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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:30 PM
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Poll question: Which historical figure has received the most undeserved bad rap?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:31 PM
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1. Of those, probably George III
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:32 PM
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2. Other: Harpo Marx.
He was actually quite talkative.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:35 PM
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3. MacBeth?
:shrug:
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:36 PM
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4. Dr. Mudd
the guy who treated John Wilkes Boothe's injury. He didn't know what he had done at the time. Hence the phrase, "Your name is Mudd."
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:38 PM
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5. I did not know that.
Hmmm... you learn something new everyday.
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:45 PM
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7. Saw it on the history channel
I think Dr. Mudd actually went to prison.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:47 PM
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9. Yes, he was convicted along with the Lincoln conspirators.
Spent about five years in a federal prison at Dry Tortugas, but was released early because of his treatment of the yellow fever epidemic at the prison.

That's the way I recall it, anyway. Dennis Weaver starred in a rather good TV movie about it back in the early 80s.
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:49 PM
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10. Yeah, I saw that. n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:45 PM
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6. Eugene V. Debbs
He went to prison after a federal conviction. But he rallied against the first World War and he fought vigorously for workers rights. He was a Socialist and an American hero.
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:46 PM
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8. Looks like we posted at the same time. n/t
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:56 PM
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12. I was going to say the Rosenbergs, but I think Debbs is a better call.
Time has been somewhat kind to the memory of the Rosenbergs, but Debbs was never socially exonerated.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:54 PM
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11. Dizzy Gillespie
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:58 PM
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13. Lucretia Borgia
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:59 PM
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14. Very true.
Now, Liz Bathory on the other hand...
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:36 PM
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20. Yes. She was falsely accused and doesn't deserve the infamy.
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CubsFan1982 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:05 PM
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15. George III
Really wasn't all that bad, when you consider the two lousy Germans that came before and the two clowns that came after.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:06 PM
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16. Tamerlane got a real bad rap.
Really,really really bad.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:07 PM
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17. Other: Neville Chamberlain.
As they say, hindsight is 20/20.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:13 PM
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18. Benedict Arnold?
Of course, traitor as he was, somebody still managed to create a consumable food with his name on it...
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:58 PM
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28. Yes Benedict Arnold!
Traitor? Yes! Would we have a country today without him? No!

In 1776, the British were planning to invade the colonies down Lake Champlain, and thereby cut the colonies in half. Arnold was put in charge of the defense. He built a tiny fleet out of scratch, and managed to delay the British, until winter.

Without him at Saratoga, we would not have won, because General Horatio Gates was an idiot. Then we wouldn't have gotten the French in the war on our side.

Benedict Arnold was the best general America had in those times. Militia would fight longer and harder for him than for any other commander (and the militia were basically an undisciplined mob)

He switched sides because the Americans weren't giving him any respect, and also for the love of the tory woman he had fallen for.

What he did before the switch though, vastly outweighs the damage he did afterward.

Also, he was punished. When he went back to England, he was a second class citizen until his death, and he did repent of his betrayal.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:30 PM
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19. Brutus. n/t
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 08:32 PM by Lone_Wolf_Moderate
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:37 PM
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21. Malcolm X
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:38 PM
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22. Pol Pot
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:39 PM
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23. Waaaa? Are you kidding me? Do tell why you think he got a bad rap!
We really aren't that far left here, ya know.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:48 PM
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25. Sweet Jesus. Tell me something, my Stalinist friend.
Do you smoke crack all the time, or just on weekends? History records Pol Pot as a butcher and a tyrannical despot. I'd say history hot it right.

Unless of course, you're just being silly?
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 09:00 PM
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29. Do you trust
the ones that write 'history' to tell the truth?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 09:21 PM
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30. On this one, yes.
I think they hit the nail on the head. He was a monster.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 04:39 AM
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34. So is there some conspiracy against Pol Pot? Was he just misunderstood?
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 04:43 AM by Lone_Wolf_Moderate
Did all his victims just disappear? Certain things are established fact, pal. Your boy Pol Pot was a tyrant.

Again, this response assumes you're being serious. This is the Lounge after all.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:48 PM
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26. Jeez-O-Pete! That's Horrible.
Why not just go all out and say Hitler?
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Frogtutor Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:41 PM
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24. Benedict Arnold n/t
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:51 PM
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27. Julius Caesar
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 09:23 PM
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31. McClellan or Longstreet
Depending on the which side of this line you lived on:

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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 10:02 PM
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32. Bob Saget.
His stand-up material was actually funny before he started Full House.
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 10:17 PM
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33. President Johnson, Vivian Eliot.
He didn't just carry on the work of President Kennedy, he got it done. Vivian Eliot was misdiagnosed, and misused, and left to rot in an asylum, and blamed for her husband's lack of output.
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:21 AM
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35. Marie Antoinette
The birth of the smear campaign.
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:28 AM
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36. I voted for Lee
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 06:29 AM by TyeDye75
but Id also like to add Henry VIII... he is remembered for the gluttony the obesity and the wife chopping... but in his youth he was a very charismatic and effective leader.

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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:30 AM
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37. Other...
...Lyndon Baines Johnson. eom.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:55 AM
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38. Warren G. Harding
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 06:55 AM by terrya
Not a bad man as President. Just too trusting with some members of his cabinet.
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