Public Service Announcement: I'm sick of all the Abortion threads in GD

[Kathy in Cambridge]

Can everyone just move on? It's really tiresome. And it's depressing to see that some so-called progressives are still in the Dark Ages when it comes to women's rights and biology.

Thank you for letting me vent. I feel better now.

[DS1]

1. Can I add a rider to that?

Same goes for the lounge. :-)

[Kathy in Cambridge]

5. Did Rove send out a directive today?

Let's see what kind of shitstorm we can stir up at DU...abortion is the sujet du jour.

Tiresome....

[RetroLounge]

8. Well those lounge threads were a riot

right up until they all got locked...

:D

RL

[blondeatlast]

14. Indeed. I kinda wished Kathy had been here yesterday.

I'm soooo ashamed of myself, though...

[Ravenseye]

2. I'm sick of bad television

and yet I still watch it.

My point?

Not really sure, aside from the fact that most television sucks, but I sit there anyway like a zombie.

[arwalden]

3. They Aren't Progressives...

... but you knew that already. :hi:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

4. Yes...I can smell them a mile away!

:hi:

[jdots]

6. tune them out or better yet..........

report them as dupe threads because they are dupe threads over and over and over and over......

[Kathy in Cambridge]

7. Yes, it's like a broken record

:boring:

[donheld]

9. I'm thankful to Gannon

He's kinda pushed the Abortion threads out.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

10. The Gannon threads are at least funny

[Zuni]

18. what are the gannon threads?

[catzies]

11. Hell, I got two new ignores out of it and one's already tombstoned

Like you, I would LOVE to stop talking about it.

It's legal, leave it the fuck alone and do something like stopping war, and feeding, healing and educating people.

Those sick fuckers. They know we can't stop fighting them on this issue. If we stop, they win.

So these endless attempts to distract us and drain our engergy by us having to go over and over and over and over it every time they come up with a new argument to add to the fray.

Sick to fucking death of it, I tell ya.

[stanwyck]

12. Must be a new Reichwing tactic

flood the boards with abortion threads. Maybe it's a celebration of Rove's promotion. "Gannonize" DU with abortion threads. If only these folks would put this energy toward solving problems...like child abuse, domestic abuse, lack of healthcare for children. More zip, less lip.

[greatauntoftriplets]

13. What is "General Discussion"?

:shrug:

I have sought asylum in the Lounge, mostly since the election. Not to mention the primaries. The Irish Affairs Group is friendly than this "GD" thing...which I think actually is the God Damn Forum.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Here

[mike_c]

17. that's an awesome graphic....

eom

[JohnnyCougar]

16. I just wonder why so many people on here are so obtuse.

Because I suggest that we keep abortion legal, yet change our rhetoric to that of prevention, I get 100,000 people on here calling me a freeper, a Rove plant, etc....

I think it's time for people to lose the vitriol about this issue. I really don't understand why everyone is so defensive about this one issue. No one is going to reverse Roe vs. Wade, as it would be an amazingly unpopular decision. Why do people keep acting like it is going to be taken away?

All I am saying is that if we change our rhetoric to that of prevention, many more people would find our party's position tolerable. It doesn't matter what position we have if we can't win power in any branch of government.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. I don't think you should be called names

but that wasn't all you said and in your opening post in your thread, you made a number of assumptions about women.

Since abortion concerns what a woman does with HER body and that RIGHT over HER body..I think a much more empowering position MEN could take is to see what they can do with other MEN that would help obviate the need for abortions, i.e. vasectomies, less hunting and gathering and MORE responsible behavior on their own parts....but that's just me.

[JohnnyCougar]

21. I dunno what assumptions you are talking about, but

the fact that getting an abortion has mental side effects for women has been scientifically documented numerous times. Of course, not all women are affected the same way, but in general, there is an effect.

On the other hand, I wish more men would be more responsible when they have sex and when it comes to raising a child. Any child I create I would see as my responsibility, too, of course. I don't want to have to leave the woman to cope with something I am responsible for, whether that means raising the child or aborting the fetus. I have very close realtives that have gone through the process on both sides, and after hearing how they felt, I have decided I don't want to take a chance of putting women through that. I would feel guilty myself for having to abort my child. It's not just a women's issue. I have a right to be concerned for a fetus that is partially my creation.

