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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:26 PM
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I'm listening to Wagner's "Das Rheingold". Ask me anything.
Sir Georg Solti conducting the Vienna Philharmonic.

Incredible.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:33 PM
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1. Thinking of going to war with, oh I don't know Iran?
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:36 PM
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2. No. Just listening to a great opera written by a rather unpleasant
individual.

Shivering with delighted goosebumps as Woglinde sings: "Nur werder minne macht entsacht......". Beautiful, dark tragic theme.
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:37 PM
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3. Have you heard Anna Russell's explanation
of the RING cycle. LOL funny! Try to find it if you can...
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:38 PM
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4. Yeah, years ago. Hilarious.
"...as the curtain comes up, we see the Rhinemaidens swimming and singing in the river......IN it." :-)
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:40 PM
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6. My favorite line is when she's deep into
explanation--almost to the end even, maybe--and she says "I'm not making this up, you know!" Love it love it love it.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:48 PM
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8. "And Siegfried finally loves a woman...
he's not related to."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:39 PM
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5. Is the choice of Wagner political?
Wagner was shall we say a rightwing authoratarian
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:42 PM
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7. No kidding. He was a racist bigot, womanizer, and bad borrower.
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 05:43 PM by Aristus
Calm down, people. I just like his music. It isn't opera for anti-Semites anymore than Mozart's is music for alcoholics, or Van Gogh is oil painting for suicidals.


edit: BTW, Wagner was a passionate supporter of the left-wing revolutions of 1848. He only became a devout monarchist when Ludwig II started paying the bills.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:04 AM
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26. and since when did "womanizing" become a negative trait?
I mean, even the Pope must look.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:49 PM
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9. Gotten to Sigfried's Funeral Musicue yet?
That one always gets me.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:54 PM
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10. That's from "Twilight Of The Gods."
About fourteen hours into the future. I don't have it on CD, though. I do have orchestral cuts on CD, though. Including "Forest Murmers", a piece so beautiful it just makes you ache inside.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:27 PM
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15. My bad. I thought you were listening to the entire cycle.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:46 PM
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19. I don't normally have fifteen or sixteen hours at a stretch to
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 07:03 PM by Aristus
listen to it. Anyway, the second act of "Walkure" is soooo boring, I've seen sophisticated opera goers gnaw their own legs off and crawl out of the Opera House.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:57 PM
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11. Is he related to DUer ewagner?
'cuz I like that guy, one of my favorite cheeseheads
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:00 PM
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12. I should know?
:shrug: Why don't you PM him and ask?
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:23 PM
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13. Okay, I'm listening to the descent into Nibelheim now.
Those anvils! All those anvils! So incredibly cool!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:25 PM
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14. Yes, it is incredible. I bought the set when it first came out. I have
since purchased the CD version. I don't think Solti's Ring Cycle will ever be topped. At the very least, it will remain the standard against which other recordings are judged.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:43 PM
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18. That's a fact. I've got one other "Complete Ring Cycle".
It's a very poor recording of the 1951 Bayreuth cycle. I listened to it once, gritting my teeth the whole time. It's like it was recorded with a bamboo stylus on a cardboard toilet paper roll.

Ever hear that old BBC (I think) recording of an English translation of "Rheingold"? Man, was that AWFUL!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:29 PM
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16. How many CDs is that?
It's like three days long, I think.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:36 PM
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17. No. Close, though. "Rheingold" is three CD's long.
I've been sitting here for two-and-a-half hours, and we're still in the middle of Scene III.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:57 PM
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20. You're thinking of the whole Ring Cycle.
Das Rheingold is 3 CDs.
Siegrried is 4 Cds.
Die Walkure is 4 Cds.
Gotterdammerung is 4 CDs.

That's 15 CDs in all. When the complete Ring Cycle is performed, it takes 4 evenings.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:00 PM
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21. Holy cow, must be tough on the musicians
But probably a lot of fun, too.

Does the quality of the composing sag/remain consistent over the course of the whole thing?
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:44 PM
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24. Tough on the conductor too.
George Solti has said of conducting "Rheingold", since it is one long unbroken act, 'If the task is to be described in one word, the one word is "pacing".'
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:05 PM
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22. Have I told you lately that I love you?
:hi:

:D
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:42 PM
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23. No, but thank you, Cat.
I simply adore you! :loveya:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:00 AM
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25. Kick
C'mon, people. I'm still interested in discussing.

:kick:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:10 AM
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27. So, have Fafnir and the giants returned with their hostage yet? (n/t)
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:39 AM
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28. not the bearing company, presumably
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