heard a few of them speak out against it. Some of these cranks really do believe that masturbation == murder (at least for us fellas).

Just when you think they can't get any wackier, they do just that.

Is masturbation a sin?

[Yavin4]

9. Man, I've Killed A Whole Lot of Life In My Lifetime

Hitler, Stalin, Mao aint got nothing on me.

[skypilot]

12. I "killed" in my sleep a couple times...

...when I was young. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "bad dreams".

[bobbieinok]

15. in college in the late 50s in Houston, a Catholic friend told us that

the Newman club priest told them that any intercourse without the possibility of creating a child was "mutual masturbation"......

[plcdude]

21. that is the logical conclusion

if one is consistent. Thou shall not commit mutual masturbation should be added to the list.

[Taverner]

42. Strangely enough, at the Neuman center, there was a Father who preached

Masturbation...pretty sure the Holy See wasn't down with that.

But his whole crux was pro-abstinence, and that the best way to get that was masturbation.

[Saboburns]

16. Who gives a shit.

It frickin feels good, mate.

Think I'll catch on up mine today.

[jswordy]

17. NO...MILLIONS OF 'EM are gonna DIE no matter where they end up!

"Really don't mind if you sit this one out.

My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
Your sperm's in the gutter -- your love's in the sink."

[MemphisTiger]

18. If this is serious, NO masturbation is not culture of death

some may argue that it's fornication of the body, but the sperm hasn't created life yet therefore there is no life to end. Some churches are serious about this subject, but most don't think you are comitting murder.

[progressoid]

20. Murderer!!

Heaven is chock full of squiggly souls that you masterbaters have washed down the drain.

[aeolian]

22. Let's not forget menstruation!

A potential zygote, flushed away.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. It's them uppity wimmin, refusin' to get preggies like Jeebus told them to

Feminazis. Next they'll want to wear shoes.

[Debi]

23. Yes, now stop that and get back to work. n/t

[plcdude]

24. just a minute

now I will if you will

[chickenscratching]

25. bill hicks said it wisely

dammit i can't find the quote, but (in case you are not aware of him) he was an amazing fellow. he made a comment about the beauty of life and that he shoots loads of it away into his underwear while sleeping.
ok, that didn't come out quite like i wanted to .
but really, he's a funny guy check out this site with some quotes from his shows.
too bad he's dead now, he'd be an amazing voice today.

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id1025/pg1/

"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to look at a fucking cross? It's kinda like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on."

-bill hicks on christianity

[_TJ_]

36. I've tossed universes in my underpants while sleeping...

Entire nations have crusted and flaked in the hair around
my navel :) :) :)

--Bill Hicks

[chickenscratching]

48. thank you!

i was having a hard time finding a transcript.
i can't believe the lack of people that know about bill hicks.
he had some powerful things to say. glad to see you're a fan!

:hi:
-c.

SUCKER OF SATANS COCK (nothing better than hicks' satan noises)

[noonwitch]

30. Genesis 38:8-10

And Judah said unto Onan, Go into thy brother's wife and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he give his seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also.



The Lord previously slew Onan's older brother Er in verse 7 for being wicked.

[plcdude]

33. okay

Thou shalt not commit coitus interruptus is another one we should add to the list.

[liontamer]

34. it wasn't the withdrawel that was the sin

it was not wanting his brother to have an heir so he could keep his property. Being a cheap selfish bastard is the sin here.

[Yavin4]

38. Wait a minute

If he's having sex with his brother's wife, isn't he violating one of the 10 commandments?

[liontamer]

49. no

his brother was dead. Jewish law stated that if a man dies without heirs, his brothers are responsible for making sure that his wife gets pregnant, and then to raise the child as the son of dead man (and pass on inheritances accordingly)

[Hand]

39. Not exactly...

It just means you're going to hell.

:evilgrin:

See ya there (blush)!
:spank:

[animuscitizen]

40. Only for men

I guess that in the "Culture of Life", women would be stripped of most sexual freedoms, except the right to masturbate. But you men are out of luck with the wasting the sperm issue.

[Bouncy Ball]

41. Well, even when you impregnate a woman

TONS of those suckers die.

I mean ALL your boys can't get an egg. That's what makes the egg truly special! Only the GREATEST, FASTEST motherfucker can get there.

I didn't answer your question, though did I?

I don't know. I just know that, according to that logic, women can masturbate with no ethical problems at all! It doesn't cause an egg to shoot out!

[matcom]

43. yes

and besides, you'll go blind :P

[jswordy]

44. Men, medical news: To avoid prostate enlargement & cancer, use it!

Masturbation is one way to do so. I have actually been in a medical conference where health professionals have said this.

That is all.

[DinahMoeHum]

45. As the late great Frank Zappa once said. . .

"Masturbation is not illegal. If it's not illegal to do it, why should it be illegal to sing about it?"

and

"There's not enough prison space to hold all the children who do it."


:evilgrin:

[Blue-Jay]

46. 2nd Biggest Lie Ever: "I never masturbate."

1st Biggest Lie Ever: "I used to, but I quit."