[liberalhistorian]

20. Well, I'm sick of Dems

who claim to be Dems but who are now demanding that the party now become "pro-life" (so join the fucking repubs, then!), people who think that they have the right to shove THEIR beliefs down women's throats and make women's personal decisions for them, and I'm ESPECIALLY SICK of MEN who are anti-abortion and who think they have the right to tell women they don't even know what to do. What the fuck would men know, anyway? When THEY can get pregnant and abandoned by their child's father, THEN maybe I'll listen to them.

[JohnnyCougar]

22. This is what I am talking about.

The issue's just black and white to you, and there's no compromise, no in between.

To me, pro-life and pro-choice are not mutually exclusive. You can support a woman's freedom while still trying to reduce the instances of abortion.

[liberalhistorian]

23. I agree totally, I think we'd

all be in favor of reducing abortions while still preserving the freedom of choice. But that's not what these people are about. What's that you say about black and white thinking? That's exactly what those who are anti-abortion are guilty of, and please don't try to tell me otherwise because I've known and seen and heard far too many of them.

I experienced an unplanned pregnancy, and let me tell you, nothing pissed me off more than people who didn't even know me telling what I had to do and sticking their nose into what was the most agonizing and personal decision I had ever had to make. My fiance had thrown me out of the house because he "didn't want to deal with it." Well, hell, I didn't want to deal with it, either, but I was the WOMAN, so I didn't have any goddamn choice. How very generous of you, btw, to feel that men should be made more responsible. I chose not to have an abortion, but I sure as hell resented the interference by "pro-lifers" who thought they had more right to make decisions about my life than I did. And once my son was born-goodbye, they were gone. They couldn't have cared less. They're "pro-birth", actually, and not "pro-life." When I was considering abortion, I was an evil, horrible person who was responsible for the downfall of civilization if I "murdered" my fetus; now that I made the decision NOT to have an abortion and have been a single mother for the past thirteen years, I'm still an evil, horrible person responsible for the downfall of the American family and civilization as we know it. I've seen that over and over and over and over again, ad infinitum. And you have the NERVE to accuse OUR side of being nasty, intolerant, vitriolic and black-and-white? I don't think so.

And why the hell is this issue focused on so much, anyway? Why in the hell can't we care about and take care of all those who are already BORN and in desperate need? And what the hell business is it of yours, anyway, as a man, what a woman does with her decisions? Don't you understand just how much women resent that crap from men? Especially that patronizing tone they adopt, such as Tim Roemer.

[JohnnyCougar]

25. In reference to the vitriol of the choice side...

I made that comment about the syncophants on here that have told me to leave the party, that have told me that I am a freeper, that have told me that they don't want to be in a political party with me....

The other side (Republicans) is quite simply insane about this, and that turns a lot of people off, as well, but that is a given here.

And as far as what business I have with women's decisions, I see any child I create as part of myself, as well. I would want any woman to make the decision that is best from them. If the woman wanted to raise the child, I would absolutely NEVER leave her or my kid. I would just hope that if I did that, an abortion wouldn't be necessary. If it was, I would still support her.

The key in my mind is avoiding the problem in the first place. My view is that if you really don't want to get pregnant, don't take the chance.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

26. That's a wonderful sentiment

but you don't carry the child for nine months. Come back to me when you experience morning sickness, varicose veins, stretch marks, high blood pressure, toximia, preclampsia, and a host of other ailments-some that can kill a woman-and then you have a valid opinion.

I think it's wonderful that you want to raise a child that you fathered.

"My view is that if you really don't want to get pregnant, don't take the chance."

Is that the meme of "personal responsibility" we hear about all the time? Condoms break, you know. Birth control pills fail. Or do you think women should practice abstinence?

[liberalhistorian]

27. "Don't take the chance?"

I'm sorry, but my fiance and I were very careful with birth control and I still ended up pregnant. And there are many, many other couples who could say the same thing, I've known enough of them as well. Yes, people need to be as careful as they can and there are plenty of people who are not responsible. But that doesn't preclude the fact that there are plenty of others, like me, who are/were careful and pregnancy still happened.

My fiance accused me of "sleeping around on him like a tramp" because we always used protection. That's one of the reasons he kicked me out of the house, besides the fact that he just didn't want to deal with it. It didn't matter to him that the doctor told him quite bluntly that protection was no 100% guarantee against pregnancy, not at all.

[Renew Deal]

24. kick

:kick: